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Creature — Zombie
Whenever Liliana's Reaver deals combat damage to a player, that player discards a card and you put a 2/2 black Zombie creature token onto the battlefield tapped.
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Liliana's Reaver Discussion
4 days ago
Dedicated zombie tribal could be cool, and it seems you're already headed in that direction, so I'd check for any specific zombie lords you're missing ( Lord of the Undead for example) if you want to pursue that direction for your deck.
As for specific adds and subtracts;
Subtracts; Killing Wave (people will just pay the life for what they want to keep, I'd replace this with Torment of Hailfire or Exsanguinate or an actual board wipe). Bontu's Last Reckoning almost makes you skip your entire next turn just so you can cast Damnation for one less mana. I'd recommend Mutilate over it if anything. Cruel Edict is bad, Liliana's Triumph and various other cards are much better for this effect, probably including Innocent Blood . Liliana's Elite is probably mediocre most of the time, Liliana's Reaver is just bad. Graveyard Marshal isn't actually great for zombies, there are lots of better ways to make zombie tokens if you want. I wouldn't recommend him. Desecration Demon will probably never be useful in EDH so I wouldn't recommend him, if your opponents really can't just handle taking the 6 damage to the face in the air then they'll definitely just have a creature to sacrifice to stop it. Its not a good card in EDH at all unfortunately. I think Greed or Erebos, God of the Dead > Arguel's Blood Fast Flip. Also, I wouldn't recommend some of your planeswalkers; i love liliana but some of those cards are downright useless in EDH (if you manage to do a single thing with Liliana, Death Wielder I'd be shocked).
Add; Dictate of Erebos ( Grave Pact with flash). Dark Prophecy , Midnight Reaper and various other similar effects to help you draw more (which I think your deck will want to do, and black has a million options for drawing cards, especially when things die). Definitely Corpse Augur and Graveborn Muse too. Toxic Deluge is also a better board wipe than most of your removal. I'd probably recommend Stitcher's Apprentice as well, to help you get some cards in your graveyard. I'll think of more if you want, there's such a wide variety of cards to use in black zombies.
Also, your deck has multiple tutors, but not really any obvious win conditions to look for. Can you tell me what you think you'll be tutoring for most of the time? I'd say Gray Merchant of Asphodel as its probably your strongest card, but you also don't have much reanimation to back it up a lot of the time.
1 month ago
You have a lot of sorceries. They're not necessarily bad, but they are taking up space where zombies could be. You can get rid of innocent blood (use fleshbag marauder instead), aether snap, twilight's call, life's finale
You don't really need vensor's journal or whispersilk cloak. You don't really have big creatures that do anything on combat damage to a player.
For instants I think tendrils of corruption, grasp of darkness, murder, go for the throat, and doom blade do well in mono black
And you got some jank creatures. What is that vulture? no. No dross hopper, no gangrenous zombies, no zombie brute, gutless ghoul is kind of crap, you have a lot of things with activated abilities and I just don't think you're going to be using them that much.
You also don't have card draw. You have a sign in blood and that's it really. Black has some good pay with life card draw cards.
You have the sanguine bond/exquisite blood combo, but your sanguine bond is completely useless. You don't gain any life except from vensor's journal and you don't have much card draw, so it's not going to do much.
Good zombie cards to add: Fleshbag Marauder (so good with mikaeus) Ghoulcaller Gisa Ghoulraiser Graf Harvest Grave Betrayal Grave Defiler Graveborn Muse Gravecrawler Infernal Caretaker josu vess Liliana's Mastery Lord of the Accursed Maalfeld Twins Necromancer's Stockpile Necromantic Selection Noosegraf Mob Open the Graves Grave Titan Liliana's Reaver Cadaver Imp Corpse Connoisseur Accursed Horde Archdemon of Unx cemetary recruitment Cryptbreaker Diregraf Colossus Doomed Dissenter Empty the Pits (is hilarious) Ever After Overseer of the Damned Plague Belcher Rakshasa Gravecaller Relentless Dead Risen Executioner Rot Hulk Shepherd of Rot Stir the Sands Zombie Infestation
I think I have some of these. You can have them if I do
2 months ago
Cool deck man! Looks like you're into discard quite a bit here. Definitely wouldn't want to mess with what you like, but I can absolutely name a few cards for mono black that are better when graveyards are huge. Here are a few in no particular order. All of these should be on the cheaper end of the spectrum.
