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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
|Commander: Rule 0||Legal|
|Pauper Duel Commander||Legal|
Enchantment — Aura
Enchanted creature loses all abilities and has base power and toughness 1/1.
5 months ago
Thanks for commenting, Lord_of_Cardboard!
This deck would do exceptionally well against a Kroxa, Titan of Death's Hunger deck. This is for the same reason that cards like Jace's Archivist do so well in the deck: if you have have Muldrotha on the battlefield, any cards you discard might as well still be in your hand cause you can simply replay them from your graveyard. If anything, an opposing Kroxa player is almost helping you by disrupting your other opponents' hands.
As for a budget version of the deck, here's some advice on budget options and replacements. Just note that this is advice specific to my Muldrotha deck, i.e., advice for the big mana and big X-spell strategy. If you'd rather play a more typical creature-based, swing-to-kill type deck, there may be better Muldrotha lists to look at.
The mana base makes up a large portion of the deck's budget, and I would leave that mostly up to your own discretion. Just keep in mind that fetch lands like Evolving Wilds and slow fetches like Bad River are good for being replayed every turn with Muldrotha. Also, for a budget version of the deck, it's important to run more basics than I do since you'll probably need to fetch more with your ramp. Cycle lands like Lonely Sandbar, Tranquil Thicket, and Barren Moor are fantastic, especially with Life from the Loam. Some other good options:
Which brings me to another point: if I had to pick one somewhat expensive card that's worth putting in a budget Muldrotha deck, it's this one. It's a one-card value engine, giving you card draw, mill, and lands. And depending on what utility lands you choose to run, it can do a whole lot more. And if you're worried about Kroxa in your meta, Life from the Loam is a great counter to it, allowing you to fill your hand with lands to discard.
Now to address key cards for the deck's "big mana" strategy. Important cards for generating a lot of mana include Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, Cabal Coffers, Dryad of the Ilysian Grove, Crypt Ghast, and Nyxbloom Ancient. You could just replace these cards with normal ramp; casting X-spells for X=10 is still good and easy to accomplish without these cards. If that's unsatisfying for you, you could consider options like Zendikar Resurgent and Mana Reflection. Unfortunately there aren't many great cheap options for producing a lot of mana. This is an important part of the deck though, so it's up to you if it's worth spending some extra money on it.
To avoid this comment being any more lengthy than it already is, here's an extensive list of some budget alternatives for the deck. The great thing about Muldrotha is that being able to replay removal makes a lot of sub-par removal actually pretty good, so it's pretty budget friendly.
Win-Conditions: What's in the deck isn't too expensive, but here's some cheaper options.
- Mass Manipulation
- Gelatinous Genesis
- Mind Grind
- Hydra Broodmaster
- Other hydras (there's lots of them)
- Plaguecrafter / Demon's Disciple
- Seal of Doom / Shriekmaw / Executioner's Capsule
- Night Incarnate
- Outland Liberator Flip
- Thrashing Brontodon
- Kenrith's Transformation / Frogify / Kasmina's Transmutation
- Vraska the Unseen / Ob Nixilis Reignited
- Sidisi's Faithful
Draw / Mill:
- Vessel of Nascency
- Satyr Wayfinder
- Tatyova, Benthic Druid
- Mirror-Mad Phantasm
- Dreamborn Muse
- River Kelpie
- Witching Well
- Courier's Capsule
- Omen of the Sea
- Fact or Fiction
- Forgotten Creation
- Kiora, Master of the Depths
- Springbloom Druid
- Burnished Hart
- Dawntreader Elk
- Diligent Farmhand
- Kodama's Reach
- Wayfarer's Bauble
- Font of Fertility
- Omen of the Hunt
- Yavimaya Elder
- Kiora, the Crashing Wave
Control and other good stuff:
- Zur's Weirding
- Siren Stormtamer
- Drown in the Loch
- Elephant Grass
- Scribe of the Mindful
- Malakir Rebirth Flip
- Raven's Crime
- Malevolent Hermit Flip
- Energy Flux
- Other counterspells
If you have any other questions about budget options, let me know. I'm always happy to help!
8 months ago
Kasmina's Transmutation is another great removal spell for a frog tribal deck.
1 year ago
Some aura-based interaction could be cool to include here, and there are a lot of options: Song of the Dryads , Darksteel Mutation , Reprobation , Frogify , Kasmina's Transmutation , Lignify , Mystic Subdual , Heliod's Punishment , Imprisoned in the Moon , Ichthyomorphosis , Deep Freeze , Minimus Containment , Faith Unbroken , Disruption Aura , Mark of Eviction
1 year ago
So I've been working on integrating most of the cards from your version of this deck with my version, and there are a few I was using or considering that you might not have thought of.
