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Liliana's Reaver Discussion
5 days ago
i think, since you are doing a budget mono-black, you could try to do a control-ish deck... let me show the cards i would suggest:
Mire's Toll - this one in the mid-late game is very nice if your opponent is holding cards in hand. In the first turns it become "discard a card", but it's power hits a peak on the 3rd-5th turn and overall it is a nice discard card
Liliana's Specter hits for 2 and in the early turns it is bothersome for your opponent to deal with. Plus, 2 devotion! YAY!
Ravenous Rats i think is an interesting card: you can trade it with small fry on combat (or at least it is a blocker). Plus, again, discard your opponent, b*tch! :v
Liliana's Reaver i like this card. never seen a modern competitive play it, but. well. i like it, ok?
Geth's Verdict, this is so cool against decks that usually have a single fatty on the field.
Crystal Ball, i don't really know about this one. i think if you ever run this card, it would be nice to be a 1-of, i think. it is budget and kinda gives you a card advantage on which card you'll draw.
Duress, you yourself put it in the current version of the deck, and i think you did it because you know how powerful this card is. enough said.
Smother takes out pretty much any decent creature in modern. I mean... it is kinda a creature-only version of Abrupt Decay. Your opponent may still counter it, but DANG! 2 mana, takes out SO MANY STUFF.
Doom Blade is very nice as well, takes out MANY THINGS
Bojuka Bog is cool for a 1-of in the maindeck
Victim of the night takes down many stuff too
Gatekeeper of Malakir is a pain to deal with
Despise is nice depending on the metagame you are dealing with
Augur of Skulls seems interesting on some lists
Dismember is one of the best removals in a mono-black list. since you can use it with only 1 land untapped
Drown in Sorrow is an excelent board sweeper with a scry bonus.
Memoricide i've seen it being played in competitive modern decks.
Disfigure sees a lot of play as well.
Corrupt can be a win-condition
Tendrils of Corruption can be used to destroy some things and replenish a little life.
Tombstalker isn't exactly budget, but it still is a nice finisher. or you could use Desecration Demon as well, i guess. But the Squelching Leeches are nice too. maybe do a 2-1 for Squelching Leeches and Nightmare since the later has flying.
ANYWAY, that's just an idea i'm giving. I'm basing it on many similar Mono-Blacks i've seen playing modern on a budget. And the decks i've seen would be as strong as Tier 2. which is pretty amazing for a budget deck.
Goooooooooood Luck and ask away if you got any questions
1 week ago
Liliana's Reaver would be a pretty good addition in my opinion. Efficient 4/3 deathtouch in both price and mana cost.
1 week ago
Hi Chickenflaps. Just so you know, this deck is not Modern legal because Dark Ritual is not in Modern. I noticed you have this deck labeled as Modern, so I thought you should know.
Assuming you want this deck to be played in modern, I have several suggestions.
Army of the Damned is certainly a powerful card, but at that cost, it's more for EDH than anything else. If you're entering a tournament, it's not likely that you'll pull that off. If you're playing just with your friends and it works for you, cool. I play the card too and love it, but then again I am playing it in EDH and not Modern.
When I built Zombies, I built it with blue included, because then I get access to Grimgrin, Corpse-Born. Look at how beastly he is! Look at that amazing synergy with Gravecrawler! The deck I made turned out to be an aggressive sacrifice-centric strategy. I played cards with undying like Butcher Ghoul and Geralf's Messenger as well as the Mikaeus, the Unhallowed you're playing so that when I sacrificed a creature, they just come back even bigger. Then, I was able to comfortably play this Grimgrin strategy, as well as a couple others like Altar's Reap and Demonmail Hauberk. To magnify that, I also played Blood Artist (yeah, he's not a zombie, but whatever) and Diregraf Captain to pressure my opponent's life total when these zombies died. As well, I was playing four Mutavaults, so even if I got field wiped, I could animate mutavault and then cast Gravecrawler from my graveyard. Sac Gravecrawler to Demonmail Hauberk to equip to mutavault and swing for 6. It was relentless. I even ran Bloodghast just because it's very strong at recurring (again, I didn't care that it wasn't a zombie). Blue also allowed for me to play a pretty aggressive counterspell in the form of Countersquall.
That said, I think you're probably trying a more token-spamming strategy here that doesn't splash blue, and that's okay too. I think that honestly, Liliana's Reaver isn't very strong, and I think that Undead Warchief is probably the one that should be a four-of. Think about Cellar Door for a moment. You pay two mana to put it out, and then three more mana to try for its ability, and it might net you a creature in your graveyard, which will grant you a single 2/2 zombie. 5 mana MIGHT get you a 2/2 zombie? That card, while it is thematic, is honestly more harm than good.
