Primal Vigor

Legality

Format Legality
Tiny Leaders Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Vintage Legal
Leviathan Legal
Legacy Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Commander 2013 (C13) Rare

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Primal Vigor

Enchantment

If one or more tokens would be put onto the battlefield, twice that many of those tokens are put onto the battlefield instead.

If one or more +1/+1 counters would be placed on a creature, twice that many +1/+1 counters are placed on that creature instead.

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Primal Vigor Discussion

Forkbeard on Rhys the Redeemed: Power in Numbers

1 day ago

Hi AjaniShaman! That's a very subjective question, but I guess there are a few cards in here that I would consider core to any Rhys deck. The 4 token doubling enchantments are musts IMO (Anointed Procession, Doubling Season, Parallel Lives & Primal Vigor), cards that provide benefit from having an excess of token creatures (I would say that that Aura Shards, Glare of Subdual, Cryptolith Rite, Beastmaster Ascension, Cathars' Crusade, Eldrazi Monument, Chord of Calling & Natural Order fall under this category) & some general mass creature swarm win conditions (Craterhoof Behemoth, Overwhelming Stampede, Triumph of the Hordes et al).

The rest of the deck is just there to assist with that general game plan - draw, protection, ramp, removal, token friendly creatures, tutors...the usual Rhys stuff. Hopefully that helps kick start your own brew, enjoy!

Neotrup on Multiple counter modifiers

3 days ago

For a little more detail, it's the controller of the creature that chooses the order replacement effects are applied. If you control Hardened Scales and your opponent controls Primal Vigor you're still the one to choose the order

xDr_Schnugglesx on Fun guy

1 week ago

Hi.

Cuts

Avacyn, Angel of Hope doesn't seem super on theme or really that useful. I mean, yeah, it's really good. But it's also 8 mana and for 8 mana I feel like you should be winning the game. Not just protecting your 1/1s or whatever you have out.

Pallid Mycoderm, Rot Shambler, Savage Thallid, Sporecrown Thallid, Sporemound, Sporesower Thallid, and Sporoloth Ancient. I think all of them are either overcosted for what they offer, or don't offer enough. I think the best out of these is Sporemound, but I'm not sure it's good enough. You don't really ramp all that hard, and you'll have so many 1/1s anyway that I don't think it'll matter if you get a couple extra. I think these could all be replaced by more 'value' oriented cards.

Verdant Force is simply overcosted. Remove.

Trostani, Selesnya's Voice is out of place. Populating a 1/1 for 3 mana and a tap is a bad feeling, and gaining 1 life from each is trivial and could be done with Suture Priest or any soul sister (and better too). Also Trostani's mana cost is steeper than it seems (from experience).

Death's Presence is extremely overcosted for what it's trying to do here. You already have Mazirek and Cathars' Crusade for your combo win. This is worse than both.

Fungal Plots is just kinda weak. I'm super against self-gy hate, and this is no exception. You're paying 4 mana and a card for a 1/1, and then you can maybe sac 2 more creatures for some life and a draw. There are much better options for card advantage AND tokens (I'll get into it later).

Grave Pact OR Dictate of Erebos, but not both. I vote Dictate because of the easier mana cost and also Flash (plus $$$$).

Intangible Virtue is out of place. An army of 2/2 vigilance's isn't amazing, especially because your saprolings WANT to die (to slimefoot and Blood Artist and others), so tapping to attack isn't an issue. You already have other, better, team buffs so I don't really think this fits.

Night Soil is just kinda meh. It's a tougher restriction than it seems (both from the same yard).

Along with this, I don't like Necrogenesis in general, but at least it gy-hates opponents and is something you can do if you have mana left up. An early cut if you still wanna cut some stuff, but fine to leave.

Primal Vigor can backfire hard. I don't think it's worth tbh. Also the mana cost is steep for something that doesn't do anything by itself.

True Conviction is just super out of place, and that mana cost is super rough. Absolutely cut. If you were gonna have a mana cost with WWW, it's gonna be Avacyn (but it's gonna be neither).

