After reading your update I don't agree with some of them, but that's my own personal preference, plus our meta's are probably way way different. =) Anyways, Soul of New Phyrexia is a house. If you drop it and can protect it or hold up enough mana to use his ability, it's pretty much game. Even in the graveyard, people forget about it. It's really good. I'm going to have an update for my deck soon and the power level is going to jump dramatically because it'll be closer to what you have, but it will still have my own personal iterations and preferences. I was originally going to put in Vedalken Orrery for Shimmer Myr but I didn't for a couple of reasons. 1) I LOVE MYR! They are adorable and one of the most underrated tribes in MTG. I hope we get more Myr cards in the future. 2) I prefer the ability on Shimmer Myr due to IT actually having flash. It is easier to remove, but if you flash it in at the end of someone elses turn, then flash in Darksteel Forge it makes for a panic. 3) Karn and his grandchildren working together is awesome hahah. But this is all just my own opinion hahaha keep up the awesome updates! Also nice Marit Lage token! It's so SHINY

What did you not agree on? Orbs? Or that i cut overseer? Or something else?

Soul of new phyrexia is 100% in

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I think Orbs is not great. Hexproof for player, sure, but for 5 mana is not good. The added ability isn't great either. It's a slightly better/different Witchbane Orb. I don't think Mage-Ring Network is good. There's way better lands you could replace it with, which I will be doing soon myself =). I already talked about the Shimmer Myr difference. Overseer is a must I feel. Both flavor and utility. If you're animating your artifacts, Overseer is even better, especially smaller artifacts that you normally wouldn't attack with. I think you could take out Arcbound Crusher for Overseer easily. Modular is great, but Overseer makes ALL of your creatures better. If crusher gets exiled, it's a waste, unless you sac it in response to something. This is all just me though, just comes down to preference and meta. Also Steel Hellkite isn't ugly....at least the promo one isn't. The promo looks more synthetic than the robotic mess of the regular version. Again, preference =)

i really like mage ring network. when i have rocks out i barely use lands so i can store a mana almost every turn, occasionally i double proliferate it. orb stops discard, edict effects that can cost me a shrouded karn and weenie rushs at the same time, and it swings for 5. shimmer myr has flash yes but it also has a huge target on its head. arcbound crusher is not in yet and im not sure if i want it in at all. it grows fast but it has almost no synergy. and like i said, cutting overseer does not feel right and im not sure about it.. everything u said about it is right, thats why i put it in in the first place. but it does nothing else and only has synergy with 1 other ability (again proliferate). and steel hellkite... well, ugly in the way of "wrong card flavor" not artwork (clorloess removal ability that hits colorless permanents... ahh i just dont like the design of the card. it should be like ugins -X and hit colored permanents only.AND it shouldnt be 0.50cent /sigh)

I gotcha. Again it's just preference. I don't like the storage lands. I had a hard time working with mage ring with my deck. And I think Orb is just a meta thing. Yeah it beats for 5, but most weenie decks I play against are either tribal or token, so they don't stay small for long. And gotcha again for hellkite. I think the flavor for it is fine. Most dragons have fire breathing. It's fire breathing can also just wipe tons of stuff off of the board. DRAGON STRONG hahaha Your changes make sense and fit your meta. I'm seriously so happy I made this deck. I'm having tons of fun with it. I think I love it so much is because I can control the power level as the game goes on. If I want the game to grind I can, if I want to be aggro I can, if the game is taking too long, just combo out. Thank you so much for the inspiration! #lovethekarnfather

Glad to hear you like it. I cant understand why he doesnt see more play as a general

Have you considered Haven of the Spirit Dragon? The chances of having it and Ugin simultaneously are slim, but that possibility seems worth it to me.

Have you just found Sundering Titan useless?

Sundering Titan is only legal in Dual Commander

That's lame. I was unaware of this.

Hey thx for the suggestions. Hah yeah sundering titan is just too much for the format ;)

I might use Haven. I can tutor it with 2 cards and 1 combo so chances arent that low. And getting ugin back is huge.

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I should've assumed Titsn would be banned with the abuse a Roon deck could do with it.

Anyway, I thought you'd like the ability to recur Ugin. It also grabs Steel Hellkite now that it's back in, if you ever wanted to do that.

ah yes i didnt see that either ;) thx ill grab a copy when i get a chance

Have you thought about using Teferi's Puzzle Box?

Its great. I tryed it in the modo version of this. And currently its in my chaos edh

I would like to see this played in the league.

I put it in the sign up thread already ;) SirFowler

This could totally be considered a theme/gimmick deck

Hah Yeah totally! But you can only have 5 hubs iirc :/

Next time you update, make sure you put my budget deck in the description somewhere. =)

Oh yeah :)

@PepsiAddicted, speaking of updates. Can you make a comment on your deck saying that you made an update? I am subscribe to this deck and only get notified when someone makes a post and not when there is a update. This way I know what is changing. I think this deck was quite for about a month and when I checked it you made a ton of changes to it and didn't know about it.

Alright, I'll do that