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Legendary Creature — Orc Warrior
Zurgo Helmsmasher attacks each turn if able.
Zurgo Helmsmasher has indestructible as long as it's your turn.
Whenever a creature dealt damage by Zurgo Helmsmasher dies this turn, put a +1/+1 counter on Zurgo Helmsmasher. (Dying is being put into the graveyard from the battlefield. Tokens enter the graveyard before they cease to exist.)
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2 weeks ago
Still trying to figure out how to post here, lol.
Here's the deck list, hopefully!
1 Ankle Shanker 1 Arrow Storm 1 Bloodfell Caves 2 Borderland Marauder 1 Bring Low 1 Carrion Crow 1 Crippling Blight 1 Flesh to Dust 2 Goblin Roughrider 1 Heat Ray 1 Hordeling Outburst 1 Kill Shot 1 Lightning Strike 1 Mardu Blazebringer 1 Mardu Charm 2 Mardu Hateblade 1 Mardu Hordechief 1 Mardu Roughrider 2 Mardu Skullhunter 2 Mardu Warshrieker 8 Mountain 2 Nomad Outpost 5 Plains 1 Raise the Alarm 1 Scoured Barrens 2 Smite the Monstrous 7 Swamp 2 Trumpet Blast 1 Unyielding Krumar 1 Venerable Lammasu 1 War Behemoth 2 War-Name Aspirant 1 Wind-Scarred Crag 1 Zurgo Helmsmasher
6 months ago
Cryptolith Rite, Nature's Will, Druids' Repository, and [Bear Umbra] will give repeatable combats. Nature's Will is a bit expensive, so keep Song of Freyalise instead. You can remove Battle for Bretagard, Goblin War Drums, and Mask of Avacyn to use the other three enchantments if repeatable combats is your goal. Otherwise, here are some other great additions:
Cathars' Crusade will make HUGE creatures very quickly. Brave the Sands gives the vigilance needed to take advantage of Cryptolith Rite or have blockers. Impact Tremors will cause lots of pain over time. Raiders' Spoils card draw on steroids. Something you are SORELY lacking.
Kaya, Geist Hunter a great addition that will mostly be used for her -2 ability. Rhythm of the Wild is a good card to be replaced since most of your creatures will be tokens, anyways. If you don't go with Kaya, Cathars' Crusade would probably be a better replacement for Rhythm of the Wild.
Trollbred Guardian and Hamza, Guardian of Arashin requires +1/+1 counters but you don't have very many +1/+1 counters in the deck to take advantage of this. You can remove them and instead use Mindblade Render and Oakhame Adversary for card draw. You need card draw.
Usher of the Fallen and Imperious Perfect are fairly underwhelming. Imperious Perfect is a little better, but I'd at least replace Usher of the Fallen with Rhys the Redeemed. Honestly, I'd use Ogre Battledriver over Imperious Perfect.
Tuya Bearclaw and Hamletback Goliath get big, but they can be chumped VERY easily. Lovisa Coldeyes will buff all your tokens that are harder to chump. You could maybe keep the Hamletback Giant, but Zurgo Helmsmasher or Samut, Voice of Dissent is a good choice in your deck if you decide not to.
Blaring Captain and Blaring Recruiter are also very underwhelming. Chief of the Edge can easily replace the captain, and the recruit can be replaced be literally anything (my vote would be for Impact Tremors if you haven't added it already).
You have A LOT of mana ramp in your deck, but your lacking card draw and removal. I'd maybe remove the Diamonds and add two or three mana rocks that tap for one of any color. That'll give your deck 10-11 forms of mana ramp. If you add three, that'll give room for two forms of card draw. Reconnaissance Mission, Bident of Thassa, Skullclamp, and Vanquisher's Banner are great options.
Be aware that you're sitting at only 30 lands. If you find your have a mana-base problem, I'd take out Radha, Heir to Keld, Duskwatch Recruiter Flip, or ANY of the previously discussed cards and add 3-5 lands. Out of the lands you should also add, I recommend Savage Lands, Arcane Sanctum, Crumbling Necropolis, Jungle Shrine, Nomad Outpost, Mystic Monastery, Path of Ancestry, and Unclaimed Territory.