Verdant Embrace is just too costly for what it does and what you need. If it was like 3 mana and didn't give the +3/+3, that would work, but as is it's too costly and you'll almost certainly not get a lot of value from it because people will murder the creature it's on immediately.

Honestly, I've never liked Second Harvest. It's a terrible card if you're losing and if you cast it and win, you probably would've already won anyway. It seems like win-more to me. Most cards that do nothing on their own I think are kinda meh.

I have no idea how to feel about Vona's Hunger. I'd consider removing just because if you're using this to clear a board, they're gonna keep their best shit anyway, and this is pretty trash against other token decks. The mana cost and instant speed is a nice +, but I'm not sure it's enough here.

Akroma's Memorial should be Eldrazi Monument full-stop. Giving 1/1s a bunch of keywords is useless unless those keywords are either infect or indestructible. This gives neither.

You have a lot of lands. I like running fewer lands (35) but having about ~10 sources of ramp. I'll try to figure some out as we progress.

Fungal Sprouting does nothing on it's own and I am having a tough time envisioning it being really useful. Getting 5 1/1s is great for Ghave, but for 4 mana and sorcery speed, I feel you could be doing more. It's fine for now, but consider it an early cut if needed.

Saproling Symbiosis is a hard no. It's a worse Second Harvest and I hate that card too.

Thelonite Hermit is a no. You're paying 8 mana over 2 turns for 4 1/1s that will be 2/2s for like 2 seconds. Hornet Queen is cheaper and gives you better tokens.

Glare of Subdual. This is a tough one. On the one hand, tapping down the voltron player (Seth's cats or my dragons or Zac's Tuvasa) is super dope. On the other hand, tapping is not removal and it relies on you having a creature to spare to tap. It's also 4 mana. I'd probably remove. If it was 1WG, I'd think it was good.

Growing Rites of Itlimoc  Flip is a tough one too. I think if you end up with 30+ creatures, then absolutely go for it. Any less and I think you can do better.

I strongly recommend not having more than 8 enchantments. You have 16 right now and that's just too many without some heavy enchantment recursion.

Okay. We got through it boys. Let's go to our suggestions and recommendations. This next section will include cards in your maybe board that I think are good and should go to mainboard.

Suggestions

Anafenza, the Foremost, because who doesn't like incidental GY hate on an aggressively costed body. 3 mana for a 4/4 that GY hates is something that your opponents need to answer, and more often than not their removal will be worth more to them than Anafenza is worth to you.

Elenda, the Dusk Rose is a card I've always wanted to work and this might be it. Being able to sac a huge board and then herself seems like great value. The issue with Elenda is that she can be exiled, but your commander is a sac outlet which protects against that. I think she could be a powerhouse in this deck ESPECIALLY because her tokens have lifelink. Never underestimate lifelink on tokens.

Juniper Order Ranger is just gravy. 5 mana for a boi that gets progressively larger and boosts your board is something that needs to be answered to. This will either force a boardwipe or spot removal and honestly either a win for you.

Shalai, Voice of Plenty is good. Really good. I don't think it's bad to put it in this deck.

Spike Weaver is a 100% must include. Spore Frog for 1 mana at instant speed multiple times? It's just bonkers (and this is coming from experience).

Retribution of the Ancients is super interesting and could be a powerhouse. I'm inclined to include it as instant speed removal that works on indestructible things at a minimum cost to yourself seems very good. Sure, you'll be using 3-5 counters each time, but ideally that won't be an issue since. Also it's at a mana cost price you just can't do better than.

Everything from maybeboard I didn't mention is a no.

End of Maybeboard Recommendations

Uhh, where's my babe Elspeth, Sun's Champion at?? 6 mana for either a conditional boardwipe that won't hit you that often, or for 3 token bois seems like a good deal. And if you manage to ult, you win. No one can stop a flying army of 3/3s.

Eldrazi Monument. We already talked about it but just wanna have it written down here.

Pir, Imaginative Rascal. Fucking gravy. Works with Ghave super well but also Elspeth and also your dudes who put spore counters on themselves. This is a must include. I'm kind of surprised he wasn't already in the list tbh.

