Bontu's Last Reckoning
Destroy all creatures. Lands you control don't untap during your next untap step.
|Have (3)||metalmagic , CompleteWaste , IcyLightning|
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Bontu's Last Reckoning Discussion
2 weeks ago
Hot takes from a randomer who plays a lot of mill: Meta is pretty fast at the moment with decks like DS, UR aggro and heliod combo. Control is not doing well to keep those decks in check, so Mill has to adapt to become a little more aggressive with cheap spells to deal with them. Luckily, with the printing of the new crab and madenning cacaphony, this has become the natural progression.
So personally, I would consider the following. These are my own opinions based off of playing and seeing which decks are doing well.
- Shelldock Isle is awesome but too slow considering the number of 1 and 2 drops. Most people have stopped playing them. I run one max.
- Darkslick shores is very good, would run at least 2 (you can cut a couple islands or a swamp)
- Ensnaring bridge is sadly too slow. If you cut it you can run Lurrus in the sideboard which is really good when you run out of steam
- Inqui is not that good right now. By that I mean I'd rather be running pushes or drown. When the format becomes slower, I would consider running it, but not now.
- 2x push and 2x drown is not enough. I'd run a combination of at least 6. Which ones depend on your local meta. Generally it's more pushes, but drown has more versatility if you're struggling against combo decks.
- With this mana curve shift, you can go down to 20 - 22 lands.
- Also depending on your local meta, you can move a surgical to the sideboard.
- Sideboard looks quite old - I'm guessing you took it off Sqlut's guide :D a lot has changed since. Generally you need faster answers, like Soul-Guide Lantern , Mystical Dispute , Aether Gust , Bontu's Last Reckoning , Extirpate and of course Lurrus of the Dream-Den !
- Mission briefing is awesome and I love it. A lot of people would argue it's too slow, but I like it.
IMO the toughest part about a mill deck nowadays if finding the right balance of cards. We no longer are looking for cards to supplement our strategy, but finding which cards to cut! As you can tell by my points above, they're all very minor (except maybe the lurrus point). All these cards are powerful and awesome and you have a good deck here. It's just about adapting to the meta. From your deck here, it's going to be about 95% how you play, and 5% the minor adjustments.
Best of luck pal!
1 month ago
Hey Mtg_Mega_Nerds! I like your build! I am no super friends expert, but I have a few suggestions you may like. I don’t see a budget tag so I’m making recommendations regardless of cost.
I would run about 6-8 total fetchlands ( Scalding Tarn , Flooded Strand , Bloodstained Mire ) instead of Fabled Passage. And shocklands over the Temples ( Watery Grave , Steam Vents , Blood Crypt . Adding these cards will greatly increase your speed and consistency. You don’t have to play the shocklands untapped if you want to save life, but at least you have the option. Running these cards will make the Signets basically unnecessary, as you can just fetch the lands you need. Same with Crumbling Necropolis, which comes into play tapped and is too slow for my taste. Another good land is Fiery Islet for card draw.
I agree with TriusMalarky that your mana base does not support Counterspell. Remand would be a better fit. Also 4x Thoughtseize will be a great fit, since it will help remove threats preemptively and scope out your opponent’s hand. You have no other way of dealing with problematic artifacts or enchantments and you are running relatively few one-drops. Angrath’s Rage only covers artifacts. Inquisition of Kozilek is a decent substitute.
I would run 3x Damnation over Ritual of Soot, since the former is strictly better. Languish is ok if your meta has lots of small indestructible creatures. Dismember is a viable alternative and costs less mana. Another alternative is Bontu's Last Reckoning , since you can use loyalty abilities regardless if your mana is tapped.
You may also want to consider 4x Feed the Swarm on your sideboard to combat enchantment decks.
1 month ago
From your current sideboard i would only keep the 3x Feed the Swarm - its a great card for creature AND enchantment matchups.
Seeing that you run Agadeem's Awakening Flip i would surely play some creature based hate cards.
- 2x Blight Beetle - hates out heliod, humans & hardened scales & decent blicker against green fatties like Tarmogoyf , Elder Gargaroth , Tireless Tracker ... etc.
- 2x Yixlid Jailer - good grave hate
- 2x Plague Engineer - against tribal, tokens (and bloodghast)
For the rest 6x slots i would play:
- 2x Ashiok, Dream Render - good against grave decks,tutor decks (tron to a degree, titan, heliod, STORM ...etc.)
- 2x Bontu's Last Reckoning - fastes boardwipe in the format, you should only need languish in situations where you give up your board for better topdecking - in such situations, the drawback is minimal, while the cmc 3 means you can play it in time (for example even if you fail to hit land drops, or thalia is on the field ...etc.)
- 2x Damping Sphere - decent against storm, tron, izzet blitz, and the now OMNIPRESENT boros blitz.
In your maindeck you can do much better.
