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If you control a Swamp, you may pay 4 life rather than pay Snuff Out's mana cost.
Destroy target nonblack creature. It can't be regenerated.
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Snuff Out Discussion
1 day ago
Depending on your meta, my thoughts may be way off, but I can give you a couple thoughts.
Personally, I think you are trying to do cool things, but you are trying to do it in a non-disruptive way. The majority of your cards just exile from the yard without doing something proactive about it and a couple cards seem to go against this theme.
For example, Humility Makes Anafena a 1/1. For three mana. And this all. She doesn't exile anymore, she doesn't add counters, and the majority of your creatures are constellation based, so they then do nothing. Maybe you have some insane EtB deck with all sorts of mana abilities, but if that is the case, you could run Linvala, Keeper of Silence to turn off there fun while maintaining your own stuff.
I also think Archangel of Thune and Skybind are weak because you don't have a lot of little lifegain effects (think soul sister effects) and Skybind just blinks things. This could kill tokens or x/x dudes, but 5 mana for an almost do nothing on EtB enchantment feels.. lacking.
In terms of ramp/targeted removal, you are in green, so ramp is nuts and artifact removal is good. You also B/W so removalof creatures and enchantments is pretty great.
Ramp:Mana Dorks: - Lots of them. Jam them. 1 mana 1/1's that tap for mana that can be bigger in the early stages from an early anafenza swing (she says TAPPED creature. Not ATTACKING creature)
Llanowar Elves, Elves of Deep Shadow, Avacyn's Pilgrim, Elvish Mystic, Birds of Paradise (not technically a 1/1 but whatever), etc. They are all good and all produce colored mana, which is important in a mana hungry deck.
:Mana Rocks: 2-3 mana ones are best. The appropriate signets and the G/W Talisman is nice. Chromatic Lantern (if it isn't already in there) is an all-star. It is one of the normal picks with Enlightened tutor that I take, with Sol Ring and Courser being very close as well. You also could have a Sylvan Caryatid.
:Removal: ( my favorite)2-4 mana seems to be the normal cost.
Snuff Out, Anguished Unmaking, Vindicate, Utter End, Malicious Affliction, (maybe, probably not because of exile) Council's Judgment, Silence the Believers, Nature's Claim for artifacts and whatnot if you feel it is needed.
Lastly, I think there is some kind of "lack" of wincon in here if your opponents have some form of lifegain or can keep Anafenza contained. There are some combos you can do like Linvala, Keeper of Silence + Nature's Revolt (the opponents lands can no longer tap for mana because they are creatures with a tap ability). Could also throw Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite into that mix to murder the lands as well. But some omissions/changes, you totally could have something else in there I am just not seeing and is a crazy wincon. I just don't see it :)
Sorry for a mega post.. But I just made an Anafenza deck that focused on the word "exile" and just wanted to play big scary things and win. So I recently found a LOT of cards to go into these kind of decks.
3 days ago
@man1ac Nice observations. I came mostly to same concluisons. I have been tuning my deck yesterday based on some games we had with our playgroup recently.
Totally agree on targeted removal. Myself, I prefer Pongify, Snuff Out (free removal so more mana to use the God) and Curtains' Call (as it takes out two creatures unconditionaly. Some other observations I had:
1) You may end up playing against spell decks, had a hard time playing against Glissa and combo Hanna, Ship's Navigator. both reccuring artifacts and enchantments from the graveyard. So you need a beatdown plan and also gravehate for other than creatures. Therefore I added Withered Wretch
6) Memory Plunder continues to impress. Played Toxic Deluge in opponents combat phase or Krosan Grip to take out a combo piece I wouldnt be otherwise able to ged rid of. This card is an all-star in the deck.
3 weeks ago
If you had room for basic lands you could easily run the Scroll Rack + Land Tax card engine. Land Tax gives you three basics, scroll rack swaps those cards along with any other trash cards you don't like in your hand for new cards, and then Land Tax shuffles your library on your next turn so not only will you not draw into what you tucked away, but the process always repeats giving you the equivalent of an Ancestral Recall on all your turns.
Honestly at this point you got your deck feels like its held down so tightly it almost looks impossible to suggest any ways in which to make improvements.
I noticed you're running Wheel of Fortune. I don't know if you've considered Reforge the Soul some time long ago, but considering you're running Vampiric Tutor, Mystical Tutor, Lim-Dul's Vault, and Imperial Seal with can-trips galore it would practically be Wheel of Fortune for 1 less or at the same cost but at instant speed given it miracle cost. Sure it slightly impacts Dark Confidant and ad nauseum but only by 2 damage more on the off-chance it gets top-decked in a 99-card deck.