I'd like to take a brief moment and talk about Grimoire of the Dead. This card is a really cool card, very thematic. Anytime you have a card that doing something with counters, usually you're not using that card to its fullest potential unless you're abusing counters in some way. For example, you could heavily abuse this card by playing Contagion Engine and proliferating those study counters twice. Without that abuse, Grimoire is a 4 mana artifact that will cost you three cards in hand and 3 mana over 3 turns for what might be a really powerful effect. Sure, you could be discard creature cards and those might get reanimated with this artifact, but what if your opponent plays Naturalize after you've spent all those cards in your hand, all that mana and all that time? Grimoire can be powerful, but if you're not legitimately abusing how the mechanics work by rushing counters onto it or untapping it with other effects to speed up the clock on it, it's probably not fast enough for most games. Consider the difference if you just played Sheoldred, Whispering One.
Zombie Apocalypse seems strong if you set it up properly, but I don't feel like you're milling quite fast enough. and you're kind of going for a token theme, so a lot of cards that you are milling aren't even targets. I'm not going to say its bad, but this deck could certainly be more equipped to break it.
Going with a lot of tokens, I'd be considering adding white to the deck for cards like Intangible Virtue and other buffs for tokens. It's nice to have a theme with both actual zombie nontoken creatures and lots of zombie tokens, but going one way or the other is almost always going to result in a more effective strategy. Make sure not to take ALL of my suggestions. Each suggestion I've made sort of appeals to a different overarching strategy. Try to find a strategy you like, and try to think synergy and breaking mechanics.
1 month ago
Hey! we talked earlier and I had a Tron wreck that turned into a train wreck... Anyway.. changed the deck to a BW tokens.. and any suggestions would be amazing... thinking about adding some cards.. (Army of the Damned,Mardu Strike Leader maybe Oona, Queen of the Fae Phyrexian Processor Waste Not Spirit Cairn Precinct Captain Liliana's Reaver but not sure where to go (im a rookie) and really am looking to learn! Would love some guidance and teaching! Thanks for the time!
2 months ago
Dang, dat Undead Alchemist though, haha. Ideally I'd like to run solid black, I guess for the novelty if nothing more. Otherwise, amazing card suggestions! Liliana's Reaver looks beast too. Definitely would like to pair w/Grave Titan! But I'm a little afraid this deck is wide open to flyers, haha. Any suggestions?
2 months ago
:P Well, we all were novices at one point.
Endless Ranks of the Dead is amazing. I would also look into:
If you splash in blue:
These are some casual, non competitive suggestions:)
Dami on Friday 13th
2 months ago
Once again thanks for your comments and suggestions but Im happy with the current way this deck is working for me, so I don't have plans to mess around with the creatures count on it. But since Im still in the process of build its sideboard and I also plan Update the main deck further in future I went through your suggestions and this is my point of view on them:
- Lord of the Undead has been in my sideboard since the beginning so nothing to think about here.
- Cemetery Reaper I already tested it before but since I only want one pump on my sideboard I prefer Lord of the Undead ability over Cemetery Reaper
- Geralf's Messenger has great combo potential but as I already referred in a previous post I want keep this deck as simple as possible without going to deep into combos so just for that reason I will not add it to this deck.
- Since this is a more or less thematic deck Gutless Ghoul is just out of place as you normally don't think of zombies as a mid-source of life gain.
- Nantuko Husk seems like would combo well Gravecrawler and would become an even better if I further add Grave Pact to it. This two will probably be good candidates to this deck sideboard as a way to add more in-game dynamics / features to it.
- I think Liliana's Reaver is a ok creature in general but I play in an environment where burn is the most common threat so I can only see those 3 toughness as a rod to Lightning Bolt.
- I don't own any Korlash, Heir to Blackblade at the moment but if I can get my hands on a few of them on the future I will test it on this deck.
2 months ago
happy to hear you had positive experience with dash dopes
I forgot that manifested cards can only be flipped if they are creatures. so saying no to sultai emissary makes sense
after giving the deck another look it doesn't seem like you have a lot of ways to get Haakon into the graveyard, so he might not as good of a suggestion as i initially thought, since he cant be cast from the hand
If you ever want to up your creature count, here are a couple more suggestions (better then my previous ones) =P
Liliana's Reaver 4/3 deathtouch, discard and create more zombies upon combat dmg, cant go wrong there
Korlash, Heir to Blackblade I've never used him before, but he seems like he can get big fast, and I've always appreciated the grandeur mechanic for legendary creatures
|Power / Toughness||4/3|
|Avg. draft pick||1.55|
|Avg. cube pick||1.81|
|Commander / EDH||Legal|
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- Dauthi Embrace + Liliana's Reaver
- Liliana's Reaver + Rogue's Passage
- Herald of Torment + Liliana's Reaver
- Liliana's Reaver + Whip of Erebos
- Deviant Glee + Liliana's Reaver
- Liliana's Reaver + Tymaret, the Murder King
- Augur of Skulls + Liliana's Reaver + Waste Not
- Liliana's Reaver + Typhoid Rats
- Grave Titan + Liliana's Reaver
- Liliana's Reaver + Stolen Identity