Fecundity can be absolutely nutty. Sure, it helps your opponents, but it is very unlikely it'll help them more than it helps you. Also a may trigger so it won't hurt you if you don't want it to.

Dark Prophecy is also insane, tho the self damage could become hazardous. I'll recommend some things to combat this as the card is a powerhouse, even with the BBB mana cost. Remember, being at 5 life and winning is the same as being at 40 life and winning.

Loyal Guardian is a new card which could do work. Early cut, but I'll put it here if you need to fill out your creatures.

Eternal Witness is good. It's a staple. I hate that it's so important, but it just is. Consider also Skullwinder if you just wanna be different.

Heroic Intervention is the single best protection spell in green. It's basically a green Teferi's Protection for your turn and it cannot be overstated how good it is at the right time. It is the difference between "I win next turn" and "Man nice boardwipe, GG." And for 2 mana too. It's bonkers. Must include.

Anguished Unmaking. You're in Orzhov colors so you need to use them. Maybe the best spot removal ever printed, barring Assassin's Trophy from GRN.

Cryptolith Rite is disgusting. You've played slivers so you know how good Gemhide is. This is too. I think this is a must.

Zulaport Cutthroat is nice redundancy for your combo win and also nice incidental lifegain (which helps counteract Dark Prophecy's life cost).

Forgotten Ancient is bonkers. Will always become a threat and require removal. It's just good.

Hangarback Walker is solid. Dump whatever mana you have into it, gives you something to do EoT, and you'll almost always get the death trigger since your commander is a sac outlet.

Rishkar, Peema Renegade is basically a second Cryptolith Rite. It's just good and low mana cost.

Scavenging Ooze. Graveyard hate is good, and incidental synergy with counter is even better. Just a super efficient card and usually comes something that needs to be removed sooner rather than later. Using the ability as an instant in response to a 'return from graveyard' spell is a joy.

Abzan Charm is good at any point of the game. Removal, counters, card advantage. Maybe the best charm out of all of them. Cannot be overstated. This is a must include.

You have no boardwipes. What the hell. You need at least 4 in almost every deck, but you will be fine with 3 here since you have Elspeth and Dictate of Erebos. I recommend Day of Judgment, Merciless Eviction (best boardwipe ever printed ever), Austere Command (wipe everything but your 0 CMC tokens and you'll usually open a board up for swings) and Living Death. More on Living Death below.

Living Death is a pet card of mine. Mostly because of how bonkers it is. 5 mana for a boardwipe that makes everyone sac their hexproof/indestructible creatures, and then get's you everything you need back. Ideally you'll have something like Aura Shards or Dictate out as you cast this to thin your opponents board afterwards. Also, with Anafenza, Necrogenesis, Scavenging Ooze and Bojuka Bog, you should be getting more value back than anyone else consistently.

Dread Return is good. 4 mana to bring something back is the going rate and saccing 3 creatures to bring something back is double upside since more often than not saccing creatures is good. With Blood Artist that gains you 3 life and someone loses 3, with Fecundity or Dark Prophecy, you just drew 3 cards for FREE. Stupid.

Mikaeus, the Unhallowed if you have the money. Mikaeus, the Lunarch if you don't. Neither are super required, but both are good.

Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite is always always always a powerhouse. Clears the board and puts you absurdly far ahead in terms of board presence. If you have the money, put it in.

I know you're not huge on tutors, but Razaketh, the Foulblooded and Sidisi, Undead Vizier are good. Can help find answers or just combo pieces to close out a long game. If you only want one, put Razaketh because at the end of the day, an 8/8 flample for 8 is good.

Carrion Feeder is good because instant speed sac outlets with incidental counter value is good. Sac a creature, get a counter, remove counter to get another creature is good. Essentially, with Fecundity/Dark Prophecy, Ghave, and Carrion Feeder out, they read "Pay 1 mana, draw a card" and that's good. Add in Blood Artist and it's even better, and add in Pir and Ashnod's and you win. 5/6 card combos are still combos. Also Carrion is a 1 mana sac outlet and that's really good.

Requiem Angel is a card I've always wanted to use but never found the place. This might be it, chief. Essentially doubling your token count for ability activations and sac triggers, plus turns your measly 1/1 saps into 1/1 fliers, which is a huge boost.

