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|Shadows over Innistrad (SOI)||Uncommon|
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Rise from the Tides
Create a tapped 2/2 black Zombie creature token for each instant and sorcery card in your graveyard.
Rise from the Tides Discussion
2 weeks ago
While I like the deck, could you please elaborate on why exactly you would need cards like Rise from the Tides or even the drakes? Especially when you can just outright win with the infinite copy you were originally intending (and counter whatever your opponents try to do against it). And I also don't see the point in having so many draw spells when everything you need is already in your command zone. Maybe add more burn spells instead?
2 weeks ago
So I'm not entirely sure how you play to win with Laboratory Maniac or Jace, Wielder of Mysteries . All the builds I've had with those cards use Demonic Consultation or Tainted Pact to exile their library, but I'm not sure how you plan to do that here outside using Sensei's Divining Top . I'm assuming I'm missing something. However, I've found that usually only one of those effects is necessary, so I'd consider cutting one of them (probably the Laboratory Maniac , as Jace, Wielder of Mysteries has applicability even if you're not going off).
Typically in EDH, I try to run around 33 or 34 lands. I've never been impressed with Halimar Depths , mainly because it ETBs tapped and blue has better top-deck manipulation in the form of Brainstorm , Ponder , Preordain and the like. So Halimar Depths is another card I'd consider cutting.
I've never been impressed with the card Dream Cache . It rearranges the cards in your hand, but it doesn't provide any card advantage for three mana; if it were one or even two mana, I'd consider it. But as things stand, I recommend cutting it. Portent is another card I'd cut. The delayed draw is really significantly worse than an immediate draw, and I don't think you need all of the possible one-mana cantrips.
Most of your instant spells have only or in their mana cost; therefore, redundant cost-reducers don't do much. Baral, Chief of Compliance and Sapphire Medallion are an excellent cards, but I don't think Primal Amulet Flip or Curious Homunculus Flip are quite good enough. I do see that Capsize gets a BIG bonus from several cost-reducers, but I don't think that's quite a good enough reason to run as many as you do. Arcane Melee would be my first card to cut, simply because it's symmetrical, and you're effectively ramping your opponents. I suggest running ramp like Coldsteel Heart , Sky Diamond and Mind Stone , as these tend to be cheaper than cost-reduces and the first two generate blue mana. These have the added bonus of being rocks to use with the dramatic scepter combo.
I think you're running slightly too much spot removal. Kasmina's Transmutation is good, as are all of your bounce spells, but I think running more than 3 or 4 is too much. So I'd suggest cutting Into the Roil or Blink of an Eye . Typically, trading one-for-ones in EDH isn't great, as you usually have three opponents.
I'd cut Rise from the Tides . I feel like just having a Talrand, Sky Summoner is good enough for this effect, and Rise from the Tides creates the tokens tapped for more mana than it's typically worth. Similarly, you may want to cut Docent of Perfection Flip.
I'd cut Rewind . Four mana is a lot to leave up at the end of your turn, especially since mono-blue doesn't exactly have an abundance of ramp magic. You have plenty of two-mana counters.
Swiftfoot Boots is a card I'd consider cutting. I don't think your general, while powerful, is going to draw the same amount of removal as Arcum Dagsson or Zur the Enchanter , so I think your counter-magic should be enough to protect you.
Generally, in combo decks, you want to focus in on the combo and tutoring it out. Whir of Invention and Reshape are worth considering as methods to tutor out Isochron Scepter ; I see you already have a lot of ways to tutor the Dramatic Reversal . I advise cutting out the cards in your deck that are not focused in on fetching and resolving that combo, as these will speed up your deck and make you a more potent threat earlier in the game.
2 months ago
Thank you for your input and apologies for the reply! Definitely happy with Sol Ring , Reliquary Tower and I love Academy Elite . Thinking a go-wide win condition with the likes of Rise from the Tides , Talrand, Sky Summoner and maybe Young Pyromancer .
3 months ago
Killzun Thanks for the comments. I do like Unsubstantiate but I don't think it fits well with my deck. I think it takes up the slot of a spell that I want in the deck. This does absolutely work though. As for Rise from the Tides , I think that it suffers from the problem of not doing anything if there aren't spells in the GY. I personally play with folks who exile and shuffle GY's into libraries and this card will suffer from that. However, if you aren't seeing those things happening in your playgroup this card is great.
oliveoilonyaasscureshemorrhoid I took a look at your deck. Looks great. I think Noyan Dar can be built loads of ways that will work. Mine is absolutely not the end all be all. I just know that it does well and will win out of nowhere. I think the combo card you're looking for is Clockspinning . This absolutely does what you want. I have not play tested it but I know that Ender666666 has based on his deck They see me Roilin', I'm Shapin'....
