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Creature — Zombie
Whenever Liliana's Reaver deals combat damage to a player, that player discards a card and you put a 2/2 black Zombie creature token onto the battlefield tapped.
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Liliana's Reaver Discussion
3 weeks ago
Deathtouch works wonderfully together with trample (you only need to asign 1 point of damage to the defender and trample the rest), so cards like Overrun would be a nice finisher in the deck. Revenge of the Hunted is a nice alternative/redundancy to Destined / Lead
Frist strike and deathtouch is also a broken combination: Glissa, the Traitor is absolutely badass because he already has the combo on herself and her triggered will help you retrieve some of your important artifacts. Equipments that give you first strike are also a good choice Chariot of Victory , Bladed Pinions , Sword of Vengeance ...
Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons and Pharika, God of Affliction create more deathtouchers. Hapatra may need some help to get through, but Pharika is pretty good on her own, your deck already has a lot of creatures, and it can be used also as graveyard hate if needed.
1 month ago
2 ways I would build SG on a budget:
Zombie token makers ( Liliana's Reaver ) + Zombie Token lords ( Eternal Skylord ) + kill spells ( Go for the Throat ); since SG makes zombie tokens you can kill an opponent's best creature, reanimate it, and it will get buffed. You will proactively make zombies for offense/defense while reactively killing problem creatures and turning them into your minions.
Strong enter-the-battlefield trigger creatures ( Plaguecrafter ) + Arcane Adaptation + kill spells ( Murder ); since SG makes a token of the exiled creature, being able to get a second trigger is great. With AA you obviously name "zombies" and now all your creatures boost SG' upkeep trigger. You are controlling opponents through your creatures entering the battlefield while, again, you are using kill spells to get rid of threatening creatures you want to turn into zombies.
2 other viable routes, though less 'zombie,' are discard via spells ( Syphon Mind ) and creatures ( Liliana's Specter ) to which you reanimate creatures your opponents' discard & mill via creatures ( Consuming Aberration ) and spells ( Mind Grind ).
You chose a lot of good zombies but I would ask whether they are good enough that you would reanimate? While SG promotes creatures, I would not forget about relevant zombie-focused spells. Ex. Apprentice Necromancer is cute but I would cut it for Cemetery Recruitment since it draws a card too or Ghoulcaller's Chant which grabs 2 back.
I would add more card advantage ( Ambition's Cost , Ancient Craving , Live Fast ) and ramp ( Mind Stone , Dimir Cluestone , Seer's Lantern ). I would shoot 10+ sources of each because nothing is less fun than not being able to cast your spells and top-decking.
The inclusion of Paradox Haze is a great idea!
2 months ago
Dedicated zombie tribal could be cool, and it seems you're already headed in that direction, so I'd check for any specific zombie lords you're missing ( Lord of the Undead for example) if you want to pursue that direction for your deck.
As for specific adds and subtracts;
Subtracts; Killing Wave (people will just pay the life for what they want to keep, I'd replace this with Torment of Hailfire or Exsanguinate or an actual board wipe). Bontu's Last Reckoning almost makes you skip your entire next turn just so you can cast Damnation for one less mana. I'd recommend Mutilate over it if anything. Cruel Edict is bad, Liliana's Triumph and various other cards are much better for this effect, probably including Innocent Blood . Liliana's Elite is probably mediocre most of the time, Liliana's Reaver is just bad. Graveyard Marshal isn't actually great for zombies, there are lots of better ways to make zombie tokens if you want. I wouldn't recommend him. Desecration Demon will probably never be useful in EDH so I wouldn't recommend him, if your opponents really can't just handle taking the 6 damage to the face in the air then they'll definitely just have a creature to sacrifice to stop it. Its not a good card in EDH at all unfortunately. I think Greed or Erebos, God of the Dead > Arguel's Blood Fast Flip. Also, I wouldn't recommend some of your planeswalkers; i love liliana but some of those cards are downright useless in EDH (if you manage to do a single thing with Liliana, Death Wielder I'd be shocked).
