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Creature — Specter
Whenever Scythe Specter deals combat damage to a player, each opponent discards a card. Each player who discarded a card with the highest converted mana cost among cards discarded this way loses life equal to that converted mana cost.
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Scythe Specter Discussion
2 months ago
Always glad to meet another Crosis fan.
Most decks in my meta run between 6-8 removal spells and 3-5 wipes. Originally, this deck had lots of specters such as Hypnotic Specter and Scythe Specter. However, I realized these creatures don't often get a lot of value before they get removed. As a result, I've tried to diversify how I make my opponents discard cards: some ETB-effects, some saboteurs that have extra value like Liliana's Reaver, spells, abilities, etc. in an effort to make the deck more resilient. One con of this resiliency is that the deck does become slower. Luckily, this is EDH, where there is some room to play slower decks -- so long as your not playing across from a Narset, Teferi/chain veil combo and the like.
I'd be curious to know what dragons you use in your build, if you don't mind sharing.
4 months ago
Thanks for your comments, I will rebuild it with your remark in mind. wallisface thanks for your analysis Shrieking Affliction is a good idea. I will replace non modern card and remove 4+ cmc cards. Replace Scythe Specter by Nightveil Specter. Underworld Dreams is a nice idea too.
4 months ago
Thanks for your remark and add me new card at my knowledge. All your three card are nice and relevent, i'm looking for low cost specter to well start the game or another specter to replace Scythe Specter
4 months ago
well its not modern legal... believe me though.. i REALLY wish Dark Ritual was in modern, it would be so broken but man it would be fun!!!
you have a good start though!! very interesting. you could add in some Underworld Dreams to replace one of those non modern legal cards, its not discard though, but it is fun to play. maybe even some Dash Hopes and Darkness both also real good in mono black.
5 months ago
Couple of notes up front (might just be due to ongoing edits):
- You have 2 copies of Victory Chimes in the list
- You only have 96 cards in the list (including the duplicate above) instead of 100
Want to suggest a couple of deck strategies to consider focusing in on (they are all fairly synergistic but it might help to pick one to focus on to help the deck feel like it has a clearer win condition):
With your current list of mill-value and beats, the missing pieces only seem to be ways to close the game.
- Keening Stone to close out a player with mill
- Necrotic Ooze to take advantage of any opponents' powerful abilities
- Consuming Aberration and Lord of Extinction seem quite good
- Psychosis Crawler takes advantage of the multiple windfall effects you are running but otherwise isn't too synergistic
- Splinterfright is a cheaper Lhurgoyf with better keywording and a synergistic 'tax' that works in your favor. Terravore might be worth considering too.
Discard Group Slug
I think this is a really interesting avenue for Muldrotha: running cards like Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur, Waste Not, Oppression, Mindslicer and Myojin of Night's Reach to clear out your own and opponents' hands while benefiting from Muldrotha and other graveyard recursion effects to allow yourself to keep making plays. It would be a deck unlike any other at our table so far.
Other solid cards that support this archetype:
- Scythe Specter, Hypnotic Specter, Liliana's Specter
- Cabal Conditioning
- Words of Waste
- Necrogen Mists
- Bloodhusk Ritualist
- Bottomless Pit
- Sword of Feast and Famine (yeah, expensive though)
- Painful Quandary
- Archfiend of Ifnir
Graveyard Theft or Pure Recursion
This concept would run recursion spells like Boneyard Parley to steal the best things from opponents graveyards. In this case, Muldrotha allows us to consistently run targeted recursion from our graveyard, and we can focus our deck construction on the grave-robbing package. Because of Muldrotha's ability, we want to focus primarily on "theft on sticks" which we can repeatedly cast as needed, likely leaning heavily into Black.
Theft on Sticks examples
- Chainer, Dementia Master
- Dance of the Dead
- Scion of Darkness
- Chancellor of the Spires can both jump-start your mill value and borrow a winner from someone's yard. Sam has one.
11 months ago
Holy smokes, I love the discussion this is generating! Thank you all for your comments!
geekmp3: I like the cheap CMC of Planar Void but I worry about exiling some of my key enchantments or artifacts. Turns out, people really don't like discarding their whole hand and a lot of my permanents become quick targets. I've won a couple games by pulling my stuff back from the graveyard and recasting it.
Phenix: I considered Nirkana Revenant for ramp but she's so expensive to cast that I decided not to. I generally prefer to keep my ramp spells cheaper so I can cast them early game, or later game I can cast them and other things. I'm currently a little on the fence about keeping Caged Sun.
Thanks Kaleo42, I thought it was an amusing concept, too. Turned out to be just as fun to play. The decks I play against are a bit of a mixed bag. It's mostly kitchen table EDH, though my playgroup's experienced a bit of power creep as we strive to outdo one another. Some strong Jhoira suspending, tokens, combos, a number of quality voltron commanders but generally not much cruel control.
NoSoyYucateco, you're giving me good food for thought here:
Yeah, Scythe Specter's discard is conditional, relying on it dealing combat damage but I really like that makes all opponents discard. Its 6 CMC is pretty tough to swallow though - especially if it's killed before it even attacks. I did consider Bloodhusk Ritualist early on when building this deck but cut it, thinking that to make one person discard one card wasn't a great investment. But if I spent the same as Scythe Specter cost, I'd get that person to discard 3 immediately. Hmmm. I do like that the discard happens immediately, and I can scale my mana investment to "right-size" how many cards I want someone to discard. I might switch these two up.
Your Maralen of the Mornsong and Teferi's Puzzle Box combo is pretty cool and would definitely lock down the whole table. I like that Maralen can help me tutor up the puzzle box to complete the combo. But sometimes I want my opponents to draw cards, just so I can make them discard them and take damage with Liliana's Caress, Megrim and Raiders' Wake. Also, the puzzle box is a bit of a dead card to me without Maralen in play. I'll think on it.
I had Innocent Blood in my list for a while but with so few creatures, I was hesitant to run it for fear of having to sacrifice something really good. I figured Chainer's Edict was safer and pretty cheap for .
11 months ago
You might find a quicker route to locking down the whole table is Maralen of the Mornsong and Teferi's Puzzle Box. They tutor for a card, then put their hand on the bottom of their library. On your turn, stack the triggers the other way so that you put your hand on the bottom, then tutor for a card.
1 year ago
Painful Quandary is perfect for your next tutor after destroying your opponents hands. Some cards you might want to add. Banshee of the Dread Choir, Scythe Specter and a nice combo plus fits the theme here is Bloodchief Ascension + Mindcrank one damage to any opponent will kill then or mill them and gain you lots of life. If you want protection from creatures? If your hand is empty like everyone else's hands? then Ensnaring Bridge works great here. Other good protection is Dread.
I see you have Magus of the Coffers! With only 6 swamps you can make infinite mana. Just add Sword of the Paruns and or Umbral Mantle one of these on your Magus of the Coffers and 6 swamps is infinite black mana