Nyxathid , Nighthowler , Hypnotic Specter , Liliana's Reaver , Shrieking Affliction , Persecute , and Isochron Scepter . That last one is a bit steeper, but it would let you reuse instant and sorcery cards for even more constant discarding.
Good luck with the building!
3 months ago
Also, Rogue's Passage is a pretty decent land if you can't get in easily.
Finally, Sepulchral Primordial can get some value from those discarded cards.
3 months ago
Door of Destinies I’d say was slightly better than Coat of Arms because it only affects your creatures, I would definitely recommend Ghoulcaller Gisa just really good for token spam remove forgoten creation , Liliana's Reaver, Raving Dead for power Dictate of Erebos Grave Pact for board control, due to the balance of high black compared to blue I’d recommend Cabal Coffers and Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth for a lot of mana, I’d recommend since your blue black running more board wipes like Cyclonic Rift DamnationDecree of Pain, Patriarch's Bidding for more reanimation, EDH staples like Sol Ring are useful for mana ramp,Grave Betrayal for stealing other creatures, since you run blue black more card draw is needed so things like Rhystic Study and Phyrexian Arena
4 months ago
You are right TheGeneralAdvisor, but i don't think I'm running enough creatures for that idea. It's an idea and it's a good one but I'm gonna pass on it for the fact that i could do the killing myself with a board wipe. A kill spell, or Plaguecrafter effect. Otherwise I'll just keep swinging with it, till they kill it. But what do you think about adding in Phyrexian Obliterator in place of Liliana's Reaver
4 months ago
Well, when going for the CMDR kill, Mesmeric Orb is the card of dreams, where other cards aren't bad, like Vicious Rumors, they don't do enough to warrant me wanting their inclusion without the commander.
What should be kept is a lot of tutors, to fetch different cards, as well as a lot of ramp. Then a reasonably large hand disruption package, and finishing the deck off with some combos, and cards that do a ton to swing the board in your favor.
Unsure of your budget, and the power level you want, here are the cards I would add to increase the competitiveness of the deck:
(On a budget? Do nothing with the lands!)
Draw: Sign in Blood, Night's Whisper, Sensei's Divining Top, Scroll Rack, and Asylum Visitor (can top cards you don't want to discard), Library of Leng (tops cards you don't want to discard again... but in a different way), Necropotence
(On a budget? use control elements like Doom Blade, and removal in black instead of stax, some of the more budget stax is okay, but generally the more layered stax the better, so the less the worse each is. Removal is a good replacement.)
Vicious Rumors, Abyssal Nocturnus, Fell Specter, Guul Draz Specter, Herald of Anguish, Hypnotic Specter, Liliana's Reaver, Myojin of Night's Reach, Needle Specter, Scythe Specter, Sewer Nemesis, Stronghold Rats, Wei Night Raiders, Whispering Specter, Ghoulcaller's Bell, Darksteel Plate, Ordeal of Erebos, Raiders' Wake, Bontu's Last Reckoning, Anvil of Bogardan, Putrefaction, Painful Quandary, Megrim, Fraying Omnipotence, Rise of the Dark Realms, Torment of Hailfire, Liliana Vess.
Not sorry about the long comment ;)
4 months ago
I love zombies! and this deck is basic which means its not to hard for ANYONE WITH BASIC KNOWLEDGE OF MAGIC CAN PICK IT UP AND PLAY.
Some suggestions are Call to the Grave for removal can help get rid of pesky creatures your opponent controls making them sac them! One of my favorite non-zombie zombie support cards Grave Titan makes token and hes a beat-stick as it is. Liliana's Reaver is an awesome zombie that if left unchecked will cause your friends lots of misery!
if you want to add blue to spice things up you'll have access to counterspells along with one of my favorite zombie lords Diregraf Captain along with a decent flyer which zombies normally don't have in Siren of the Silent Song who helps get cards out of your opponents hands and if you like the effect of Grimoire of the Dead can help you fill the yard with lots of targets for mass zombification!!!!
Liliana's Reaver occurrence in decks from the last year
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