Suspend 3— (Rather than cast this card from your hand, pay and exile it with three time counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter. When the last is removed, cast it without paying its mana cost.)
, Sacrifice Lotus Bloom: Gain three mana of any one colour.
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Lotus Bloom Discussion
2 weeks ago
As a few people have mentioned, this isn't really a cEDH build as much as it's a classic pub stomp Kaalia deck. But that's ok. And there are definitely some things you can do to make the deck faster.
Rakdos Signet, Boros Signet, Orzhov Signet, as well as Talisman of Indulgence, Talisman of Conviction and Talisman of Hierarchy will all help to you accelerate your commander down, as will cards like Dark Ritual and Lotus Bloom. The problem that you'll have with 3 CMC mana rocks is that they docn't actually help you play a 4 CMC commander any faster. Long term, cards like Mana Crypt (inadditiaon to the above) will definitely help however they also come with a price tag. Still, a handful of 2 CMC rocks will help you play your commander a turn earlier which also means attacking a turn eariler.
If you are looking to make this into a more cEDH list, you'll also havbe to deal with blue decks. As such, Red Elemental Blast, Pyroblast and Deflecting Swat are all super helpful in protecting your commander from counterspells. On the side of removal, for cEDH you generally prefer to have more efficient removal rather than expensive sweeper. So Swords to Plowshares, Path to Exile, Wear / Tear are better options as you don't really care to remove everyhting on ther board as much as just the thing that's stopping you. And if yho udo want a sweeper, Toxic Deluge is a good one as it's not only cheap but you can control what creatures die and since all your creatures are larger then you cna potentially wipe the board of only your opponents' stuff. Fire Covenant is also good as you can pipck what you want to die. And both of these are far more mana efficient than 6 mana sweepers.
1 month ago
wallisface Thanks, I used to run Lotus Bloom, but I've cut it in favor of the cantrips printed in Midnight Hunt. I've found that the velocity from Otherworldly Gaze and Faithful Mending helps with ensuring land drops. Reanimating a Grozoth also thins the deck considerably, which helps avoid dead draws as well.
1 month ago
Looks like a great brew! The only thing i’m skeptical of is the low land count, feels like that it could be hard to reach 5 mana, especially if you don’t draw a Prism.
Have you considered Lotus Bloom as copies 5-8 of Prism, for more reliable mana?
2 months ago
Be careful with suspend cards, since you cannot suspend them from exile. Profane Tutor exiled with you commander/etc will be gone for good. Same for Mox Tantalite, Sol Talisman, Lotus Bloom. Rebounds also do not work from exile, only hand. I.E Consuming Vapors
Also, Draugr Necromancer without any snow sources might be relevant, since snow mana can't be made from treasures.
Embereth Shieldbreaker just doesn't seem worth it honestly. I know they have adventure, but a sorcery speed Smelt into a vanilla with bad stats is bad. Bonecrusher Giant at least has an effect on the body, a way better body too, for 1 more mana on the creature, and 1 more mana for an instant adventure.
4 months ago
Hey, nice upgrades so far.
Since you added Basalt Monolith and Rings of Brighthearth consider also adding Staff of Domination? Staff is an outlet with infinite colorless mana to draw and cast artifacts, repeatable sac and exile them with Osgir. Staff with infinite mana lets you repeatedly tap and untap Osgir. Goblin Engineer can tutor for any one of these combo artifacts, get it into your graveyard to reanimate by sacing any other artifact or exile it with Osgir.
Oswald Fiddlebender is a repeatable artifact tutor from Adventures of the Forgotten Realms who also gets artifacts into your graveyard to exile with Osgir. Lotus Bloom and Sol Talisman are mana rocks that have suspend, but they're CMC is 0. When they're in your graveyard they cost zero mana to exile with Osgir. You have cards here that make you discard and these are artifacts you want to discard. Boros Signet and Talisman of Conviction are more two drop Boros mana rocks.
Some changes to consider:
- Staff of Domination --> Jor Kadeen, the Prevailer
- Goblin Engineer --> Hellkite Igniter
- Oswald Fiddlebender --> Hoard-Smelter Dragon
- Lotus Bloom --> Rout
- Sol Talisman --> Boros Locket
- Boros Signet --> Temple of the False God
- Talisman of Conviction --> Forgotten Cave
Good luck with your deck.
5 months ago
Tobuts, I really appreciate the chance to discuss a Burgeoning Sliver build. This is fun. Doombeard1984, it's also great to hear from you as well. I appreciate the well wishes. I'm managing my Hive just fine - I hope the same for you and yours as well. Have you had a chance to play paper magic? I've managed to get together a small casual EDH playgroup. I've been playing mostly precons as a result of that, but hey - magic is magic.
