Description

KARN, SILVER GOLEM

"Until you have lived as a statue, do not talk to me of pigeons." -Karn

 

Karn

- Karn is one of my favourite characters in the multiverse. Karn, Silver Golem represents all important aspects of Karns personality and that makes it a really great card.


- "[...] The golem rescued young Gerrard Capashen from the Phyrexian raids on Benalia, and brought him to his adoptive father Sidar Kondo. When Kondo's son Vuel turned against his tribe and stole the Legacy, Karn went to retrieve it. During this effort, he was tricked into killing an innocent bystander, and was frozen by the Touchstone. He was later found and freed by Sisay, with the memory of killing the innocent fresh in his mind. Karn took a vow of pacifism, swearing never again to take a life [...]"  (from "The Legacy" - this aspect is represented by Karns defensive ability).

- "[...] After the events of Time Spiral, Karn retreated to Mirrodin's Core, being worshipped as the new Father of Machines. When Phyrexia grew upon Mirrodin, Karn was trapped in his own mind, battling between himself and the role the Phyrexians were trying to force upon him.[...]" (from "Quest for Karn" - this is represented by Karns ability to turn artifacts into creatures)

- The phyrexian corruption that leaked from his body and corrupted Mirrodin is represented by his ability to destroy lands (destroy is actually the wrong term but its the most fitting lore wise... in mtg terms it would be: turns lands into 0/0 creatures which puts them into the GY.. FYI) (with mycosynth lattice etc) 

- "[...] When Gerrard placed Urza's powerstone eyes, the Mightstone and Weakstone, into Karn, the Legacy released a wave of white mana, destroying the Phyrexians and slaying Yawgmoth. While the two humans were killed, the powerstones turned Karn into the first -- and, so far as is known, only -- artificial planeswalker [...]" (From "Phyrexian Invasion" - this is represented by, well.... Karn Liberated)


 

BASICS:

Its really easy: ramp mana to cast more expensive rocks and utiliy, animate everything with Karn, kill, profit. This is really fast and hard to interrupt. It also gets quite borring after a while. So there are some funny combos and interactions to spice things up. 

You do not need any of them to win, tho.

As usual this is really strong against some setups and really weak against others.. all im saying is Stony Silence ;)

 

Example matches

 

 

Karn Combos and Interactions (a small selection)

Infinite ManaKarn, Silver Golem + Mana Vault + Voltaic Construct or any other with 3+mana (there are more than 5 at the moment)
Infinite Mana
Basalt Monolith + Rings of Brighthearth (+2 mana to get it started)
Infinite 0/1 Tokens or Lifeinfinite combo (above) + Mycosynth Lattice + Trading Post
Infinite damageinfinite combo (above) + Scarecrone + Triskelion // or Goblin Charbelcher // or Staff of nin
Infinite TurnsMagistrate's Scepter + Rings of Brighthearth + Voltaic Key or Clock of Omens
play every non land card from your oponent (or exile all)infinite combo (above) +  Mycosynth Lattice + Ornate Kanzashi
super evil land destructionKarn, Silver Golem + Mycosynth Lattice / Liquimetal Coating
wrath effect every turnDarksteel Forge + Nevinyrral's Disk
everything has reanimate (well kinda)  Karn, Silver Golem + Nim Deathmantle
remove any permanent+attack with 7/7 +sac it for 7 lifeKarn, Silver Golem + Miren, the Moaning Well + Spine of Ish Sah
infinite mana and other goodiesMetalworker + Staff of Domination + 3 artifact cards in hand
infinite manaMetalworker + Voltaic Construct  +2 artifact cards in hand
exile all attacking creaturesMycosynth Lattice + Mystifying Maze + Voltaic Key + infinite mana combo
infinite memory jar (if done right every1 dies at the same time = groupwin // otherwise make sure you have more cards left then the other players )Karn, Silver Golem + Memory Jar + Mimic Vat OR Prototype Portal + Memory Jar (infinite with 1 of the mana combos above)
free mana for every1!mycosynth lattice + Blinkmoth Urn
Mindcontrol lockdownmindlsaver + prototype portal // or Karn, Silver Golem + Mimic Vat + Mindslaver . with voltaic contruct infinite combo this can be used on any number of ppl.

