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All Is Dust
Tribal Sorcery — Eldrazi
Each player sacrifices all colored permanents he or she controls.
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All Is Dust Discussion
20 hours ago
Ya i need that, he was running All Is Dust which kind of stops anything i was trying to do lol
5 days ago
If you need ways to win once you go infinite, I recommend Shivan Gorge. It doesn't cost you a nonland slot, and there is at least one way to deal infinite damage using cards in your list and Gorge. You don't run Ruination, so you aren't really losing much by adding another nonbasic.
I wasn't saying that you cut Darksteel Forge, Nevinyrral's Disk, or Mycosynth Lattice. I was just pointing out that your explanations for why you included Disk and Lattice don't emphasize that the core combo is Forge + Disk, and that adding Lattice just lets you blow up lands.
Your argument about having enough tutoring is...sketchy. You have 4 tutors in deck, one of which is Kuldotha Forgemaster. It depends on the deck, but Forgemaster is often best categorized as part of an N-card combo rather than a tutor, where N is the number of other artifacts of any sort you need to control when you untap with Forgemaster in order to immediately go infinite (I think N = 6 is sufficient to find Forge + Disk for your list, and N = 7 finds an arbitrary number of artifacts if you add Nim Deathmantle). The card-drawing component of your argument is more difficult to compute, though you definitely have enough card draw to make my traditional numbers* inapplicable to your deck, but the threshold for seeing enough cards to consistently assemble a 3-card combo is really high.
I'd also contest your claim that Lattice is an essential component of any Daretti deck. My experience with Daretti has been that you're rarely short on artifacts to sacrifice, and color fixing is rarely an issue in a mono-color deck, so Mycosynth Lattice's main purpose is for combos. The main cards that combo with lattice include:
- Forge: Avacyn, Angel of Hope is good, even when it's a 2-card combo.
- Forge + Disk: this combo is already backbreaking even without Lattice.
- Karn, Silver Golem: this combo is gross. It's less mana-efficient than something like Decree of Annihilation or Boom/Bust, but being one-sided and repeatable counts for a lot.
- Clock of Omens / Unwinding Clock: Given that you have some big activated ability payoffs, these are definitely strong.
- Voltaic Key/Clock of Omens/Unwinding Clock + Goblin Welder: These cards just happen to work together extremely well.
- Vandalblast: this is gross, and you already want Vandalblast in your deck.
- Quicksmith Genius: This is a card that always fails to make the cut for me (I skip from 2 mana to 4 mana about 70%-80% of the time in my Daretti list, which places 3-drops in a weird spot in my curve), so I don't have a good sense for whether triggering the Genius whenever you play a land is very good.
- Inventors' Fair: If Lattice onboard makes a difference in whether you can take advantage of Inventors' Fair, something has gone horribly awry.
So by my count, you have about 6 cards that work well with Lattice, and 2 that work against it (All Is Dust does literally nothing with Lattice onboard). Given that you have incidental combos like Goblin Welder+untapper shenanigans, I think it's best to view Lattice as a card that combos with 6 cards in your deck, but does very little on its own. Whether that is above or below your threshold for usefulness is up to you.
*My traditional numbers: If Card A does nothing on its own but combos with other cards, you want at least 10 tutors and/or synergistic cards for Card A to be consistently useful.
6 days ago
I LOVE YOUR DECK!! +1 from me!
Thoughts on Trading Post and Mirage Mirror? I use the post to stop my artifacts from getting exiled, make tokens to block with and/or sacrifice the token for artifact recursion. Lastly the token can be used for a Contamination lock. Mirage mirror is just CRAZY versatility which I think can serve this deck quite well.
What is your plan to deal with artifacts and enchantments? From a glance, all I see if Karn. I usually find All Is Dust, Nevinyrral's Disk, Ugin, the Spirit Dragon, and Oblivion Stone can help with this (albeit at risk of getting rid of your stuff as well).