8 months ago
I'd defend running Scour from Existence too. You're paying 2 extra for instant speed and giving nothing in return.
There is nothing else to defend. That's why i haven't defended anything else. So that has no bearing on its feasibility.
It also isn't "to board against one commander." They're cards you can use in literally every game because they can exile any target permanent. Run graveyard hate? why do that when i can run permanent hate that gets the job done and offers more versatility? What actually sounds like the more "unfeasible" strategy, there? Running graveyard hate that is kind of just a dead draw vs a non-graveyard deck, or running a spell that does what the yard hate would do which i can also use to answer any threat on the board? It could always be blue artifacts. They don't care so much about getting stuff out of the graveyard. This answers their Darksteel Forge. This answers an enemy Zurgo Helmsmasher on your turn. This could answer Iona. This could answer emrakul if they were legal in the format. It's even a way to deal with a Bound in Gold or Darksteel Mutation. It's good vs every indestructible commander and every protection from colored commander. It even deals with stax. What's important too is that it has a permanent effect and it is not a permanent. Grafdigger's Cage can be blown up or countered, just like Relic of Progenitus and Rest in Peace. However, the colorless spells can only be countered. There's nothing to blow up. Scour can even deal with Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth to stop a Sheoldred, the Whispering One, or a Rogue's Passage. Sure ghost quartering them would be much better, but if you drew one and not the other, and that's what's killing you...
You framing this as something people run just to deal with iona is wrong. That would be like saying people only run RIP for the Helm of Obedience combo. That's not true at all.
9 months ago
My (EDH-centered) thoughts Show
Chun-Li: Eheheh. Anyway, note that there's no "without paying their mana cost" rider, and that as you're casting copies you're allowed to reuse your Instants each combat (and they're lost should Chun-Li die NO WAIT I'M BAD ). Thankfully, the only Instant extra turn spell available in Azorius is Nexus of Fate, and getting it into your graveyard isn't too easy.
Dhalsim: Reach tribal that rewards low power? Heh, Ishkanah, Grafwidow isn't to pleased to be excluded by that white pip. Azban spider commander when?
Honda: Oof, 6 mana? At least that 7 toughness is going to be put to work by his buttfighting. Hundred-Handed One feels mildly insulted.
Ken: This is quite a bit more interesting than Ryu, being a kinda weird spellslinging voltron commander in Boros. And hey, there's that Shoryuken, though without the symbol pun I wanted.
Zangief: The Zurgo Helmsmasher comparsion is obvious, though Zangief is less voltron friendly, both because of his different third ability and because of the lack of white. Anyway, you can obviously use things like Chandra's Ignition to nuke people's Artifacts, Enchantments, and Planewalkers every once in a while. Also, Berserk is fun here since Zangief won't die.
11 months ago
Not sure if it needs the "in addition to its other types and abilities" text or not.
1 year ago
1 year ago
Buckle up, this will be lengthy....Some important things I always consider when choosing a voltron commander:
1) Does my commander have built in evasion or protection. These are crucial because they require less investment into auras/equipment that protect/grant evasion to your commander, freeing up slots for other cards
2) How hard is it for my commander to reach the holy "power of 7". Ideally you want your commander to reach 7 or more power so you need fewer hits to kill an opponent. Why 7 you ask? Because there is a near step-function difference in success between 4 attacks to kill someone and 3 attacks to kill someone (in my experience).
3) Equipment/aura synergies. Some commanders have built in synergies that make them more ideal for either equipment or aura strategies.
4) Casting cost. If your commander dies, and it will, likely multiple times, can you recast them easily?
4.5) Haste. I put this one as part of #4 because if I am playing a high cmc voltron commander, they better have haste so I can immediately try to kill someone.
With those ideas in mind, here are some voltron options that I like:
Dragonlord Ojutai, my personal commander. Has built in evasion, protection, and card advantage. Moderate CMC and hits like a truck (5 starting power)
Bruna, Light of Alabaster, one of the top aura commanders out there. Has built in evasion, but her high cmc and no native protection makes her a lighting rod for removal. If you can have her survive until she attacks, it's basically game over.