(Red= Rude - Yellow= Ok - Green= Just do it already - Pink= Makes ppl smile)

 

Karn  and Sliver Queen

(this pretty much sums up Karn being Karn... walking straight into the Sliver Queens chamber, ignoring everything she throws at him, all while dropping one deep line after the other)

(IDEAS ARE APPRECIATED!)

 

Cards that were in earlier versions and get suggested frequently:

Steel Hellkite, Eldrazi Conscription, Ulamog and all minor Eldrazi, Mishras Helix, Mutavault, Brittle Effigy, Arcbound Reclaimer, Eye of Ugin, Howling Mine, Gargoyle Castle, Erratic Portal, Mox Opal, Planar Portal, Darksteel Pendant, Myr Retriever, Junk Diver, Thopter Assembly..

 

All cards I want to add but dont own right now go into the update section!

The Maybeboard holds cards that i only put in against specific ppl in my playgroup. you can ignore them!

Updates

Over the last year or so my playgroup experienced a huge powercreep (can you say that... I dont even...), its all Jokulhaups and stuff like that now.

So I feel like i need some of my "evil" cards back in the 99. 

Test & UPDATE LIST:

+1 Sea Gate Wreckage main
-1 Mindslaver main
-1 Vedalken Orrery main
-1 Arena of the AncientsIT main
+1 Null Brooch main
-1 Wasteland main
+1 Static Orb main
+1 Winter Orb main
+1 Shimmer Myr main
+1 Ensnaring Bridge main
-1 Crystal Vein main
-1 Meekstone main

 

https://www.youtube.com/embed/HTXbU6FYZEw

https://youtu.be/B7lEcwTQfBI

example matches

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Keep Suggesting!

(Comment clean up)

FAQ:  The "Basic-Land-Question" (because they are colorless permanents): "903.5d A card with a basic land type may be included in a Commander deck only if each color of mana it could produce is included in the commander’s color identity." With the new Wastes this question should not come up again ;)

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abzanforever says... #1

How about cutting Platinum Angel, it doesn't protect you very well, as your opponent just needs to destroy it and your dead.

February 28, 2016 5 a.m.

abzanforever says... #2

And how about playing Scroll Rack?

February 28, 2016 8:38 a.m.

PepsiAddicted says... #3

Platinum angel is important for several infinite combos, otherwise things like infinite memory jar etc would end in a draw.

Scroll rack isnt very good in decks that play with an empty hand most of the time. It would shine in a Wastes version tho

February 29, 2016 3:32 a.m.

abzanforever says... #4

Ok, thanks for this explanation. I realised by myself two days ago, that Scroll Rack is very useless with an empty hand... :-P

March 1, 2016 2:14 p.m.

Vinman says... #5

New cards being spoiled for Shadows over Innistrad, and one caught my eye so far, "Tamiyo's Journal." Interesting ability, plus a tutor long game, would like to hear your thoughts when you see the card

March 5, 2016 10:36 a.m.

PepsiAddicted says... #6

Tamiyo's Journa looks really nice thx, ill make a proxy and try it tomorrow. cant wait for SoI ;)

March 5, 2016 4:58 p.m.

Vinman says... #7

Yeah I'm super excited for it. I had started playing magic when RTR just released, and I feel like I really missed out on the first Innistrad block, and felt I missed out on what probably would've been my favorite set/block. I love everything about the gothic flavor of Innistrad, so I am really looking forward to it!! For both the flavor and cards =)

March 5, 2016 6:26 p.m.

ductvader says... #8

Hey PepsiAddicted,

Loving the deck, it's actually an inspiration for my own artifact heavy 5 color Praetor commander deck.

