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For each opponent, gain control of target creature that player controls until end of turn. Untap those creatures. They gain haste until end of turn.
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Mass Mutiny Discussion
1 week ago
1 month ago
Thanks for the view and suggestion.
Legion Loyalist is nice in a deck with big beasties, but this deck is full of weenies that don't attack. He would work nicely if I still had Insurrection and Molten Primordial, but I've removed them in favor of creatures that enter with friends (and the purphy triggers associated with them) . My next cut is probably going to be Mass Mutiny.
The problem with the creatures that I run in this deck is that no one is afraid of first striking, trampling 1/1's
1 month ago
For what it is worth, I tallied up every nonland card and recorded it as either a "take" effect (from play or from the graveyard) or a "sac" effect (which, obviously, sacrifices the creature).
This deck has 17 ways to take opponent's creatures, only one of which is repeatable.
This deck also has 12 ways to sacrifice creatures, many of which are repeatable.
I don't know if these are acceptable numbers for you or not, but I thought I would let you know what you are working with.
Also, since I'm a completionist, I added up the nonland cards that neither took or sacced anything. The result: 35. There are 35 cards that don't do either. I thought that was interesting data.
If you would like ideas for more take effects, consider Flash Conscription, Grab the Reins, Might Makes Right, and Mass Mutiny, which all work well in the deck and are all decent upgrades over the traditional Threaten text.
4 months ago
Here are some flavourful card ideas:
If you like some of the cards and want some help looking at what to swap, just ask, I'd be happy to help.
6 months ago
You might really get a kick out of Helm of Possession in a deck like this. Take a creature temporarily, then sacrifice it to take another creature permanently! You might also like more cheap and reusable sacrifice outlets other than your commander - as you said yourself, you don't want to rely on his presence too much. Goblin Bombardment doesn't need any mana to dispose of a creature, and High Market and City of Shadows are very nice as lands are hard to remove. You might also like making a real mess with some mass creature theft, like Insurrection, Mass Mutiny or Mob Rule, especially in multiplayer games.
By the way, I think most any red/white EDH deck should at least consider the utility of Sunforger! You probably have just enough targets for it to be worthwhile, and it's a great source of card advantage in the late game when your hand is empty and mana plentiful.
8 months ago
Hi! No problem! Got some ideas for ya!
I'm thinking this is a good start to a steal, dethrone, sack, gain control of a creature deck. Threaten effect, attack triggering Dethrone, sac to Ashnod's Altar, you end up with permanent control of the creature. P.S. I really like your Unspeakable Symbol in here. Brilliant!
So for what I'm thinking we'll need a bunch of stuff: Steal spells, ways to lose life(to activate dethrone), and sac outlets. Let's get to work!
Steal Spells: Slave of Bolas, Mass Mutiny, Insurrection, Mark of Mutiny(holy moley you don't even need dethrone :D), Act of Aggression, Word of Seizing, Zealous Conscripts, Kari Zev's Expertise, Act of Treason, Traitorous Instinct, Harness by Force, Hijack, Threaten.... these are all decent options. I think you should capitalize on the cost-efficiency of the red Threatens to leave room to do other things the same turn. Others like Insurrection are just game winners, especially if you end up with control of all of the stolen creatures in the end :)
Sac outlets: Fling(for the lolz and to deal some damage), Phyrexian Altar($$$$ I know), Attrition, Goblin Bombardment, Viscera Seer, Greater Gargadon, Grimgrin, Corpse-Born, Phyrexian Tower, Carrion Feeder, High Market... that's a good start. Hopefully find sac outlets with added utility. I also really like the lands, definitely run those.
Ways to lose life: Necropotence(commander staple, nice because you can pay only as much life as you need), Phyrexian Arena, Dark Confidant, Yawgmoth's Bargain, Bloodgift Demon, Sign in Blood & Night's Whisper, Dark Tutelage, Greed, Reprocess.... wow! luckily, black has us covered in this category! Take your pick! These are all amazing because they enable the strategy of the deck and draw you cards! Perfect!
Hopefully this will give you a good jumping off point! Good luck friend!
9 months ago
Disrupt Decorum is a total house. It brings disaster on all my foes, if it doesn't end the game within a few turns or so. It is nicely costed, and given that it's effects last for a full round of turns means that being a sorcery is not a huge deal. Great card, and while not technically a Threaten effect, it is not that different than Insurrection in what it does in play to make a difference. This has been my favorite.
Word of Seizing is an instant with split second. It is a very versatile card, if somewhat expensive. Still, you can pull all kinds of craziness with it. My second favorite.
Insurrection just finishes things. It is super expensive, and is better left in the Wishboard for retrieval when needed. Usually a single card late game one turn wincon.
Act of Aggression is technically CMC 5, but in reality, it is a colorless CMC 3 instant that does 4 damage to you, pay or to prevent 2 or 4 damage. It untaps, as MegaMatt13 astutely points out, meaning it has both offensive and defensive uses, and can't be foiled by the owner tapping it. Great card, I just wish it was CMC 4 for use with Sunforger.
Mark of the Oni looks very interesting. On the off chance that I have out Master of Cruelties, I get to keep the creature. If it untapped, this would be a perfect card. As it is, it has the same issue as Grab the Reins. I may try it anyway.
Blind with Anger has almost everything I want, instant, CMC 4 or less, untap and give it haste. Only problem is it is for legendaries. Too many legendaries I would want to target. Still, maybe worth trying.
Besmirch is pretty great, 3 cmc threaten that goads, untaps, and gives it haste. That is pretty amazing. The goad gives it defensive uses, even if not for blocking. Offensive defense. That is perfectly in line with this deck. It is a sorcery, which is the the only down side. I have like this one before, and may return to it. We shall see.
Unwilling Recruit is very interesting. Most things I am looking for, it untaps, it gives haste. It also can be used as an X spell finisher. I have not tried this one, but I am going to. A sorcery speed threaten effect that could turn a utility of midrange creature with some form of evasion into a finisher. Very cool. Too bad it doesn't bring evasion or trample by itself. I will try this one anyway.
Disharmony is a card I have tried, and I really wanted to like it, but in the end, it was a weird Fog/removal, with the potential of being a 2 for 1 in the right circumstances. Bummer. Not enough. Still, playing a card from Legends brings a little gravitas to a deck. Like drag racing a 57 Chevy. It may not win, but you look good losing.
Kari Zev's Expertise looks cool, but I am afraid that I would infrequently get to use the free spell. There are many CMC 2 cards, but most are defensive or early game cards. I may try it to see how it works.
Zealous Conscripts is awesome, but doesn't have flash, and comes with too much combo rep. Even so, it is worth considering.
Fractured Loyalty would be super fun in the right deck. Not this one.
Frenzied Fugue is pretty amazing. I could have some weird fun with this. Not sure is is the right card for this deck, though.
Other than those, there are also a few multi-target spells that fit in this category. Mass Mutiny, Mob Rule, and Molten Primordial are all great cards, and if I am creeping up into the higher CMC, as well as accepting some sorcery speed options, then these should definitely be considered. I am not sure which of them I like best. I am leaning toward Mass Mutiny due to the cheaper CMC, even though Molten Primordial comes with a large body, and Mob Rule will likely hit more targets. I may try them all.
While we are at it, since I am probably getting somewhat similar effects out or Animate Dead and Reanimate, maybe I should consider Beacon of Unrest. The CMC is higher, but the opportunity to use it more than once is interesting. It may find a spot as well.