Viscera Seer is very underwhelming if you only have bloodghast to go with it - i would repkace them with 1x more fatal push, 1x targeted discard & 1x Vampire of the Dire Moon / Vampire Cutthroat / Shadow Alley Denizen (latter gives evasion).
And for now maindeckable lifegain is king, so contemplate running a number of Feast of Blood or Collective Brutality (i recommend the former, as its harder to partially fizzle with prowess & less punishing when countered)
And since you run fetches, i woul advise getting 1-2 Witch's Cottage for more recursion.
6 months ago
The thing with these cards is that in general their effects can be found on similar cards without the downsides. Bontu's Last Reckoning is comparable to Toxic Deluge for the same mana or Damnation for only one more, for example.
But more importantly, while all of these cards keep your lands from untapping, none of them effect your artifacts. So you aren't actually losing a turn, you can still tap all those rocks and mana dorks to cast spells, and assuming you didn't tap out entirely on the turn you cast these, you can also use any lands that were left untapped on the following turn. Lands not untapping seemed like it was more impactful in a format that didn't have Sol Ring, Commander's Sphere, Darksteel Ingot, and suite of Signets/Charms/Cluestones/Banners/Obelisks/etc
6 months ago
Kefnet's Last Word could be amazing if you snatch the right target like idk Isochron Scepter
or as Omniscience_is_life suggested Seedborn Muse
Bontu's Last Reckoning would be great with Sudden Substitution
but that's kinda the catch all these cards "Could" be amazing "IF" so over all i would have to agree with RNR_Gaming
"There are just so many better options in commander"
6 months ago
As you said moo1234, Bontu's Last Reckoning is the one I find myself running the most, but I find they're best in decks that can expect to have a Seedborn Muse or rely on artifact ramp to get their mana
6 months ago
So remember in Amonkhet that cycle of cards which all did something pretty powerful for their cost, but then had the massive downside of almost making you skip a turn:
From what I can tell they are:
In commander losing a turn is pretty bad. I have my own opinion's on each of them, but there is a clear worst in commander (spoiler it's Rhonas's Last Stand)
Anyway, I only have used Bontu's last yell in commander, and it's pretty good early game,and a last resort late game (overall as it goes a pretty good card).
Amyway my question is: Does anyone have their own experience using this cycle and what do you think of them?
7 months ago
Firstly, thank you for the compliments, they are much appreciated, getting to your questions though, I will preface with saying that at this point I have played a lot more WITH the new additions to taxes than against it on Ad Naus meaning I do not have a ton of concrete data to back up my points.
My opinions on the matchup have not changed much, I still believe it to be relatively comfortable though with a strong margin of error dependent on pilot. I will focus here first solely on the mono-white version. Skyclave Apparition is a card I am only worried about inasmuch as they tend to play the playset. Granted they can slow down our development, or worse tag Phyrexian Unlife, but at the end of the day I think we need to evaluate what that line of play translates to for us. If we assume our opponent is playing Skyclave Apparition on turn 3 in an effort to stagger our development. I believe we are fairly safe to assume that Stoneforge Mystic was not the turn 2 play (in most circumstances, perhaps we are on the play and they fear a turn 4 win which is also a possible scenario). With this in mind we need to consider what this means for our opponents clock. The other 2 drops in their deck (pre-board) are Leonin Arbiter and Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, if they are playing Skyclave Apparition turn 3 then we can also assume healthily that the latter was not the play as in that case scenario they have less to fear as concerns a turn 4 win. So let's assume they have played Leonin Arbiter, they now have 2 damage on board at least, turn 1 could have been Aether Vial in which case we can expect another 2-drop at end of turn, again a 2-drop likely with 1/2 power. Add to this the 2 of the Skyclave Apparition and we are at 5/6 past this turn cycle. Overall I like being in that spot even if we have lost a Pentad Prism, of course scenarios could change if we were reliant on that Pentad Prism but being reliant on 1 rock is already a good way to lose against taxes. I bring this all up because a turn 3 Skyclave Apparition precludes an effective Stoneforge Mystic sequence by at least 1 turn, which is a scenario I am more than willing to accept at the cost of a Pentad Prism. We still go well over D&T's head, so delaying their most effective means of killing us quickly is, in this scenario, what I would consider a net neutral gain. I do not want to come across as dismissive here though, they play a playset of Skyclave Apparition, that is something we have to be aware of, in other words, Lotus Bloom becomes ever more important. Here, Phyrexian Revoker becomes relevant, as having the ability to both shut off and remove or set-up and thus be able to be more selective is an issue we need to address, a point I'll get to shortly.
