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At the beginning of each player's upkeep, if that player has no cards in hand, you draw a card and lose 1 life.
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Asylum Visitor Discussion
2 weeks ago
i dont like 8 rack but imma help you out, you are going to want like 2x the ammount of removal and probably Bontu's Last Reckoning split some main some side, also man lands are very good in this deck Mutavault is best but for budget you could jank out a Dread Statuary or Spawning Pool
3 weeks ago
not feeling Falkenrath Gorger and Asylum Visitor since the creatures themselves have to be discarded first then you can pay the madness cost and you dont have self discard; Quag Vampires if you really need that one attacker to get through works with the play group; Tithe Drinker feel there are better vampires than this....
3 weeks ago
I played 8 rack for a couple of years and the deck is both quite budget friendly and a bunch of fun! I found that running 7-8 "racks" made the deck the most consistent (as the name 8-rack implies), so I would recommend putting in 3-4 Shrieking Affliction. Playing 24 lands with 4 Raven's Crime also adds a lot of consistency (it's actually a really good card), especially when running a couple of Dakmor Salvage for recursion.
In my experience, effects that trigger when an opponent discards a card are risky to run, because the aim of the deck is usually to get your opponent empty handed ASAP and they are difficult to trigger after that. If you want to play Liliana's Caress I would say play it with in a red/black deck focused around that sort of effect with cards like Burning Inquiry, Reforge the Soul and Waste Not (see this deck: https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/waste-not-storm-combo/).
Some sideboard options to consider: Throne of Geth against Chalice of the Void on 1 - this is something we see a bit of at the moment in legacy. Throne can sacrifice itself to add a counter to chalice and let you resolve your spells again. Asylum Visitor gives you card draw against decks that can't easily refill their hand and a creature to sideboard in to beat down through Leyline of Sanctity.
Finally, a few of the brewier pieces I used to run were Smallpox and Rotting Rats. Smallpox is something that doesn't hurt us as much as most decks and can mana screw people as well as kill a creature. It's good with Lingering Souls if you have enough ways to discard the souls, so you don't have to play white. Rotting Rats does a bit of a Liliana of the Veil impression by making multiple discard triggers go off, and the unearth can't be countered. APPLE01DOJ above mentioned Necrogen Mists which might actually be better than the rats.
Anyway good to see the deck still has some interest, have fun making opponents sad ;)
1 month ago
Glad to hear I was of some help!
As far as getting ahead with aggro goes, there's a couple things to keep in mind. You want to spend all your mana every turn to ensure your opponent is dead as fast as possible. In order to achieve that you want to keep your curve as low as possible - maximizing on 1-2 drops with 3 being top end and 4 being your absolute lategame. That in mind, you might want to drop a few 3s for some more 1-2s. Metallic Mimic, Stromkirk Condemned, Heir of Falkenrath Flip, and Asylum Visitor are all great options for the 2 slot, and Lightning Bolt is the biggest aggro piece you're missing from the 1 slot. Falkenrath Gorger would also be a reasonable call for the 1 slot.
Ruthless Cullblade is great if your opponent is already at or below 10, but doesn't do much to actually help you get them there. I'd say it'd probably worth cutting in favor of one of the other two drops mentioned above. Rakish Heir would also be reasonable to cut for one of the above cards since it's easily the worst 3 drop vampire you have here.
Before you make any cuts though, there's another general rule of aggro you should consider - lands. Typically speaking, the more aggressive your deck is, the fewer lands you want to run. After all, what are you going to do with a 5th land? Or a 6th? Your highest cost is 4 and there's only so many things you can play in one turn. With your current setup, you probably don't want to draw more than 5-6 lands in the whole game. With that in mind, you can (and should) significantly drop the number of lands you're playing. 21-23 would be a much more appropriate number for your deck, depending on what the cost of the cards you add in is. That gives you 4-6 more slots to fit things like the vamps I mentioned above or some more removal (4x terminate is pretty low. Maybe consider 2x Fatal Push to bring it up to 6)
I know you say this is meant for your friends, but if you ever want to take it to an fnm or anything more competetive I'd be more than happy to help you build a sideboard, too :)
Whatever you decide to do, good luck!
1 month ago
1 month ago
Hi, welcome to modern, which is a faster format than you probably think.
You will get clobbered over the head by a 4/4 Hollow One by turn 2 on a regular basis. Having Lich's Caress as you removal spell of choice is then not very useful - the golem is just about done flattening you by the time you get to kill it. So... something much easier on the mana is needed. Fatal Push is the most popular, but for more budget-conscious deckbuilders, Victim of Night, Doom Blade, Hero's Downfall, and Go for the Throat are all possible alternatives (along with a bunch of other black removal spells - there are plenty to choose from).
You can also get removal with legs. Gatekeeper of Malakir is a decent enough card in a budget meta. Fleshbag Marauder is better if you are heavily into zombies (or other creatures), that can come back from the graveyard on their own.