Now I play casual, we don't allow infinites...and take that as you will, but I'd love some input on my deck if you have the time.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/decepticons-praetors-in-disguise/

March 7, 2016 1:20 p.m.

Cool deck PepsiAddicted, I was wondering if you have seen the card Cursed Totem. It might work alongside your other stax artifacts and considering you only have 14 creatures. Winter Orb, Static Orb, and Orb of Dreams might work here too with the untap abilities. There is also Defense Grid which is a Grand Abolisher for colorless.

I play artifact stax and I wrote a primer on it with my Glissa, the Traitor EDH deck. I run a Salvaging Station and Krark-Clan Ironworks combo with Lotus Bloom, Sol Ring, Executioner's Capsule, etc. and maybe Krark-Clan Ironworks can be good for you as another sac outlet. Everything in your deck becoming a Sol Ring when it is hit by exile or mind controlled seems good :)

Artifact secret tech is really cool and is great sideboard material against decks that rely too much on a specific strategy. One card I think might be good is Library of Leng. It seems to be a Spellbook that is also great against discard control (Liliana of the Veil, Oppression, Bottomless Pit, Words of Waste, Death Cloud, etc.).

Fridges make me hungry +1

March 9, 2016 8:21 a.m.

PepsiAddicted says... #10

very nice! Cursed Totem is pure evil! i want one

March 10, 2016 4:31 p.m.

Preturbed says... #11

Doesn't it turn off any Karn-based combos though?

March 10, 2016 6:48 p.m.

PepsiAddicted says... #12

Oh yeah for some reason i thought it was a comment on my avacyn deck /sigh

March 11, 2016 2:20 a.m.

Forgot about that, luckily its an artifact so I can assume you can find some way to remove it when you want to use Karn.

March 11, 2016 7:09 a.m.

PepsiAddicted says... #14

Yeah no i wont play it in karn, but i ordered one for mono white ;) thx

And ironworks etc was in karn around 1 year ago. It had to go in revision #30. really good card

March 11, 2016 1:35 p.m.

PepsiAddicted says... #16

If you guys like you can help with this combo Memnarch deck I am going to build. Except for a short period during Khans when i splashed blue for Treasure Cruise in modern I actually never played blue in any of my non-budget decks. Let me know what cards I'm missing. THX


memnarch in the works

Commander / EDH* PepsiAddicted

6 VIEWS


March 23, 2016 7:38 p.m.

abzanforever says... #17

You should consider Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger as removal and finisher in your deck

March 29, 2016 8:02 p.m.

PepsiAddicted says... #18

id like him as removal but what would you cut for him? he wont be much of a finisher in here tho

April 2, 2016 5:13 p.m.

I have been liking Krark-Clan Ironworks in my Glissa, the Traitor Deck, it might work here too. I would go Blightsteel over the new Ulamog if you want a 1 shot finisher

April 2, 2016 5:28 p.m.

abzanforever says... #20

I would cut Scour from Existence for the new Ulamog

April 2, 2016 5:49 p.m.

I second that actually, Scour from Existence is wizards bad impersonator of All Is Dust and getting that same effect with a huge body that 5 clocks someone seems way better. If you find chances to hard cast scour lots then it might be good but if you mostly use it when you already have a mana surplus then the huge body is better.

April 2, 2016 6:23 p.m.

PepsiAddicted says... #22

this might be the only deck where scour is a good card but i see your point, especially when its only 3 mana more. ill pick up a newlamog asap.


krark was in here long ago when the setup was different and i had stuff to sac and not so much mana.

blightsteel isnt a mb option for this deck. even as a turn1 combo deck it has to stay in the fun and fair area. yes there is an infect combo in here but thats a really bad one for edh so it doesnt matter.

April 3, 2016 4:34 a.m.

stie112 says... #23

Do you rush out your cards or do you wait for the right situation? I have a hard ramping artifact deck that empties the hand rather quickly and i have more draw than you do. I feel i lose options if the game drags on. How do you play in this situation?

April 17, 2016 4:27 p.m.