What are your thoughts of Rings of Brighthearth for the deck? I don't know about your meta's rules for infinite combos, but you can get infinite black mana with Coffers + Urborg + Deserted temple + A couple more lands + Rings.
Also if you are running the leyline you might want to run Helm of Obedience if you like destroying people's will to play magic.
6 days ago
ThatAudioGuy, the idealized version of this deck runs a single copy of each titan, replacing the second Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger with Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre and Eldrazi Devastator with Kozilek, Butcher of TruthI'm going to replace Kozilek's Channeler and Breaker of Armies with 2 more copies of Conduit of RuinI'll probably also replace Endbringer, Thought-Knot Seer and Oblivion Sower with 3 more It That BetraysAnd finally replace 4x Gruesome Slaughter with 4x All Is Dust and 4 times Scour from Existence with 4x Titan's Presence. But a part of me also just runs to run an army of 1x ROE eldrazi + the Titans.
6 days ago
Past in Flames seems a little strange when you only have about 7 spells you would ever want to cast with it (Chaos Warp, All Is Dust, Wheel of Fortune, Blasphemous Act, Trash for Treasure, Gamble, and Scrap Mastery), and some of those are a little too expensive when you need to cast them on the same turn as Past in Flames. Personally, I'd rather play Codex Shredder and pay 1-2 more mana in exchange for being able to cast the card at a later time (and I'm not a fan of running Codex Shredder). Otherwise, Recoup covers everything but Chaos Warp and Comet Storm (which I would rarely want to cast off of Past in Flames).
1 week ago
Stolen Identity, Sphinx's Revelation, Cackling Counterpart, Batterskull and Tempt with Reflections would all be solid, especially the first two. I would cut All Is Dust as I don't know why you would play it in the first place since you have so many colored permanents. Clone Legion, and Followed Footsteps would also be sweet. Personally I would cut cards like Grasp of Fate amd Counterspell and use creatures that you want to make tokens of anyways to do those sorts of things, like Angel of Serenity and Draining Whelk. Geist-Honored Monk would be sweet too.
Adorned Pouncer probably isn't good enough for EDH; I would also cut Enlightened Tutor, Secure the Wastes, and White Sun's Zenith. Play cards that actually do things like the ones I mentioned above instead of ones that late game make you a ton of tokens. Temmet is different from any other token general in that he wants you to have 1 big token rather that a massive token army. To that end, play Medomai the Ageless since this is a combat-focused Azorius deck and Blade of Selves for obvious reasons, but also for Anointed Procession shenanigans. I would also cut Sword of Fire and Ice, Phyrexian Processor, and Quietus Spike to make room for more creatures and tokenization cards. The sword is great and all, but just because you can play it in every deck doesn't mean you should, and there's plenty of card draw available to this deck without it. The processor is just off-flavor for me and there's not a lot of obvious ways to gain back the life, and Quietus Spike will certainly kill people quickly, and make them want to kill you quickly too, all of them. So again, I would suggest playing more token-producing value cards in those slots. Lightning Greaves is actually sub-optimal in this deck as the shroud will prevent you from targeting the equipped creature with Temmet's ability.
1 week ago
Okay so I just finished my first round of matches (there are a couple matchups I have yet to test against for various reasons but I'll try to get to those as well) and so far this is how the deck has performed.
- vs. U/B Turns 0-2
(Preface: this is a personal deck of mine and one I have been fine-tuning for quite some time for competitive play, so experience was likely a factor) First game turns had a nut draw where it was able to combo off and take 7 consecutive turns starting turn 5, well timed Gigadrowse and Cryptic Command before that ensured your deck couldn't do much. Game 2 was equally not close, turns was able to flip a Thing in the Ice Flip and combo off the next turn. (Also I have been really testing my turns deck against shadow so you know, and you ran into the hate I have in place for that deck.)
- vs. G/W Death & Taxes 0-2
(Another one of my personal decks and a deck I have tons of experience with) Game one D&T had two operating Aether Vial, simply got out ran. Game two was long and grinding going 20 turns. Eventually lost to Ramunap Excavator and Ghost Quarter lock and simply didn't have enough blockers to withstand a full swing.
