Creature — Zombie
Whenever Liliana's Reaver deals combat damage to a player, that player discards a card and you put a 2/2 black Zombie creature token onto the battlefield tapped.
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Liliana's Reaver Discussion
6 days ago
Not that bad. I'd replace Diregraf Captain with Gravecrawler. He combos better with Diregraf Colossus. I've found out that have a BUNCH of zombies get out really fast, works way better than having 3 or 4 strong zombies later in the game. That leads me to Dark Salvation, which certainly helps with getting a fast army out. Plus you can kill and enemy creature almost every time. Graf Harvest is almost evil if you prioritize numbers over strength. You'll have so many zombies, they wont really be able to block much. Liliana's Reaver is a not so good, but cheaper alternative to Grave Titan. He doesnt work as well, but again, he costs less.
2 weeks ago
you need consistancy. there are too many 2 ofs. also you 5+ costed cards, which is extremely slow in modern. the only decks that play 3+ 5 drops (or higher) are usually control decks. you seem to want to be a midrange deck more than anything.
lets take it step by step and see what we can do.
from the top Grave Betrayal. betrayal is a great card. once you play it, Tragic Slip becomes a permanent Confiscate with a +1/+1. the only problem? its 7 mana. you will never survive long enough to play this card. especially not if you have to spend your entire turn to do it (which at 7 mana i can't imagine you wouldn't be). this card should be replaced with a card that you might be able to cast in an average game.
let us descend to the 6 drops. Rooftop Storm isn't the same as betrayal. this one you can play and also follow up with all the zombies in your hand. which sounds pretty awesome at first. but remember. this is a 6 drop. in what scenarios would you still have a large number of zombies in your hand to cast after this hits the field? if you only have 1 or 2, why wouldn't you just play them instead? basically this card sounds good, but isn't really necessary for anything.
Noosegraf Mob is the next 6 drop. 6 mana 5/5 isnt super great, but it can turn into 6 mana 5 2/2s which is actually pretty decent. the only problem is that when it hits the field your opponent is going to cast Terminate/Path to Exile/Maelstrom Pulse/etc and you are left with a regular 2/2 for 6 mana. not a lot of value. especially when you should really be killing people on turn 6 or so. if you waste your entire turn casting this and it resolves, your opponent may not even have to remove it, they might be able to swing for lethal still since you only played 1 blocker. basically you might want to have something that comes down sooner and therefore will be more relevant.
and now we move to the 5 drops. lets start with the Conjurer's Closet. what are you trying to flicker? the mob? the colossus? i mean you don't really have any great targets for this and its basically a 5 mana blank card when you don't have any good flicker targets.
Dictate of Erebos: you don't have a lot of creatures right now. you have 14 creature cards and 3 non creatures that make tokens. you also have 6 creatures that make more creatures but 2 of them are 6 drops and 2 of them require dealing damage to a player so i don't really see them being a consistent way to create creatures. so for this card to be useful you need to have more creatures than your opponent or bet that your opponent has no creatures they are willing to sacrifice to kill you creatures.
Vengeful Pharaoh: i mean this card needs to go to your graveyard consistently to be useful. but since you only have 2 discard outlets and 2 mill options i wouldn't really advise this.
this has taken me a lot longer than expected for several reasons so i'm going to start start making these descriptions shorter and if you need clarification just post a reply at my name and ill get back to you.
Liliana's Reaver: it's nice but it requires you to actually hit the opponent for it to actually work out for you. otherwise its just a 4/3 for 4 which isn't all that impressive.
Ultimate Price: good choice. should be at 4.
Vile Rebirth you don't have that many creatures. make sure you have a good way to consistently get creatures in the grave so that this card is usable. dont forget it directly effects how good Ghoulcaller's Chant.
Tragic Slip is fine.
Gisa and Geralf: you don't have really any cards that will care about the mill 4 etb effect. the second effect is good but you either need to hope that you have some decent stuff to rez and hope that this creature survives long enough to work. i guess its fine as a 2 of.
Diregraf Colossus: good stuff for a zombie tribal deck. 4 of.
Diregraf Captain zombie lord is a zombie lord. other ability is nice too.
Cryptbreaker is also fine. maybe a 3 of would be better.
cards you don't have that might be helpful Death Baron,Cemetery Reaper and Lord of the Undead. i don't recall their prices off hand but one of them is cheaper than Cryptbreaker as i recall. the other two are probs out of your price range.