PepsiAddicted says... #24

i dont rush most of the time. it tempting yeah but its too dangerous. its good against some decks, Rafiq for example. but voltron is a pretty easy matchup anyway.

except when i know i can play beatdown and be safe.... then i spit out my hand asap to have more fridges to animate

April 18, 2016 3:16 a.m.

stie112 says... #25

Ok thank you for the quick answer. Your deck is really a good guideline for all sorts of artifact builds and i use it alot.

April 18, 2016 4:48 a.m.

acronix says... #26

What's the purpose of Arcbound Ravager here? Is it just because it's generically good or is there a strategic reason to run it?

April 19, 2016 12:13 a.m.

acronix says... #27

Also, is Warping Wail really worth running? I don't see too many situations where it would come in handy.

April 19, 2016 2:15 a.m.

I tried making my first colorless edh deck with Kozilek, the Great Distortion at the helm a few days ago, do you think you could check it out and give me some advice PepsiAddicted. I mostly have experience making artifacts decks with blue or black but I've never tried making a no color deck. and could use some help.

April 19, 2016 2:25 a.m.

PepsiAddicted says... #29

arcbound ravager: you have to have a sac outlet for many reasons, f.e. removing your own ensnaring bridge in late game or to get your spine of ish sha back into your hand.. or just to be able to get rid of mana crypt if karn isnt around ;) its also part of an infect combo.

Warping Wail: is great because it counters sorceries. it counters Austere Command, Merciless Eviction and all the other threats. it also exiles alot of the creature based sac outlets that are utilized in tempo decks like meren. its a matter of taste.. if you think your board is safe enough then dont run it.


sure ill have a look when i come back home :)

April 19, 2016 10:21 a.m.

acronix says... #30

Fair enough. I was trying to find the infect combo you mentioned before and couldn't. That's clever though.

April 19, 2016 3:01 p.m.

abzanforever says... #31

Sac at least eight Artifacts and Arcbound Ravager itsself to put nine counters on Inkmoth Nexus and swing for 10 poison counters in the air ;)

April 20, 2016 3:50 p.m.

PepsiAddicted says... #32

exactly

April 21, 2016 2:03 p.m.

acronix says... #33

Null Brooch honestly seems really bad. Situational at best.

April 27, 2016 2:32 a.m.

PepsiAddicted says... #34

Sigh.. Explain plz how is a cheap counter on a stick with almost no downside "really bad". I am curious

April 27, 2016 2:42 a.m.

KillDatBUG says... #35

Well PepsiAddicted, it does require you to discard your hand- Even in this deck, that's not a completely irrelevant downside. It also only counters one noncreature spell on its own, which might not be enough against a table of 3 other players gunning for you.

April 27, 2016 2:45 a.m.

PepsiAddicted says... #36

Creatures dont matter. It counters austeres command etc. it does that multiple times with untap if needed. It is an activated ability, most of the time uncounterable. I never had a problem discarding my empty hand or getting back whatever i discard.

It is also a meta thing. If your pg adapts to you playing artifacts and they start throwing mass artifact removal early game you better play it. Cant always combo turn 1, right

April 27, 2016 2:56 a.m.

acronix says... #37

It seems bad to me because you have to discard your hand. There is very little recursion or card draw in this deck so getting things back isn't exactly easy.

Also, I have been testing a build very similar to this one, and I'm finding that I often can't play anything until turn 3 or later, and I'm playing more mana rocks than you. I've found that unless I can hit a bunch of rocks and a draw engine quickly, the deck just sputters and dies.

April 28, 2016 2:10 a.m.

PepsiAddicted says... #38

I dont know what you are doing with your version. I almost always play with an empty hand and i never have mana problems (ofc there is mana screw but that doesnt happen very often). Its obvious that you have to run protection like brooch if you play a deck that dies to a single kind of spell. Also recursion is limited but streamlined. Like everything in the deck you'll always be able to work around - sometimes it just requires more steps.thats how the deck works. its clearly better than dying to mass artifact removal.