- vs. Titan Shift 2-1
This result surprised me. I expected that Titan Shift would set up its combo quick enough to beat the agro but I was wrong. Game one a Scapeshift with three active Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle killed your deck easily. Sided in some removal and Aurelia, the Warleader and was able to kill quickly both times before Titan Shift had a chance to combo.
- vs. Grixis Shadow 0-2
(Preface: Though I hate the Death's Shadow deck I have play tested it a lot and I am pretty experienced with it due to its place in the meta and me having to know my matchups) Not much to say here, simply wasn't able to out agro the best agro deck in the format. Shadow held onto its counters for burn spells and won with Snapcaster Mage and Death's Shadow beats.
- vs. Oath of Nissa Bant Superfriends 2-0
This is another one of my personal decks but from the moment the match started it felt a turn behind. Game one Superfriends started out mana screwed but just as the Superfriends deck was setting up its lock and stabilizing a well timed Always Watching was able to pump some tokens and get in for exact damage (if this didn't happen the deck would have lost so you know). Game two Superfriends was mana flooded, won without difficulty.
- vs. 4-color Aikido 0-2
Another personal deck of mine. Aikido is a lifegain deck that punishes you for having creatures, both games simply couldn't keep up with the lifegain.
- vs. Mono-White Flicker 2-1
Mono-white flicker is a comb deck that aims to go infinite in a number of ways using Felidar Guardian and Panharmonicon. Game one was quick enough and won before Flicker was able to set up its combo. Game two lost to infinite life combo, conceded on the spot as the flicker deck would have created infinite tokens next turn. Game three well timed removal on combo pieces was able to outpace the flicker deck.
- vs. Infect 2-1
Not much to say here, game one got caught without removal in hand Path to Exile, that didn't happen again.
- vs. Eldrazi Tron 1-2
Won game one by the virtue of bad topdecks from the Tron deck, it had assembled tron but had no threats to play with its mana. Game two lost to turn two Thought-Knot Seer, followed on curve by Reality Smasher and Endbringer. Game three lost to a Karn Liberated in combination with Reality Smasher, All Is Dust, and Walking Ballista.
- vs. U/B Faeries 2-1
A personal favorite deck of mine but a deck that has gone years without a serious upgrade. Game one a very large Champion of the Parish was able to beat down. Game two lost to double Bitterblossom followed with a Scion of Oona, and Cryptic Command's aimed at tapping down attackers. Game three was able to land a Hanweir Garrison on the play (if I hadn't been on the play Spellstutter Sprite would have countered it). The tokens generated this way were able to win the game with Always Watching , even when faeries had Bitterblossom (this match was close the final game final life total was 5).
- vs. Merfolk Aggro 0-2
Arguably the third or even second best agro deck in the format (Shadow and Affinity are genrally considered the best), the islandwalk and Merrow Reejerey really hurt both games as did a flashed in Harbinger of the Tides returning a large Student of Warfare to my hand before swinging for game. This matchup felt winnable just got unlucky with Merfolk's draws.
So that is what I have tested so far, I still want to test the deck against Knightfall, Burn, Affinity, and Control, hopefully Friday some of the players I know who play those decks will be there and I can test for you. Overall though the deck did well, the mana base was honestly a little painful, I really think you want Inspiring Vantage in the deck, it is just a great land and Mikokoro, Center of the Sea was completely a dead card; it was never needed. I would replace it with something like Needle Spires as creatures are always nice, or Ghost Quarter (sometimes I just wished I had it in the deck but that is just me).
2 weeks ago
I want to try an experiment to free up funds for future decks. Can I cut expensive cards by finding functional replacements or by spreading the functionality over multiple cards? Need the keen eyes of some people that can think of good functional replacements or equivalents.
Commander / EDH*
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Ideas so far:
arena of ancients for War's Toll. A different slowing effect.
geier's reach sanitarium for Mikokoro, Center of the Sea.
Anybody got any other ideas?