Other spells I could probably throw at the wall to see what sticks would be, Fragmentize, Argivian Find, Abolish, Ideas Unbound, Lightning Axe, Day's Undoing, Long-Term Plans, Defense Grid, Swerve, Darkblast, (Specifically for dredging dead cards with Sensei's Top.) Painful Truths, Abrade, Shattering Spree, Ensnaring Bridge, Standstill, Surgical Extraction, Snuff Out, Vendetta, Pongify, Rapid Hybridization, Innocent Blood, Esper Charm, Kolaghan's Command, Reanimate, Maze of Ith, Arcane Denial, Apostle's Blessing, Shadow of Doubt, Impulse.
Sorry if none of that ended up being helpful to you. I tried covering a wide range of spells that would vary in their ability depending on how your meta is.
3 weeks ago
Ok, so to make the deck more reactive AND mess less with AdNaus, why not Slaughter Pact? Should not bother with the 4 we need to pay, either we use it on combo turn or we have nothing else to do with our mana because we should only use it in EXTREME cases... Another 'free' removal spell would be Snuff Out, 4 life might be too much (needs testing) but we should always have a swamp so it would at least be free in mana... Would mess with AdNaus but still always be relevant to remove something at least...
Myr Sireis another one that could be considered, similar to Carrier Thrall, but no colored mana (which can sometimes be a plus). No it can't tap for mana nor will the token it produces, but you would still be able to go off with only another creature on board plus him if needed. Also you would have another creature to sacrifice after a Culling the Weakor an opponent trying to remove... I could see it replacing Reassembling Skeleton, since it would give the same purpose, two tutors for two mana, but without any further mana investment.
And... Would you like to get an appropriate primer written? I would greatly like to contribute to your deck and have it featured on our list!
So, my suggestions this time:
Edit: And I see you are missing a card, I would suggest adding in City of Traitorsas a land also in the deck. Every possible way to ramp is good, even if it is a land that maybe won't stick around. It would act as another copy of Crystal Vein in some way, I would even say it would be beter, since you can drop it on a turn for 2 mana, next turn tap it before playing the land so it can net 4 in two turns at the very least, if not more (and awesome land on combo turn). If you do not want a land more, I would suggest cutting Mishra's Workshopfor it.
1 month ago
You have very few cards that cost 2 or less, in fact, almost half of your list costs 4 or more (counting lands!) That's an extremely high curve, and you will usually be glacially slow as a result.
Also, 26 planeswalkers seems slightly too many. I would cut down to 20 or so, and make room for some more cheap accelerators and tools to protect yourself. Your gameplan needs to be survival until the advantages gained by Atraxa and your Planeswalkers win you the game. So you need cards that help you cast your value engines quickly, and cards that protect them and you, then winning should be trivial.
That said, i would add: Fellwar Stone - since you are 4 colors, it will usually provide 2-4 of your colors. I like it more than Darksteel Ingot and other 3cmc rocks, since it ramps into your powerful 4cmc cards like Atraxa a turn early. Similar cards are Carpet of Flowers (It works almost all the time, and is just fantastic if it works. People play lots of islands!), Nature's Lore, Farseek, Chrome Mox and Signets.
Toxic Deluge, Snuff Out, Dismember, Moment's Peace, Swan Song, Stubborn Denial, Unexpectedly Absent - cheap interaction. The cheaper your interaction, the easier it is to cast it when you really need it to protect your planeswalkers from harm.
Vampiric Tutor, Wargate, Enlightened Tutor, Tezzeret the Seeker - a few more tutors to ensure you find the right tool exactly at the right time.
Blind Obedience, Meekstone, Maze of Ith - lockpieces that help defend you.
The cards i like the least and would therefore suggest to cut are Deploy the Gatewatch, AEtherize, Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath, Nahiri, the Lithomancer, Sorin, Lord of Innistrad, Lightmine Field, Tamiyo, Field Researcher, Dovin Baan.
1 month ago
I am not sure if Thran Dynamo is actually better than a Signet in this deck, since it doesn't help you cast Kaalia early, which should be your primary objective. Signets are great at casting a 3-colored commander since they fix your mana really well.
On the topic of mana fixing: You should absolutely run more fetchlands. With both the original duals and shocklands at your disposal, Scalding Tarn and Windswept Heath are much better than all those basic lands.