3 weeks ago
General Awesome Black Cards: Deserted Temple, High Market, Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, Black Market, Necropotence, Phyrexian Arena, Phyrexian Reclamation, Wake the Dead, Corpse Augur, Living Death, Exsanguinate, Black Sun's Zenith, Ashnod's Altar, Charcoal Diamond, Boneknitter, Cemetery Reaper, Corpse Harvester, Diregraf Colossus, Geralf's Messenger, Grave Defiler, Gray Merchant of Asphodel, Infernal Caretaker, Liliana's Reaver, Risen Executioner, Sidisi, Undead Vizier, Soulless One, Unbreathing Horde and Zombie Master.
1 month ago
hey man, looked over the list w/o the newest update and posted where I see the deck heading here to help give you some inspiration and ideas.
Here is a list of what I took out from above and what I added (NOTE: There are budget options that I removed for better alternatives, I'll bold them for ya. Some are cards you already own so they are "cheap")...we can talk more about it later if you like.
- Bloodgift Demon
- Liliana's Reaver
- Reiver Demon
- Vampire Hexmage
- Diabolic Tutor
- Sign in Blood
- Ghost Quarter
- Commander's Sphere
- Swiftfoot Boots
- Sudden Spoiling
- Tragic Slip
- Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath
- Syphon Mind
- Diabolic Revelation
- Bloodthrone Vampire
- Ob Nixilis, Unshackled
- Reaper from the Abyss
- Overseer of the Damned
- 3 Swamp
- Strip Mine
- Deserted Temple
- Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
- Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
- Living Death
- Decree of Pain
- Phyrexian Arena
- Ashnod's Altar
- Phyrexian Altar
- Altar of Dementia
- Nim Deathmantle
- Grave Pact
- Reassembling Skeleton
- Phyrexian Plaguelord
- Graveborn Muse
- Vampiric Tutor
- Sadistic Hypnotist
- Viscera Seer
- Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
- Sidisi, Undead Vizier
- Solemn Simulacrum
- Sheoldred, Whispering One
1 month ago
1 month ago
Other cards to consider:
Obviously some/most of these cards will be horrible in your deck, but others you may want. Pick and choose.
2 months ago
-1 Liliana's Reaver - nice creature, but didn't do much politicking aside from being a deathtouchy beatstick
+1 Fumiko the Lowblood - forces your opponents to attack each turn if able, which directly futhers your goal of making your opponents kill each other
-1 Pestilent Kathari - I liked the flying deathtouch with potential first strike, but, like the Reaver, it didn't do much politicking
+1 Maddening Imp - much more political--forcing an opponent to attack or lose creatures. Best of all, if it's down to just you and one other player, and you have several Ghostly Prison effects out such that they can't pay enough to attack with all their creatures, it can effectively act as a one-sided board wipe.
2 months ago
I have a few suggestions. Have you thought about Bounce Lands such as Dimir Aqueduct or Everglades and Coral Atoll. That way you could reuse your Vivid lands or gain extra life from Dismal Backwater or Jwar Isle Refuge. If money isn't too tight, you should think about adding Cavern of Souls to protect your zombies. I run it in my Rat EDH deck.
Since this is a heavy zombie theme you might want to think of running some tribal boosters such as Door of Destinies, Obelisk of Urd, Cemetery Reaper, Death Baron, Diregraf Captain, Lord of the Undead, Risen Executioner
Some other cards that are my top picks for zombie style decks are Army of the Damned, Curse of Shallow Graves, Dark Salvation, Empty the Pits, Feeding Frenzy, From Under the Floorboards, Gempalm Polluter, Grimoire of the Dead, Lich Lord of Unx, Liliana's Reaver, Overseer of the Damned
I would also recommend having at least 8 mana producing cards outside of mana. The Dimir Cluestone and Keyrune are great mana accelerators.
I do love where you are going with this deck. Zombie tribal is one of the best out there next to Slivers and Vampires in my mind. Being Black and Blue you have so many options to go with it is hard to choose. I have been thinking of doing a Gisa and Geralf EDH deck myself, but I just cannot shy away from my project. I must complete my Rat EDH before I start building any other EDH decks. Good luck with your deck, and if you need any suggestions on what I would take out or other cards; let me know and I could try to help you.