Add; Dictate of Erebos ( Grave Pact with flash). Dark Prophecy , Midnight Reaper and various other similar effects to help you draw more (which I think your deck will want to do, and black has a million options for drawing cards, especially when things die). Definitely Corpse Augur and Graveborn Muse too. Toxic Deluge is also a better board wipe than most of your removal. I'd probably recommend Stitcher's Apprentice as well, to help you get some cards in your graveyard. I'll think of more if you want, there's such a wide variety of cards to use in black zombies.
Also, your deck has multiple tutors, but not really any obvious win conditions to look for. Can you tell me what you think you'll be tutoring for most of the time? I'd say Gray Merchant of Asphodel as its probably your strongest card, but you also don't have much reanimation to back it up a lot of the time.
4 months ago
You have a lot of sorceries. They're not necessarily bad, but they are taking up space where zombies could be. You can get rid of innocent blood (use fleshbag marauder instead), aether snap, twilight's call, life's finale
You don't really need vensor's journal or whispersilk cloak. You don't really have big creatures that do anything on combat damage to a player.
For instants I think tendrils of corruption, grasp of darkness, murder, go for the throat, and doom blade do well in mono black
And you got some jank creatures. What is that vulture? no. No dross hopper, no gangrenous zombies, no zombie brute, gutless ghoul is kind of crap, you have a lot of things with activated abilities and I just don't think you're going to be using them that much.
You also don't have card draw. You have a sign in blood and that's it really. Black has some good pay with life card draw cards.
You have the sanguine bond/exquisite blood combo, but your sanguine bond is completely useless. You don't gain any life except from vensor's journal and you don't have much card draw, so it's not going to do much.
Good zombie cards to add: Fleshbag Marauder (so good with mikaeus) Ghoulcaller Gisa Ghoulraiser Graf Harvest Grave Betrayal Grave Defiler Graveborn Muse Gravecrawler Infernal Caretaker josu vess Liliana's Mastery Lord of the Accursed Maalfeld Twins Necromancer's Stockpile Necromantic Selection Noosegraf Mob Open the Graves Grave Titan Liliana's Reaver Cadaver Imp Corpse Connoisseur Accursed Horde Archdemon of Unx cemetary recruitment Cryptbreaker Diregraf Colossus Doomed Dissenter Empty the Pits (is hilarious) Ever After Overseer of the Damned Plague Belcher Rakshasa Gravecaller Relentless Dead Risen Executioner Rot Hulk Shepherd of Rot Stir the Sands Zombie Infestation
I think I have some of these. You can have them if I do
5 months ago
Cool deck man! Looks like you're into discard quite a bit here. Definitely wouldn't want to mess with what you like, but I can absolutely name a few cards for mono black that are better when graveyards are huge. Here are a few in no particular order. All of these should be on the cheaper end of the spectrum.
Nyxathid , Nighthowler , Hypnotic Specter , Liliana's Reaver , Shrieking Affliction , Persecute , and Isochron Scepter . That last one is a bit steeper, but it would let you reuse instant and sorcery cards for even more constant discarding.
Good luck with the building!
6 months ago
Also, Rogue's Passage is a pretty decent land if you can't get in easily.
Finally, Sepulchral Primordial can get some value from those discarded cards.
6 months ago
Door of Destinies I’d say was slightly better than Coat of Arms because it only affects your creatures, I would definitely recommend Ghoulcaller Gisa just really good for token spam remove forgoten creation , Liliana's Reaver, Raving Dead for power Dictate of Erebos Grave Pact for board control, due to the balance of high black compared to blue I’d recommend Cabal Coffers and Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth for a lot of mana, I’d recommend since your blue black running more board wipes like Cyclonic Rift DamnationDecree of Pain, Patriarch's Bidding for more reanimation, EDH staples like Sol Ring are useful for mana ramp,Grave Betrayal for stealing other creatures, since you run blue black more card draw is needed so things like Rhystic Study and Phyrexian Arena
6 months ago
You are right TheGeneralAdvisor, but i don't think I'm running enough creatures for that idea. It's an idea and it's a good one but I'm gonna pass on it for the fact that i could do the killing myself with a board wipe. A kill spell, or Plaguecrafter effect. Otherwise I'll just keep swinging with it, till they kill it. But what do you think about adding in Phyrexian Obliterator in place of Liliana's Reaver
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