I am not a fan of some of your interactive spells: Lightning Bolt hits way too few relevant targets in EDH, and Unlicensed Disintegration and Mortify are somewhat decent, but you have enough removals at cmc3+, so i would replace them. Snuff Out, Unexpectedly Absent, Path to Exile and Murderous Cut are great, cheap removal spells. Your deck is trying to cast a lot of expensive cards in its mainphase, so it is much better to have cheap instants to go along with them.
2 months ago
You definitely want some spot removal. However, it needs to be efficient, otherwise you'll end up wasting mana if you need to hold up lands in order to cast your removal during an opponent's turn. If you aggressively tutor for Murasa Pyromancer, then your blink effects can act as removal, but that still requires at least 6 mana to get the creature onboard.
Here's a list of removal spells that I like:
- Snuff Out: You never need to hardcast this. Being able to tap out and still kill a threat is awesome.
- Slaughter Pact: Kill a creature now, pay mana later? Sign me up!
- Swords to Plowshares: one of the best removal spells ever printed.
- Path to Exile: a worse version of Swords to Plowshares is still insanely good.
- Vendetta: It's Doom Blade, except you pay 1-7 life instead of an extra .
- Condemn: It's worse than Swords to Plowshares, but being able to remove a creature without letting it go to your opponent's graveyard (aka, their second hand) can be crucial.
- Prey Upon: This is pretty conditional, but if you consistently have big creatures onboard, then it's pretty mana-efficient.
- Pongify/Rapid Hybridization: Giving your opponent a 3/3 isn't really a big deal. Creatures get way too big in this format, and is way less than you should probably be paying for this effect.
- Go for the Throat: Kills more relevant creatures than Doom Blade, for the same price.
- Doom Blade: Kills things dead. Not hitting black creatures is a fairly large drawback, but as long as you're careful about how many "nonblack" removal spells you play, having a couple isn't an issue.
- Victim of Night: Vampires and Werewolves are basically non-entities in this format, so you basically only need to know that this card can't hit zombies. Given that 99.99% of zombies played in EDH are black, that means Victim of Night kills more relevant creatures than Doom Blade.
- Malicious Affliction: Doom Blade, except it can kill two creatures if you time it properly.
- Terminate: It's difficult to find a better removal spell than Terminate.
- Reprisal: I don't like this card, but it is cheap to acquire, so if you're operating more on a budget, Reprisal a reasonable choice.
- Dromoka's Command: Requires you to have a reasonable creature, but it's incredibly flexible.
- Reality Shift: Given how useless a single 2/2 is in EDH, Reality Shift basically reads "Exile target creature. Its controller draws a card about 20-50% of the time".
- Seal of Doom: This card requires some explanation. While it doesn't provide card advantage and it isn't as mana-efficient as Doom Blade, being able to pay for the card in advance is a reasonable tradeoff. However, the main reason I like this card is that it often discourages people from playing good targets for this spell (namely, dangerous creatures that threaten to take over the game).
- Beast Within: As with Rapid Hybridization and Pongify, a 3/3 isn't worth much in EDH. Being able to destroy any permanent is well worth the 3 mana spent on it.
- Crosis's Charm: Not the most efficient, but it is incredibly flexible.
- Sultai Charm: See above.
- Mortify: 3 mana is more than I want to spend when killing a creature, but being able to hit enchantments makes this card much more appealing.
- Putrefy: See above, but replace "enchantment" with "artifact".
- Anguished Unmaking: Nuke a permanent for almost no downside. What's not to love?
- Reckless Spite: Kills 2 creatures.
- Unmake: It's a little on the expensive side, but sometimes exiling is important.
- Silence the Believers: Having the option to Strive to hit multiple targets makes this card much more palatable. Silence the Believers isn't great, but it's useful.
Some of these cards might not be the easiest to acquire, especially if you're on a budget, but even the less expensive options are good cards.
2 months ago
I think you could upgrade Pacifism, Doom Blade, Ultimate Price and Lightning Bolt into Darksteel Mutation, Snuff Out, Murderous Cut and Swords to Plowshares.
As for acceleration, Generator Servant seems like great fit. I don't understand why you are running Darksteel Citadel though. I can't see any useful synergies in your list. A couple of your tapped lands could make room for Dragonskull Summit, Sulfurous Springs, Caves of Koilos, Isolated Chapel, Clifftop Retreat or other untapped dual lands.
Hellkite Tyrant is another great dragon, i highly recommend it.