Thats like saying The new kozilek is bad because i have to discard. Or eldrazi charm because it counters only sorceries. They do exactly what the deck needs.

Long story short: dont play it stupid and use it to survive not to control. Or build a version without it ;)

April 28, 2016 2:57 a.m.

acronix says... #39

Fair enough. I'm not trying to criticize your build. I like it a lot. I'm just trying to get a grasp of the reasoning behind a few of your card choices.

April 28, 2016 3:13 a.m.

stie112 says... #40

How would you change you deck if you were to remove your infinite combos? My playgroup consist of 2 ordinary people, one has ADHD (thats me), and 2 has autism. The infinite combos are fairly hard to explain to the guys with autism and one is purely against them. So what win cons would you add in to circumvent this obstacle?

May 6, 2016 8:43 a.m.

PepsiAddicted says... #41

Hey sounds like the avg. playgroup to me ;)

The deck doesnt depend on any of the combos. It can win by just animating huge artifacts and swing for damage. You could just "ignore" them or cut the pure combo pieces for stuff like darksteel plate or even welding jar.

The reason why this deck is so combo-heavy now is that my PG evolved to something pretty cut-throat-ish and the original beat down plan isnt strong enough. But im talking about decks that run chains of mephistopholes or chainer+triskelion here. Most of the time the aggro path should work

May 6, 2016 10:28 a.m.

stie112 says... #42

Thank you for quick answer. What do you animate your artifacts with and could you give me more examples of great artifacts to include? Thanks again.

May 6, 2016 10:38 a.m.

PepsiAddicted says... #43

You animate stuff with Karn, Silver Golem ;)

Ill give you some more artifacts when i get home

May 6, 2016 1:51 p.m.

WhiteKnights says... #44

+1 Hot damn, I love your formatting. Can't believe I haven't seen this deck before! If your on the fence about Tawnos's Coffin or the new Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger, don't be, they are pretty cool cards to play with haha.

Also needs more Goats Trading Postis the shiznit. Combine with Batterskull and Eldrazi Conscription and hilarity ensues.

Oh I see you have already considered trading post :P

May 21, 2016 7:11 p.m.

PepsiAddicted says... #45

yeah trading post (it was in an early version btw) is sick but there is only so much room in a deck, right ;) and to please the goat-god i put in springjack pasture. always ready to make that required sacrifice. I OFFER YOU THIS GOAT, OH GREAT ONE!

nono the sideboard and the maybeboard are different (its explained somewhere in the wall of text above; ignore this). i have two fake sideboards for this deck. not really SB ofc, more like different versions for different playgroups. or it used to be like this. recently i mainboarded some of the cards from the "evil stuff"-sideboard (like winter orb) because even the noobs reached that certain lvl of "we-all-play-Jokulhaups-now".

May 21, 2016 7:25 p.m.

lagotripha says... #46

Im my playgroup Prototype Portal found a home as a source of more stuff when hands were empty. Not sure if it'd be excellent here, but it should be good.

July 9, 2016 6:01 a.m.

PepsiAddicted says... #47

its a great card, it was in an older version of this list (i just realized its still listed in he combo section... gotta fix that some day). you can run it in a list like this imo, but it is a bit narrow for my taste. with karn around you can do the same and more with mimic vat.

July 9, 2016 6:23 a.m.

Lhurgyof says... #48

True enough, and the higher CMC can make it annoying. Unless you manage to pop an artifact land or sol ring on it.

July 9, 2016 3:45 p.m.

lagotripha says... #49

I was running a lot of stuff like a Coretapper, Banshee's Blade, Energy Chamber, Ratchet Bomb, and the ever fun Jinxed Choker. Jinxed choker alone made games politically hilarious, but when you have 3-4 of them?

July 9, 2016 4:16 p.m.

PepsiAddicted says... #50

thats pretty cool

July 9, 2016 4:21 p.m.

aekrusty says... #51

Nice deck +1. Could you review and upvote my St Traft Azorius Duel? Thanks

August 16, 2016 7:09 a.m.