As regards Archon of Emeria, yes. This card is an issue. I will say it has the distinct advantage for us of not being Deafening Silence which I would argue is far worse for us. I will start by saying if D&T is of great concern to you I would consider a mainboard Echoing Truth solely on account of this card, that said in a wide meta that isn't viable and we then have to be smart about beating it. One such way to beat it would technically be to cast Ad Nauseam on opponent's end step with a Phyrexian Unlife active and leave one card in the deck, we can then win the following turn with Thassa's Oracle, be aware though that the line opens us up to the aforementioned Skyclave Apparition, probably a risk we would have to take in that scenario. Most lists run two Archon of Emeria so there is a decent chance we don't have to deal with it game one but yes it is a card that has the ability to shift the balance in our opponent's favor when it comes down. I also should point out, in case someone else is reading this as well, that the lands entering tapped clause is very relevant and should be considered as it can slow us down considerably.
Moving to sideboarding considerations then, Grand Abolisher is fairly solid yes, as to whether it does enough is a bit of a trickier question. Personally, I think we should not underestimate it's ability versus equipment and Stoneforge Mystic, but yes it is most useful for shutting off vial shenanigans such as end-step Flickerwisp. If D&T is a concern I would likely consider up to 2 Grand Abolisher however Grand Abolisher doesn't exactly solve any problem inasmuch as it nullifies issues while we address the larger problem. In the current meta I think we have to start with upping the amount of removal, 1 Slaughter Pact provides some great utility as a one of, and then 3 Path to Exile should be sufficient here to answer the most problematic creatures whilst maintaining relevance against the others popular decks in the format. Again I also like Echoing Truth and even Abrupt Decay effects I believe have some great utility here.
Addressing a potential rise in metashare, I will preface with saying I don't see that necessarily happening as a long time D&T player myself. The deck is too much of a meta deck really to reach Hogaak levels of play to draw a comparison, that said with the current meta the way it is I wouldn't be surprised if D&T got to 5-15% of the field, at which point your argument for a board wipe could be a consideration. We have to ask ourselves then what is popular if D&T is getting that big. Spirits seems like something that could be considered there, Gruul also seems a safe bet, forgive me for it is late and I can't think of a ton off the top of my head, in the environment that D&T is likely to foster then, board wipes would be a good choice, the question though would be which board wipe? Bontu's Last Reckoning is certainly the most efficient, but it is far from the only option. I have always been a fan of Settle the Wreckage for instance, and Supreme Verdict is also a viable option. In the face of a lot of D&T and the decks that would accompany its rise I would also strongly consider a plan B in the sideboard. Grave Titan has the ability to more or less keep up with D&T, Keranos, God of Storms is also decent there weirdly, Dragonlord Dromoka and similar cards are also viable, as is Inferno Titan as a sort of catch all, being a plan B but also a potential mini-boardwipe. In other words, I don't think fear of D&T should throw you onto a boardwipe by and of itself, but rather D&T and the creature decks that could come behind it if it gets very popular.
As for Hushbringer, no I don't think it's particularly great even though it's a cool thought. The big issue I have is that we will only have access to it in postboard games, meaning we could be put into a bad situation with a Phyrexian Revoker naming Lightning Storm and us then having a useless card in hand with Hushbringer, even worse is if they are playing straight Pithing Needle which would be a huge blowout naming Lightning Storm. As the deck is currently constructed then its a cool idea but a bit too risky for my liking. If you want to play Hushbringer you do have some options though, siding out all the oracles and playing Jace, Wielder of Mysteries, Laboratory Maniac, or something more obscure such as Conflagrate (which does have some additional utility in this matchup) could make it possible. Then though you would have to be willing to accept the loss of a sideboard slot for an alternate win-con that still needs to function within the combo, I'd argue that is worse than just playing a plan B. A more out there solution would be to run a Gifts Ungiven package in the board with Unburial Rites and Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite. With that you would have a plan B (albeit a card intensive one for your board) and a board wipe that both allows you to play Hushbringer as a piece of hate (Thassa's Oracle would likely be the cut for the package post-board), and play around Archon of Emeria effectively. I won't endorse that as the most competitive solution but I feel it's certainly something to consider if D&T and the decks it brings are very prominent in your local meta. As you rightly state, the manabase we have allows us to really tinker with quite a bit here so we have no shortage of options.
In summation though I still like the matchup, it has gotten a bit closer I will concede, down from 70-30 to probably closer to 55-45 if I am being generous lacking a substantial amount of data. At the end of the day we still go over their head meaning the burden is on them to stop us not so much for us to win, if that makes any sense, I apologize if it doesn't. Archon of Emeria though is a real issue, and one that should be taken seriously, maybe even necessitating an Echoing Truth on main in certain metas. On a much different note, the BW versions are much tougher. Tidehollow Sculler wears equipment well and interacts with us in a meaningful way. There I am more concerned as we are being attacked on two axes, and while we still go over their head, they can slow us down and drain us of resources in a much more meaningful way than the mono-white builds.
Thank you for the comment, I apologize if this is hard to follow, like I have said it is nearly 2 a.m. here and I didn't want to keep you waiting. If you have further questions, or just clarification of my thoughts here, please do let me know. I plan on revisiting this tomorrow (I suppose really later today) and seeing if there is anything else I should say regarding this matchup, if there is I will certainly let you know.