Tobuts, I must disagree with slotting in Darksteel Ingot for Mox Diamond . Indestructability is nice and all, but few players at the table would be willing to use removal on your mana rocks outside of a well timed Vandalblast effect. Not to mention, you'd be spending on a rock - there are so many better choices before you invest into spending so much mana on a turn. I maintain that the Talisman cycle is your best bet, or maybe even a Commander's Sphere , Coalition Relic (yields so much more value than Darksteel Ingot , despite having a CMC). Including Noble Hierarch or Birds of Paradise are also viable options - but more vulnerable ones. Personally, I opted to exclude anything that is a filthy non-sliver simply due to a personal build choice. Also, I must implore you to not use Lotus Bloom unless The First Sliver is your commander (and honestly even that is a stretch) to make the card viable. Just to note - when you cascade a spell with suspend, it is simply cast and is not exiled from the game with suspend counters on it. Honestly, Lotus Bloom belongs in a Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder deck.
Wheel of Fortune is a rather pricey pick up. Full disclosure - I picked mine up for about 30 USD back in the day, and even then I was upset because I thought I was overpaying lol. If only I knew about the Reserved List buyout that was to come. If you are committed to picking up a Reserved List card, and you know you will enjoy it for years to come then get it. Otherwise, i'd try out either of the previously suggested cards for the slot first - then make your decision.
I'm glad we're both on the same page in regards to Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip, it's a perfect substitute. As for The Great Henge - I don't think it would be a very good fit for this deck. Why? The average power for most creatures is well below 7. Additionally, I like to consider each card in silo - if for some reason my opponents were removing my Legendary slivers at just the right times, that would leave The Great Henge as a dead card as far as I'm concerned. I get why anyone would be excited about it though - it's literally keyword soup of all the things magic players like to do in green on one card. Just unfortunately, it's just a card that doesn't fit in this deck. My opinion may change in the future though - so who knows? Maybe i'll try it out one game and it just slaps
As for your manabase, use what you feel is right for you. My manabase was built with having literally the best and most efficient manabaase possible for a Sliver tribal deck with cost not being a factor. Such a ridiculous concept for a manabase won't work for everyone so I implore you to use what you know is financially feasible for you. However, i'm a big proponent of proxies. I love em'. Sure, I do own these cards as they are special to me, and all have a story (for the most part) but it would be absolutely silly to walk out of the house with a 15 thousand+ deck of cards. I wouldn't be able to even focus on the game - I'd be hoping and praying that I don't bend anything while shuffling or hope that no one steals one of my cards. Additionally, if you are in a playgroup that loves power simply ask what they would find acceptable and proxy to your heart's content. Heck, even Wizards official policy on proxies pretty much echoes my thoughts expressed here. They only care if you're bringing proxies to official DCI events. That's when they'd say "no". So again, as long as your playgroup is cool with it - then do it.
5 months ago
Doubling Cube - I would agree Doubling Cube can be slow sometimes, but I've really enjoyed using it. This deck can ramp pretty hard and being able to double up on that mana has proven more than useful quite a few times. The last game I played I was able to make 20 copies of Lotus Bloom , sac them all for 60 mana, and then use Doubling Cube to make over 100 mana. Which then allowed me to make 20 Platinum Angel 's and 20 Lightning Greaves , winning me the game through combat damage. It can also be used as a janky combo piece to create infinite mana. It may not be well suited for a deck that tries to win by turn 5/6, but for a deck that aims to win turns 8/9/10 it's worth the slot in my opinion.
Stoneforge Mystic - I'm not entirely sold on this one, but I'll add it to the maybeboard and keep it in mind moving forward.
All in all I'll probably keep the cube but cut Platinum Angel / Swiftfoot Boots for Recruiter of the Guard / Imperial Recruiter . Or maybe keep Swiftfoot Boots and cut Pyroblast , but I'm curious to hear your thoughts on that?
6 months ago
BadLuke Thanks for all of your recommendations and advice for the deck I do greatly appreciate it. In regards to the land count issue you mentioned, the number of lands in the deck has never changed from the creation of the deck but several other factors as to why the lands were that low have. The previous editions of the deck that I had ran many more ramp pieces such as Somberwald Sage , Lotus Bloom , and Jeweled Lotus , to hit my commander faster. However it made the deck to fast for my play group. Thus i ended up taking out all of the better ramp pieces and putting in other more fun cards. I do want to put cards in like Sublime Epiphany however keep forgetting to add it. If you would like to look at it i can create the original deck and link it here. In any case thank you for you advice.