First, some of my favorite spells for Commander are what I call 'erasure' spot removal auras. These are mostly found in W/B/G, with most in Blue. The blue ones that I use are: Frogify , Kasmina's Transmutation , Ichthyomorphosis , Deep Freeze and Imprisoned in the Moon . As you can see, these don't just kick a commander off the field, they completely neuter it. With the exception of Imprisoned, they're also dirt cheap. The only catch is they don't cantrip. Notably, Deep Freeze and Imprisoned in the Moon both remove a commander's ability to attack, where the other three do not - a Frogified commander is still a commander and can still kill you if it does enough damage. Fun fact: the whole 'imprison the evil goddess in the moon' plotline is the premise for the first two episodes of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. MTG totally ripped off MLP.
Squelch , Stifle and Trickbind are all counter-ability instead of counter-spell. Stifle and Trickbind might be out of budget range for this deck, though Trickbind is worth noting because it has Split Second.
Clear the Mind is a nice failsafe in case our win conditions wind up in our GY and it cantrips!
Mystical Dispute only costs as long as it targets a blue spell, i.e. a hostile counterspell or Cyclonic Rift. Daze is a nice ambush counterspell because you can cast it with no open mana. Was wondering why you didn't include that one.
Unsubstantiate can effectively counter un-counterable spells by bouncing them to the caster's hand. Narset's Reversal is a fancier version of this which lets us theoretically defend our combo spells. If an opponent tries to counter our Mass Polymorph or Synthetic Destiny, we can copy it, forcing them to counterspell it an additional time (the copy) and then another time on the next turn (when we recast it from hand) if they want to stop it. Narset's Reversal I see might be out of budget though.
I was wondering why you weren't running Temple of the False God .
I thought Rise from the Tides would be an interesting card in this deck, though it might be the kind of thing you use only when desperate...
Finally, Mystic Speculation seems like it might be useful, and same for Soothsaying . The latter lets you dig through your library as long as you have mana, and shuffle it at will, though that second part is expensive, mana wise.
I look forward to seeing your thoughts on these. I need to figure out which cards to cut, so don't be shy about ripping into them if they seem bad.
1 year ago
VampDemigod, I have no problem with Kasmina's Transmutation, because it is an aura, which means that a player can destroy it and restore the creature to its original form, but an instant or sorcery that does that cannot be undone, so that does not feel blue, to me.
user:MCat1999, thank you, very much; this issue has been bothering me for some time, so I wished to make a thread about it.
1 year ago
I will say, I feel that pongify is essentially just another way of creating Kasmina's Transmutation-type effects, which are solidly blue, so I do feel that those cards are justifiable, but I wish they had been created as enchantments instead of instants/sorceries, purely to see 1: the way they’d format it and 2: less pushback on the effects.
Let’s face it, if pongify was just an aura with flash that turned a creature into a 3/3 green ape, people wouldn’t go insane about “this is breaking the color pie”. I’m not saying your points aren’t valid, they are completely valid. I feel that wizards should have created the cards in ways that held true to blue’s core concepts while still having these effects, which are very important in giving Blue the removal it needs.
1 year ago
Ok for your opponents
- Kasmina's Transmutation
- Fowl Play if your playgroup allows it
- Deep Freeze
- Imprisoned in the Moon
- Kenrith's Transformation
- One with the Stars
- Mystic Subdual
- Darksteel Mutation
- Song of the Dryads
So there are a series of cards from Stronghold, Exodus, and Tempest. They are creatures that transform into auras and can transform back to creatures. And they also fit the "jank" this deck has.
2 years ago
Control Magic, Chamber of Manipulation, Parasitic Impetus, Abduction, Confiscate, corrupted conscious, Dream Leash, incase in ice, Enslave, Faith Unbroken, In Bolas's Clutches, Infinite Reflection, Lay Claim, Leaden Fists, Mind Control, Persuasion, Prison Term, Spectral Grasp, Spirit Away, take posession, Treachery, Vow of Duty, Vow of Flight, Vow of Lightning, vow of malace, Vow of Wildness, Weight of Conscience, Winter's Rest, Yavimaya's Embrace, Arrest, Bonds of Faith, Bound by Moonsilver, Bound in Silence, Cage of Hands, Cagemail, Captured by the Consulate, Caught in the Brights, Cessation, Choking Restraints, Crystallization, Demonic Torment, Desert's Hold, Dreadful Apathy, Faith's Fetters, Forced Worship, Hobble, Ice Cage, Kirtar's Desire, Krasis Incubation, Lawmage's Binding, Luminous Bonds, One Thousand Lashes, Pacifism, Pillory of the Sleepless, Recumbent Bliss, Revoke Privileges, Capture Sphere, Castaway's Despair, Charmed Sleep, Claustrophobia, Encrust, Malfunction, Mystic Restraints, Numbing Dose, Shackles, Sleep Paralysis, Stasis Cell, Unquenchable Thirst, Waterknot, Martial Impetus, Predatory Impetus, Psychic Impetus, shinny impetus, Darksteel Mutation, Deep Freeze, Frogify, Ichthyomorphosis, Imprisoned in the Moon, Kasmina's Transmutation, kenrith's transmutation, Lignify, One with the Stars, Reprobation, Song of the Dryads
and that's just auras