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Shrine of the Forsaken Gods
: Add to your mana pool.
: Add to your mana pool. Spend this mana only to cast colorless spells. Activate this ability only if you control seven or more lands.
Shrine of the Forsaken Gods Discussion
2 weeks ago
Commenting here rather than on your page.
I don't mean to sound so overbearingly critical, but your deck is overall lacking in substantial board presence. Oathbreaker is a format in which you want to protect your Planeswalker at all viable costs. You have four creatures. That does not make for a very strong base. I'm going to rip into this deck, but I am also going to offer you suggestions on how to greatly improve upon it :) I hope that you don't take offense to anything I am saying, but I felt like I can do you some good here.
Next, I notice that a lot of your lands are either bounce lands or lands in which you can sacrifice them to get an additional mana for that turn. I am concerned with this style of play, because the bounce lands sort of equal out to the same amount of mana for the turn, and in some cases don't even move you ahead. Sacrifice the lands for extra mana sets you back. Allow me to explain:
- T3: You have two lands out. You tap both to add to your pool, then play Boros Garrison . The rest of the turn doesn't matter, we are merely focusing on land presence and mana potential.
- T4: You replay the land you just bounced last turn. Now you have a total of three lands that can produce a total of 4 mana.
The issue here is that you set yourself back on tempo on T3 to become caught up on T4. Rather than producing 3 mana on T3, you only produced 2; And for your efforts on T3, you are no better off on T4 than if you had just played a basic land.
Dormant Volcano and Karoo are even worse, because you have 16 of your 26 lands that contain specific subtypes, each one only being represented on 10 Plains and 8 Mountains. So if you have a Dormant Volcano in your hand but you don't have any lands with Mountain as their subtype, you literally can not play it. Even worse, it has to be an untapped land you return AND it still enters the battlefield tapped. So not only do you lose a land, you don't even get the mana from it and it's highly more restrictive than Boros Garrison .
Additionally, Temple of the False God literally does you no good if you get it out before you have five total lands. Shrine of the Forsaken Gods is better absolutely all around because at least it produces you something.
Now we need to discuss your "pay-to-play" lands; Crystal Vein , Dwarven Ruins & Ruins of Trokair . The issue here is that you may have immediate access to ramp, but you trade that for immediate downfall as you slip farther and farther behind because you no longer have lands on the battlefield. These cards should never go in any deck that doesn't have some means to return them, such as Crucible of Worlds / Ramunap Excavator or Wrenn and Six .
Dwarven Ruins and Ruins of Trokair for Heart of Ramos and Tooth of Ramos . This is because on T3 you can play your 3rd land and play an artifact to ramp with. On T4 when you play your fourth land, you now have 5 mana available and therefore are in ramp mode. You can also sac the artifact to generate another mana if need be, and it won't hurt your land base. These are under appreciated artifacts, and to be honest you don't need 26 lands in a 58 card deck. Yes, 58. Ajani and Mudhole are outside of your library.
Dormant Volcano and Karoo for Boros Signet and Boros Cluestone . Signet gets you two mana for the cost of one (Tapping two permanents equals out to 1 mana per permanent, but now you get one of each color) and Cluestone gets you one of any color, but also gives you draw options if you need it later on.
This sets you down to 22 lands, which in all of my playing of Oathrbeaker is ideal. This also increases your stones up from 4 into ~6. We will be working on this in a moment.
I get it, you want to blow up lands so your opponent can't play the game. But do you need 10 cards that do that? 11 with Ajani?
Cut out the following, for their listed reasons:
As mentioned before, you want more artifacts that produce mana. You currently have the following:
Now we still have four card slots open from before. We are sitting now at a total of six stones. We want eight. We will use two slots to add the following:
We now have 22 lands and 8 stones. 30 mana producing cards in a 58 card deck. This means you will SERIOUSLY ramp in Boros.
- Faithless Looting : Because it can be played twice, due to Flashback
- Dawn of Hope : Another 2 CMC permanent that can be used in conjunction with Ajani Vengeant 's -2 for card draw on non-specific colors of mana. Then you can also use it to create tokens with self-fulfilling conditions since they have lifelink. This means you don't have to rely on Ajani going down, and you can still progress the boardstate.
As for a win condition outside of Form of the Dragon , there is also Martial Coup . Since you are snuffing out all of your opponent's lands anyway, as well as their creatures, why not create a literal army of tokens that now stand unopposed?
You may also want to consider replacing Mudhole with something more viable. Perhaps Lightning Helix ? It burns and gets you life. Acts as another win condition, makes it harder for your opponent to win in the process as your life totals grow farther and farther apart, and plays nicely with the aforementioned Dawn of Hope .
This took me like 40 minutes, so I hope it helps.
1 month ago
Recommended Land Cuts:
Bojuka Bog - Not worth it. It comes out tapped and unless someone is both running a graveyard deck and has enough good cards in it at the same time, you're not going to get enough value out of this, or if you want to save it for that, then you have a dead land in hand and there would be far better cards like Rest in Peace and such.