Vinman says... #52

@PepsiAddicted

Thoughts on vehicles and any of the artifacts in Kaladesh? I don't think vehicles work at all in this deck (maybe Smuggler's Copter but not really).

October 1, 2016 4:01 p.m.

PepsiAddicted says... #53

hey vinman... yeah i dont think so, too

October 2, 2016 2:23 a.m.

could you share your html for making the background image show up like you have on all your decks with the translucent description/comments boxes? thanks in advance for any help.

December 18, 2016 10:46 p.m.

PepsiAddicted says... #55

hey i didnt do the html stuff myself and its stored on a google drive i dont even know how it looks. but there are plenty of threads here in the forums

December 19, 2016 2:12 a.m.

i've looked through the forums for hours and can't seem to find what you're referring to :( what do you mean you don't know how it looks? could you share the google drive with me or the thread where this formatting is discussed?

December 19, 2016 2:19 a.m.

PepsiAddicted says... #57

thats not how this works.and i really dont know where uve been looking if u cant find anything on the topic. there is even a whole subforum on coding.anyway.. it was made by the_dragonmaster like a year ago. no idea if he still does it. but hes super nice, asking cant hurt

December 21, 2016 10:26 a.m.

I have found where it was discussed last summer and the code that supposedly worked then is essentially the same code I had already tried. this is the link to the specific discussion: http://tappedout.net/mtg-forum/coding/how-do-i-put-in-art-in-the-background-of-my-deck/

However, that code doesn't work for me no matter what I do and a number of other people have stated in various places that their full page deck descriptions have ceased functioning too.

December 21, 2016 2:06 p.m.

PepsiAddicted says... #59

first of all i dont know if the owner of that dropbox in your forum link really wants you to use his code. and 2nd.. it works. where is the problem. just tested it.

December 21, 2016 3:05 p.m.

idk, you and ender both seem to have no problem but no matter how many times i recheck my copying of the code it won't work for me. i also don't seem to be able to properly get an html link to work like this

ender's page

so maybe i just am not understanding some fundamental part of html. well nvmactually that worked. huh.

December 21, 2016 4:24 p.m.

NarejED says... #61

Poke poke. Great looking deck. The formatting is spectacular. It looks like you put a lot of time and dedication into it.

Do you by any chance have, or know of, a Karn list tuned for competitive play? I've been browsing around for one and there doesn't seem to be much in the way of such resources. Since you have so much time dedicated to Karn, I thought you might know of a few good resources.

January 31, 2017 4:08 p.m.

PepsiAddicted says... #62

i can tell you no matter how strong you build your karn deck it will never be a viable option for a real competitive meta. protecting your artefacts from an oponent (or even multiple oponents) who knows what hes up against is nearly impossible. you can have those really fast and explosive starts but if you cant combo to win every1 will focus you (obviously). you have very limited options to interact with your oponents. and most importantly you wont be able to keep your enemies from casting one mass artifact removal after the other... (if you wreck them on day 1 theyll be running 15 more of those the next day)

it is still sooo much fun to play. it can be super strong. its different. i can only recommend Karn. best in slot

February 2, 2017 3:19 a.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #63

Amazing deck. Horrible page layout, no offense - the transparent comments make the text really hard to read against the background.

It's a shame you can't play the Legacy Weapon here :(

March 20, 2017 7:06 p.m.

PepsiAddicted says... #64

daedalus yes its kinda true. i didnt make the design, i have no clue about coding and im happy to have it ;)

yeah legacy weapon would be great for lore reasons

March 27, 2017 5:02 a.m.

Savaaage says... #65

Pepsi, do you still run Steel Overseer in your 99? If you do, what would you replace it with in this current list?

April 3, 2017 5:41 a.m.

skeletonkey8 says... #66

What do you think of -Planar Portal +Planar Bridge

September 10, 2017 12:23 a.m.

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Revision 86 (1 year ago)

+1 Krark-Clan Ironworks maybe

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