Aurelia, the Warleader, arguably one of the strongest voltron commanders out there. Has built in haste and evasion. Her extra combat ability makes here very deadly and can kill someone out of nowhere. Her high cmc makes her a little more of a challenge to pilot though. Goes infinite with Helm of the Host.
Akiri, Fearless Voyager, another top voltron commander. She has built in protection and card advantage in Boros which is a major plus. She has low cmc, but is pretty small and has no evasion meaning she needs extra help to kill someone.
Akiri, Line-Slinger + anyone (blue is nice for protection): Hands down the strongest "fair" voltron commander out there. Costs a low, low 2 mana, has first strike making her a headache to block, and her passive pump ability makes her able to kill at least one person before they are even set up.
Bruenor Battlehammer: Kind of an overlooked one from AFR, but this guy slaps. He has moderate cmc, can freely equip one equipment per turn, and has the Akiri pump ability. No evasion though.
Kediss, Emberclaw Familiar + Sengir, the Dark Baron: I don't actually think this one is very good. I just think the chance to oneshot the entire table with these two is hilarious (something I was able to do in the Commander Legends draft format).
Zurgo Helmsmasher: Has haste, built in protection, and already starts at 7 power. No built in evasion, but he can grow in size all on his own. His color wedge is also great for tutoring, removal, and protection.
Galea, Kindler of Hope: Haven't had much experience with this new one, but her free aura attach ability, moderate cmc, and card advantage by playing auras off the top of your library seems pretty strong.
Ardenn, Intrepid Archeologist + anyone (I like Rograkh, Son of Rohgahh or Akiri, Line-Slinger): This guy isn't really going to be killing anyone himself, but his ability will save you a ton of mana on equip costs which allows you to keep up mana for interaction or protection.
Thrun, the Last Troll: Mono green isn't as strong as white for equipment, but it can do aura's surprisingly well. Being uncounterable, having OG hexproof, and being able to regenerate himself makes Thrun very tough to kill.
Godo, Bandit Warlord: I have to mention this one since he is the only true cEDH voltron commander.
1 year ago
Grubbernaut My point is more that the effect doesn't seem to match up with the intend of the Commander - if I understood the OP correctly. Moreso blue-white isn't really an aggro orientated color pairing.
Zurgo Helmsmasher is a T3 deck on the competitive cEDH scale (at least to some lists), so while building an exclusively 0 MV deck is unlikely a wise strategy for this Fox, there's already Voltron strategies on the competitive scale that seems slower than what you can do here. In the 0 MV spots you can take advantage of cards like Mishra's Bauble, Spellbook, Briber's Purse, Everflowing Chalice, Chalice of the Void, and there's a few more 0 MV artifacts that are decent enough that they wont hinder you much in an aggro shell while providing opportunities to massively grow the fox (not including high priced cards like the Mox Sapphire). Anything past +4/+4 per turn seems too much for a free trigger on a 2 mana card. Include most if not all of the Cycling lands so you can ditch lands for gas if flooded. Blue and the built in card advantage + filtering of the Fox is sure to give you cards in hand to use your mana or keep it open for responses. And blue gives you plenty of ways to avoid combat blocking as an obstacle, so you only really need to mind responding to removal.
And I haven't even thought that much about how to built that deck, so there's probably more you can do. (The more I think about it, the more I actually want to build the deck, just to see what you can possibly do - but I don't think that's the intent of the Commander and I don't actually want this version to see print.)
Obviously Paradox Haze for double the draws, double the counters.
It's definitely not going to be a T1 deck, but are we really trying to make competitive ready Commanders with little thought?
Also how many decks are really winning on turn 3? It's definitely possible, but I doubt it's a majority of the time. I don't have much experience with cEDH, but considering the decks that are put into the top tiers of the cEDH lists, I think it's more realistic to say they end around turn 5-6 on average.
(And if we're talking cEDH you can speed up the clock and cast Fox t1 and attack on t2 for 6+ damage and then again next turn to take that player out most likely and at that point you can possibly clap a player per attack.)