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Whenever an opponent discards a creature card, create a 2/2 black Zombie creature token.
Whenever an opponent discards a land card, add to your mana pool.
Whenever an opponent discards a noncreature, nonland card, draw a card.
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Waste Not Discussion
1 day ago
That's an interesting idea. Honestly Orzhov and Rakdos don't offer much for a zombie theme. It can still be awesome though, here's my suggestion:
Start with wheels, you want to run a lot of them including some like Shattered Perception as this will greatly speed the deck up. I'd say around 10 to 12 is a good number and don't forget Waste Not/Liliana's Caress to capitalize on the wheels like 9 Wheel of Fortune, Memory Jar, etc. Don't forget Past in Flames also, you will need to reuse those wheels!
Next I'd focus on recursion, Patriarch's Bidding, Living Death and the like are golden. I'd only use one single target, Reanimate, because Lord of the Undead and Unholy Grotto fill this role pretty well.
Lastly I'd focus on a few removal like Anguished Unmaking and wraths. Lots of wraths, probably 6 to 8.
All in all, the deck should run fine though it will probably win less than a Dimir list since a lot of zombie combos include blue. You'll still win through a long grindy games of Attrition though if you disrupt combo decks. Things like Torpor Orb and Damping Matrix may help. Anyways good luck!
2 days ago
I build mono black the entire time- not running multiplayer with it often- here is my Mono black deckbuilder's toolbox- its a big list of modern good cards. For multiplayer I'd like something like Delirium Skeins and Waste Not for that big 'I scale based on number of opponents' play, but Endless Whispers speaks to something like a Dark Prophecy as a draw engine and Quest for the Gravelord for a cheap beatstick. Zombie Infestation discard/draw madness with Dark Withering and Asylum Visitor could work well. Elusive Tormentor Flip could work as a wincon. Mortician Beetle is a little too easy to remove. Tar Fiend/Pawn of Ulamog and some smaller creatures like Rotting Rats/Zulaport Cutthroat/Genesis Chamber/Basilica Screecher could kick butt. Grudge Keeperif you run conspiracy cards. Salvage Slasher Salvage Titan if you want to artifact it up, with Lashwrithe and Witchbane Orb. on a more fun note Treacherous Pit-Dweller. Geier Reach Sanitarium/Sea Gate Wreckage/Blighted Fen on lands.
Black, I feel, is the best placed mono-colour in modern in terms of veratiliy- it has a huge toolbox and a lot of unexpected but viable cards, use it to your advantage, and if in doubt Sign in Blood/Night's Whisper.
3 days ago
If you're trying to stay competitive Modern, you may want to try to fit in Necrogen Mists if Veil isn't an option. I hate it for casual as I prefer to keep cards in my hand, but 8-Rack doesn't necessarily need card draw, and I t usually top decks pretty well.
I'd also go creatureless altogether. Nezumi and Visitor are tempting and certainly fit in some cases, but they'll more likely just end up as fodder for the removal your opponent is sure to be holding. Same reason I only run Waste Not in casual.
Other cards I can think of that you can upgrade to are:
- Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth - allows a more solid mana base, especially if you have non-basics floating in your library like Dakmore and...
- Mutavault - emergency blocker and surprise attacker when the field is empty. I use Mishra's Factory casual, but the idea is the same; it's actually won me quiet a few games.
- Murderous Cut - good alternative to Dismember (which is a big staple of most decks) and maybe even better than Victim in the current meta dependent on your playgroup.
You can see my casual deck here if you need more ideas: 8-Smack.
3 days ago
Very Awesome deck but my friends do not want to play against me with this deck xD.they always cry if im playing Waste Not and get tons of value.
5 days ago
those are just a few of the card that are mono black that I like. I really like black enchantments some other really good ones are Waste Not but that's for if you have the ability to make them discard a lot, Pestilence and Contamination are great ones for control a good creature would be Hell's Caretaker but like I said check out my page man it will help the most.
1 week ago
I like this deck a lot.
Ways to not suffer from one's own milling:
-- Feldon's Cane - When your library is getting thin, just plow those used cards right back in.
-- Elixir of Immortality - Same deal, and you already include it. I see we think alike.
Playing so many symmetrical draw effects, like Font of Mythos and Howling Mine, means you will be doing some discarding of your own, due to hand size limits. You're including 2, which is about right.
Ways to make sure your deck plan gets to play:
-- Again, you've hit the nail on the head with Diabolic Tutor. Demonic Tutor, which is in your Maybeboard, is even better, if you can get them. Four is definitely not too many.
I'd be tempted to consider mono-black, given the mana production of your key card Waste Not, but your use of red looks good. Half of your red cards are color intensive, needing RR as part of the cost. That could be an issue sometimes.
With this much drawing and discarding, you may get some wins on milling alone. On that note, and as another way to get damage in, you could consider Book Burning, though the main theme here is discarding.
I think it's better to not to give the opponent a larger / unlimited hand size. If they're drawing more cards than they can cast, you're causing what you want, discards. No need to save their cards in hand for your other discard cards when you can get them based on hand size limits. No point in letting them hold onto more potential ways to break up your combo either.
In a deck like this, you need a way to last until your combo starts working, especially against aggro matchups, so a little life gain and creature removal can help. You already have Elixir of Immortality, which gives a little life, but you may want the life sooner than you want to rebuild your library. Vampire Nighthawk is an incredible value, which can block and kill a threat and can get damage in while gaining you life. Consume Spirit, Drain Life and their cousins are great for removal and life gain, so a couple of those might help, at least in the sideboard.
As I say, loving this deck idea. I've done something like it in mono-black, but yours may be better for the red element.
2 weeks ago
Those are good points. I agree you list probably doesn't fold to a single stax piece but I was being a bit hyperbolic. Sorry. Most stax lists run quite a few and if they only run the powerful ones then it only takes a couple to become oppressive.
Also have you considered Gemstone Caverns, I think the card is amazing for a combo list.
How has Waste Not performed for you?
2 weeks ago
I'd have to say Gwen. She's the most disruptive of the three that hit hands & you can always run Jeleva in the deck.