Discard is more or less a necessity when playing black in modern. Thoughtseize is the better option, with Inquisition of Kozilek in the second place, and Duress as the very budget alternative. Don't bother discarding creatures out of your opponents hand with Despise - you're playing black, you'll have plenty of creature removal. You can get more powerful discard effects than these... but they also cost more mana. And the strength of 1-mana discard is that you trade your discard-card for the best card on your opponents opening hand, which you can't do the same extent with more mana-expensive cards. Also of note is Collective Brutality, both for the discard, but also because it can be used for set-up with your own graveyard. Technically speaking, Smallpox is also a discard spell - pretty strong, but takes a lot of set-up.
You can try to win on discard. Then you just have a look at an 8-rack deck somewhere, and try and make that. A card that sometimes shows up instead of expensive liliana, is Necrogen Mists. I guess you could use it in a budget monoblack control deck too - if you have a lot of recurring creatures. It could also be played with Howltooth Hollow (but that's not good if you want mana out of your Cabal Stronghold or if you can't get both players discarded to 0).
In terms of card draw, someone else already mentioned Phyrexian Arena and Dark Confidant (a.k.a. Bob). There are a bunch of bob look-a-likes too (all of which are much worse, though), and if you play in a budget meta, some of those might appeal to you. Personally, I like Asylum Visitor in my 8-rack deck, but I guess it would be good in any deck that tries to set the game into top-deck-mode.
Why all the different lilianas? Mostly, they aren't really good enough for modern, Liliana, the Last Hope being an exception (not good enough = too much mana for too little effect). Also, you've forgotten one of the better lillis: Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip.
1 month ago
usaDiabetic I've updated the description. 30-35 lands is as trim as it can go, haha!
It is true that once there are more than 3 opponents this kind of strategy faces greater opposition. I've played most often with 1-4 opponents but 4, 5, or more opponents would be trouble!
To be fair to the deck, the card draw of Herald's Horn, Skullclamp, The Immortal Sun, Vanquisher's Banner, Asylum Visitor, Champion of Dusk, Dusk Legion Zealot, Forerunner of the Legion, Twilight Prophet, Dark Prophecy, Necropotence, Phyrexian Arena and reanimation of Victimize, Patriarch's Bidding, Living Death, Bloodline Necromancer help sustain after board wipes.
Enough creatures have excellent effects as well to benefit from being knocked out including Kheru Bloodsucker, Paladin of Atonement, Elenda, the Dusk Rose, Kalastria Highborn, Pawn of Ulamog, Voldaren Pariah Flip, Bloodghast, Oathsworn Vampire, Viscera Seer, Blood Artist, and Falkenrath Noble.
And for disruption/removal there's New Blood, The Immortal Sun, Voldaren Pariah Flip, Vampire Hexmage, Thief of Blood, Patron of the Vein, Captivating Vampire, Bloodhusk Ritualist, Gatekeeper of Malakir, Guul Draz Assassin, and Bishop of Binding.
I'm open to suggestion though. Any other removal options you might recommend?
1 month ago
I'm not a fan of mindcrank without Bloodchief Ascension. It almost never pays off, and so many decks want cards in their graveyard you can get punished pretty hard. Jamming Rakdos Charm maindeck can offset some of that, but giving your opponent card advantage is a real risk. Burning inquiry carries similar problems, and without you running lots of cards that want to be in your graveyard, will likely help your opponent more than you.
I'm guessing this started as a delayed damage Emberwilde Augur Insult Rift Bolt list, possibly including Flame of Keld, which then morphed into a Waste Not variant. Its a fun idea- I've never made it work without it becoming a different deck.
First things first, if you want a damage/discard hybrid deck, you need to decide- how important is the discard? Is the this the rack, or is it a burn deck with blightnings?
If your meta has aggro decks that typically only have 1 card in hand turn four, a lot of discard is wasted. If its all control, then you'll want to be jamming as much as you possibly can just to keep from being locked out of the game. The big thing is that with fifteen cards sideboard, you can pack in 11 copies of duress variants and 4 shrieking afflictions. The sideboard is there to adapt you to your meta- whether that be by jamming silver bullet answers or completely changing your strategy in response. Just by swapping Lightning Bolt alikes for Duress you completely change the pace and playstyle of your deck.
I have a big list of mono black cards I use for brews here Mono black deckbuilder's toolbox, in particular Sign in Blood and Night's Whisper- both net you more cards in a way that red struggles with, and in a pinch can finish off someone on five life with lighting bolt.
Elixir of immortality is cute. Personally, I prefer Sun Droplet or the new Fountain of Renewal, and sometimes Golden Urn. Shuffling the graveyard back in is usually a disadvantage outside of 'draw your deck' combos.
Finally, remember to build something that is fun to play. Its all well and good knowing the 'best' option, but if it ain't fun, it ain't worth it. So always keep that in mind when choosing cards.
(edit- also just maindeck angrath. He locks a player out of the game like lilana and doesn't break the bank)