Evolving Wilds - Replace with better fetch lands (see suggestions)
Gateway Plaza - Comes in tapped, costs an additional mana to play, and only gives one mana. Too slow and not good enough.
Ruins of Oran-Rief - You're running Eldrazi. You really don't need one more +1/+1. A colored mana would assist you more here as it would also help you pay for and colored spells you would like to cast.
Shrine of the Forsaken Gods - Too weak. If you don't have 7 lands then it's pretty bad. Run dual lands instead for increased versatility and reliability.
Temple of the False God - Bad overall. It's a dead draw until you have 5 lands. Unreliable and not worth it. Run dual lands instead. More versatile and reliable
1 month ago
Academy Ruins Buried Ruin Seat of the Synod Darksteel Citadel Inventors' Fair Minamo, School at Water's Edge Ancient Tomb Hall of the Bandit Lord Crystal Vein Tolaria West Reliquary Tower Mishra's Workshop Halimar Depths Temple of the False God Shrine of the Forsaken Gods
1 month ago
Deck seems...okay overall? Could still use some optimization, but you've got some neat tech.
Your interaction seems relatively lacking here - You're running Disallow and Arcane Denial , neither of which really sees any cEDH play, but no Spell Pierce , Dispel , Delay , or even Counterspell proper.
It lacks Timetwister (I'd expect it given that you ARE playing Tabernacle, so price doesn't seem to be a concern) and I'm not sure why Mindslaver is in here. Shrine of the Forsaken Gods should be a Strip Mine , and I'm honestly rather astonished at the lack of powerful stax pieces such as Grafdigger's Cage and friends.
(I also generally don't tag my decks as a primer until, you know, the primer is written, but...)
3 months ago
Sounds right. I'd try and slot in a Leonin Abunas to help reanimate some 0 drop non-creature artifacts.
Looking more closely at your list, I'd swap out both Jhoira's Familiar and Foundry Inspector. I'd put in Mycosynth Golem instead. It only makes your creatures free, but it shouldn't be much of an issue once you add the Phyrexian Altar as a 3rd mana generator.
Also, maybe swap out the Gold Myr for Mycosynth Wellspring ? Would help filter lands out of your draws.
Speaking of filtering out your draws, I haven't tested it out in my version of Teshar yet, but maybe run the Panorama cards (Esper, Bant and Naya) ? You could also use an Ancient Tomb and I'd swap out Temple of the False God for Shrine of the Forsaken Gods . And finally, an Ash Barrens .
3 months ago
putting this here so you can find it a bit easier--my recommendations are as follows.
3 months ago
In terms of cEDH I think you probably want some tutors, you're in U/R so you can look for things like Fabricate , Inventors' Fair , Mystical Tutor , Tezzeret the Seeker , and Gamble are all very good and fairly inexpensive cards to buy. Keyrune , Cluestone , Eye , Spectral Searchlight , Prismatic Lens , and Pristine Talisman are pretty inefficient for ramp in cEDH. As another side note, since you are in a 2 color deck you more than likely don't need Chromatic Lantern as you shouldn't really have a problem getting your colors. I would also swap Shrine of the Forsaken Gods for Temple of the False God , the 2 mana is 2 lands less that you need so you'll see the benefits far earlier and I don't know that you'll have time to get to 7 lands in cEDH. Psychic Spiral and Elixir of Immortality are ok for shuffling graveyards but I think Day's Undoing , Time Reversal , and Commit / Memory are probably far better.
2 counter spells is ok, I might add in like 2 more in Counterspell and Swan Song . Flusterstorm is stronger than people think... You are storm countering so when you cast it is in the first place U for counter target instant/sorcery unless it's controller pays 2 and on top of that you can choose new targets, which means if there is multiple spells on the stack you can possibly counter more than 1 spell for your 1cmc counterspell. cEDH is a super powerful format, decks are tuned af and have responses to get around your responses. Careful when you go off :) you may also want some other interaction for opponents graveyards, artifacts, enchantments and creatures.
4 months ago
The thing you wrote about mana sources with restrictions (like somberwald sage etc.) losing those restrictions is not true, Kruphix's ability only makes the mana colourless, any additional riders still apply. Take a look at the second ruling on Kruphix's Gatherer page. This means Somberwald Sage , Snowfall , Eldrazi Temple , and Shrine of the Forsaken Gods don't actually work as you're intending them to.
Snickles' advice is also wrong, Wastes is not a basic land type and doesn't count towards Collective Restraint's ability, see the 4th ruling for Wastes on the Gatherer.
I used to run Awakening in my Kruphix deck but I found it gives way too much advantage to everyone else at the table, so unless you're playing it deliberately for a group hug type effect, I would just run Worldly Tutor , Chord of Calling or Green Sun's Zenith as effectively a second copy of Seedborn Muse.
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