I'd remove Aura Mutation and replace it with both Putrefy and Mortify. The reason is that I often find myself holding onto Aura Mutation hoping to get good value from it, but oftentimes I should just use it on a 2 drop enchantment like Cryptolith Rite or something. Mortify and Putrify also double as modal cards, making them never a dead card if you draw them.

You need more ramp. There is no way around it. But you need more. Cultivate, Kodamas, Nature's Lore, Farseek, etc etc. No mana rocks besides Sol Ring. You're green, use it. You could also run things like Primal Druid that give value when they die, since this is a sacrifice deck. I'd scryfall "dies/enter search library land battlefield" and choose your favorite.

Mindless Automaton just seems fun. Depending on how easy it is to put counters on stuff, this may work. Early cut for sure.

Thats all I got for now. I'll comment again if I think of more.

m_to_the_three on Ezuri, Claw of Progress (Blue/Green)

1 week ago

@carpecanum

Thank you for your suggestions! Marwyn, the Nurturer , Thada Adel, Acquisitor, and Ulvenwald Tracker will probably be good additions to the deck. Kalonian Hydra might also be good but there is always the risk of him getting kill spelled before I get a chance to swing.

The reason for Woodland Bellower is because he can tutor any small creature for me which is like 90% of my deck, he can especially tutor Fierce Empath which can tutor any of my big creatures like Craterhoof Behemoth. For Priest of Titania it ramps a lot of mana because all my mana dorks and ezuri are elfs. Phantasmal Image it just adds flexibility to the deck. Caller of the Claw is a nice way to have creatures on board just in case of a board wipe. Avenger of Zendikar is good by himself but combos really well with Craterhoof Behemoth thanks to Tooth and Nail.

I might take out Primal Vigor for one of your suggestions because that card is strong but it sadly helps my opponents too much. Also I have Doubling Season which is a great card.

Thanks once again. If you have any other tips please let me know.

Calyptic on Rhys, the redeemed

1 week ago

Parallel Lives is a must in any token deck with Green. I would say replace From Beyond since the second ability is completely dead since you have no other Eldrazi, plus you should have plenty of Token Generation without it.

Zendikar Resurgent Would also definitely help your ramp out. Use it latter to replace Primal Vigor as Primal actually helps all players instead of just you.

Savage1988 on [[Primer v3.3]] - OM_RATH!!! (2018 Update!!!)

1 week ago

Hi there, awesome deck and a great inspiration for my maybe-board!

I found a couple things missing in your list that i was curious about:

I’m sure your list is impossibly tight, but these options i think merit at least consideration if you didn’t know of them yet.

Either way +1. If you happen to be able to glance at my new list. It could use some help :)

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ZendikariWol on Atraxa +1/+1 counters for critters

2 weeks ago

Okay so just going through my list here, I can split it into a couple lists: counter producers, counter enhancers, and counter synergies.

Counter producers give +1/+1 counters to things. Among them are Anafenza, the Foremost, Bloodtracker, Chasm Skulker, Daghatar the Adamant, Dragonscale General, Drana, Liberator of Malakir, Hangarback Walker, Heroes' Bane, Managorger Hydra, Mikaeus, the Lunarch, Prime Speaker Zegana, Toothy, Imaginary Friend Citadel Siege, Curse of Predation, Ajani, Adversary of Tyrants, Cathars' Crusade, Echoes of the Kin Tree, and finally, arguably the best of this group, Ajani, Mentor of Heroes.

Counter enhancers increase the counters placed on things: Gilder Bairn, Pir, Imaginative Rascal, Vorel of the Hull Clade, Winding Constrictor, Doubling Season, Hardened Scales, Primal Vigor, and Solidarity of Heroes.

Finally, counter synergies, such as Abzan Battle Priest, Armorcraft Judge, Battlefront Krushok, Cenn's Tactician, Fathom Mage, Zameck Guildmage, Hindervines, Inspiring Call, and Bred for the Hunt.

Boy oh boy do I hope that's enough to get ya started. There you go.

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