Ender666666 I have not played it but my buddy does. So are you essentially just exiling one of your animated lands with Vanish into Memory to draw cards and then not discard lands since it just comes back as a land?
3 months ago
3 months ago
Solid points. One thing I've lost in the switch to this build is the ability to play cheap Wraths like Winds of Rath and Slaughter the Strong . Was trying to compensate for that loss in the mid-game by holding up bounce/counter to keep opponents in check. Probably not worth giving up consistency or budget for that, though. I know some of the card draw is awful, so perhaps investing a little more in that at the cost of some of the 20 cent cards is worth it. I'll probably keep the 2-mana equipment and ditch any rock over 15 cents, just being okay with running slower. Took out Rise from the Tides , as well. I guess we're all in, no backup plan, but it's $10, so yolo. I might go down to 3 or 4 pieces of fixing, but this deck really needs a little, at least, since it needs to reliably have 4 red sources to activate Shu Yun's ability and cast a couple of pump spells, as well as a blue source to cast the commander.
3 months ago
Okay so I've got some time, let's get into this...
1) I think Shu-Yun is an interesting choice for a budget commander because he relies on killing opponents quickly, but with budget decks, you're going to be winning much later in the game. He's also interesting because he focuses on quick combat instead of really building up a boardstate. I think the first thing to do would be to abolish the idea of a turn 4-6 win, decks like ours are going to try and grind out the game with cheap removal and synergy, waiting for the right time to strike. Maybe the problem is that the deck wants to win too fast and the budget can't compensate for that, just my idea.
2)You should probably cut the uncommons, things like Invert/Invent, Jace's Ingenuity , Rush of Blood (even though this card is super cool and I'm going to put in one of my other decks), Concentrate , Rise from the Tides , Butcher's Cleaver , Hero's Blade , Inquisitor's Flail , Vessel of Endless Rest , Illusory Ambusher , Smelt-Ward Minotaur , and Whirler Rogue . While these cards are awesome in the deck, they're a huge deficit to your budget and cutting them is 12 less cards. I've found that with a budget like this, it's best to cut to $0.15 commons. Will it be as fast? No. Will it be $10 or under? Yes.
3)Have you considered building from the bottom up? Instead of adjusting my previous commanders, I usually just pull out a fresh sheet of paper and start from there. I feel that it opens up more gateways for deckbuilding and instead of having to cut expensive cards, you can decide which cards to add one at a time. Cutting is also just kind of negative and personally I feel a lot happier seeing: "this card is so sweet for $0.15!" Instead of: "Ugh I can't run this card because it's over budget." This could just be me of course.
4) As for specific cuts, here's what I'd take out(excluding the uncommons I pointed out earlier): Artificer's Epiphany : There are better draw spells out there; Contradict : Again, there are better spells; Depths of Desire : Generally, I dislike bounce, even in Red/Blue but this spell just isn't good, especially when you want to cast Shu Yun on turn 3; Enhanced Awareness : Way too expensive for the effect; Leave in the Dust : From your comments, it seems like you want to win faster, so I would cut these mana-intensive bounce spells so you can run cantrips, also Unsummon is $0.15 on SCG; Prying Eyes : yeah this card is just objectively bad in my opinion, even for a $10 deck; Repulse : Same thing I said before about bounce spells, the card draw isn't worth paying more mana; Scatter Arc : I feel like a lot of the bounce/counterspells are in this deck because they say "Draw a card" paying 2 more mana for a negate that draws you a card is not with it, you could do more with that two extra mana. Sweep Away : Yeah this is way too conditional to actually work out; Aether Tunnel : Yes I know you said you wanted to keep this, but playing it makes Shu Yun a huge target and it's budget intensive. Skygames : This enchantment is okay, but It's definitely not great, especially when compared to your other auras; Highland Lake and Izzet Boilerworks : Yes I know it's important to have mana, but running basics gives you more choices. That's pretty much all I've got for now on cuts.
I wish you the best of luck, but I'm about to pass out so goodnight, I hope this made sense!
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