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At the beginning of each opponent's upkeep, Skullcage deals 2 damage to that player unless he or she has exactly three or exactly four cards in hand.
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6 days ago
Some card ideas for ya since you have a strong discard theme going on as well. These ideas can also be used as another win con in case opponents remove your critters that poison them.
10 months ago
I agree with Hyperalgialysis. Drop some lands!
Forced Fruition is brutal for your opponents.
Iron Maiden is alright, just happened to come across it today so I thought I'd share. Skullcage is interesting as well, and Dark Suspicions has a similar affect. Sadly these happen at the upkeep which is before the draw step, but they could still do some damage. Mindcrank is a little different but could still fit in well. Gratuitous Violence is perfect for abusing Nekusar's ability.
Nekusar is a very interesting commander, and there are many options as far as his decks go. Best of luck!
10 months ago
Holy smokes, I love the discussion this is generating! Thank you all for your comments!
geekmp3: I like the cheap CMC of Planar Void but I worry about exiling some of my key enchantments or artifacts. Turns out, people really don't like discarding their whole hand and a lot of my permanents become quick targets. I've won a couple games by pulling my stuff back from the graveyard and recasting it.
Phenix: I considered Nirkana Revenant for ramp but she's so expensive to cast that I decided not to. I generally prefer to keep my ramp spells cheaper so I can cast them early game, or later game I can cast them and other things. I'm currently a little on the fence about keeping Caged Sun.
Thanks Kaleo42, I thought it was an amusing concept, too. Turned out to be just as fun to play. The decks I play against are a bit of a mixed bag. It's mostly kitchen table EDH, though my playgroup's experienced a bit of power creep as we strive to outdo one another. Some strong Jhoira suspending, tokens, combos, a number of quality voltron commanders but generally not much cruel control.
NoSoyYucateco, you're giving me good food for thought here:
Yeah, Scythe Specter's discard is conditional, relying on it dealing combat damage but I really like that makes all opponents discard. Its 6 CMC is pretty tough to swallow though - especially if it's killed before it even attacks. I did consider Bloodhusk Ritualist early on when building this deck but cut it, thinking that to make one person discard one card wasn't a great investment. But if I spent the same as Scythe Specter cost, I'd get that person to discard 3 immediately. Hmmm. I do like that the discard happens immediately, and I can scale my mana investment to "right-size" how many cards I want someone to discard. I might switch these two up.
Your Maralen of the Mornsong and Teferi's Puzzle Box combo is pretty cool and would definitely lock down the whole table. I like that Maralen can help me tutor up the puzzle box to complete the combo. But sometimes I want my opponents to draw cards, just so I can make them discard them and take damage with Liliana's Caress, Megrim and Raiders' Wake. Also, the puzzle box is a bit of a dead card to me without Maralen in play. I'll think on it.
I had Innocent Blood in my list for a while but with so few creatures, I was hesitant to run it for fear of having to sacrifice something really good. I figured Chainer's Edict was safer and pretty cheap for .
1 year ago
Concise list of considerations:
The Rack single target is really crappy in EDH
Wheel of Torture Same effect as The Rack except it hits everyone.
Skullcage Hits all opponents who don't have either 3 or 4 cards in hand.
Raiders' Wake Another Caress/Megrim effect, except this one makes your opponent discard if you attack.
Quest for the Nihil Stone Anyone without a hand gets domed for 5 during their upkeep...seems good.
Bloodchief Ascension Self Explanatory card
Mindcrank This is a great card in a discard centric deck.
Get rid of all of these cards Bog Rats, Carrion Rats, Deathmask Nezumi (it's a nombo with everything you're doing), Drainpipe Vermin, Gutter Skulk, Nezumi Cutthroat, Pestilence Rats, Ravenous Rats, Swarm of Rats, and Typhoid Rats.
Relentless Rats Replace all of the cards removed with these. You are not restricted to a single copy, per EDH rules, because Relentless Rats specifically states that card limitation requirements do not apply to it.
Get rid of anything that is single target discard! Especially Raven's Crime, since you don't have enough lands that you can afford to be ditching them for a single discard.
Add more things that hit everybody, such as Necrogen Mists or are renewable.
Specter's Shroud Might be worth looking into.
You need more board wipes. You have one 9 CMC board wipe with only 32 lands in the deck. The Hyper-geometric distribution doesn't give you very good odds of pulling the lands you need in order to keep the board clear. Consider Bontu's Last Reckoning, Yahenni's Expertise, Crux of Fate (which may work to your favor with all the Dargon decks running around), Damnation is a given but it's pricey, Life's Finale, Kindred Dominance, and Necromantic Selection are all decent options.
Liliana of the Dark Realms is a much better Lili for a deck like this because you need ramp and that Ult is ridiculous plus it combos with...
Let's talk about your mana base for a second...
Thirty two lands? Even for a very cavalier spell slinger deck, that is a very low amount to play. I play a Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest deck on 36 and struggle some times to reach a critical mass of mana/spells. Don't fall into the trap of "I'll cut a land for this cheap spell; it'll be fine." Again, math and probability will not be on your side in the late game, not unless you're willing to invest in Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx or Cabal Coffers. An alternative might be to run Crypt of Agadeem but it's really no substitute for those lands.
Lastly, jam a Bojuka Bog or a Scavenger Grounds or both in there for graveyard hate, along with your choice of Strip Mine, Ghost Quarter, and/or Field of Ruin because if you can't have your Crypt or Coffers, why should they?
Hope this helps, good luck!
1 year ago
alright, so I did some more digging - I've been kicking around a similar deck idea for a while. here's some of the stuff you might be interested in:
Pain for everyone:
Citadel of Pain, Copper Tablet, Power Surge (read the errata for this one, it makes more sense, Shadows of the Past, Pyrohemia, Pestilence, Dark Suspicions (or Bulwark, depending. kinda mutually exclusive), Rivalry, Skullcage, Wheel of Torture, Iron Maiden and Circle of Affliction
No creatures for You!
Death Pits of Rath (which couples well with Pyrohemia and Pestilence from earlier), along with Circle of Flame, Heat Stroke, Magmatic Core, Mudslide, Wave of Terror, War's Toll, Storage Matrix, and Noetic Scales.
Punishment and protection
probably some stuff in here you considered already, just figured I'd sift through this stuff and see if anything was to your liking
1 year ago
I've tried to make a discard commander deck before. i wish you luck, its rather hard to do because once they have no hand, then your sorceries that make then discard are no longer beneficial. That said i have some cards that might help you out.
Bodies that help block
Make them hurt for discarding
Make them pay for playing spells
Make them pay for [not] having a cards in hand
I highly suggest adding Blue to refill their hand and end up making them discard more with cards with Windfall effects. A commander I once thought of running for a deck like this was Gwendlyn Di Corci