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Whenever an opponent discards a creature card, create a 2/2 black Zombie creature token.
Whenever an opponent discards a land card, add to your mana pool.
Whenever an opponent discards a noncreature, nonland card, draw a card.
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Waste Not Discussion
2 days ago
Since you’re red as well, might I suggest Burning Inquiry ? In conjunction with Waste Not and/or Notion Thief , the card is straight up dumb. It’s good by itself as well, especially on turn one; if you’re going relatively early in the rotation, you can mess up your opponents’ mulligans.
2 days ago
Hi Arcan1s_666, thanks for the comment.
I'm still very much in progress modifying my list after WAR. So far it looks like at minimum I'll be losing Liliana Vess and Tezzeret the Seeker and Nicol Bolas, the Deceiver . I'm also looking at increasing the number of instants and sorceries, partially to leverage the new God-Eternal Kefnet . This includes more focus on asymmetric discard sorceries (think Arterial Flow ). Some of these may replace a few of the wheels, because the desired effect is to produce card advantage for me (by reducing opponents cards in hand, or more ideally doing that while also getting card draw from Geth's Grimoire ). I agree that wheeling can be tough when you have one combo piece in hand and few ways to recur them. I use wheels because they force my opponents to discard their entire hands, which gives me a ton of triggers, and because I can Notion Thief to keep those hands empty.
Another answer to that specific problem is to wheel when it would be advantageous to do so even when you have a partial combo. Obviously if you have a full combo you want to keep that hand, but if you have one piece of a combo but you have Geth's Grimoire or Waste Not , go ahead and wheel - you'll draw such a giant flood of cards that you're likely to draw a piece of a different combo and/or a tutor or two. Playing with wheels often requires learning to "let go" of your existing hand even when it has a few pieces you'd like to keep.
I'm also likely to add Yawgmoth's Will back in. It's just too good. Previously I thought I could replace it with Deliver Unto Evil for both cost and flavor, but I think the ideal is actually to just run both. Playing out of my opponents' graves is great, but I'd very much like to play from my own as well when needed.
1 week ago
I’d recommend Waste Not . It’s an absolute engine and sorta turns this deck into a weird version of Storm.
If you’re having mana troubles, I would suggest going straight B/R.
1 week ago
Waste Not with the Sire is awesome. Better keep people drawing cards tho. Dark Deal , Burning Inquiry and Collective Defiance are in your colors. Blue offers Jace's Archivist , Windfall and Magus of the Jar .
2 weeks ago
While Waste Not is a great card, i don't really have any hand disruption in the deck so it will almost never trigger.
BlackDeegs on 10Rack
4 weeks ago
Honestly. You're probably 100% right, but we won't find out for about 6 days as I took my old "The Rack" deck and reassembled it and the Waste Not are a new addition which I ordered in the mail and didn't arrive in time for modern night. They may end up being sideboard against decks with a lot of card draw?
I thought they would be good because if I Inquisition of Kozilek turn 1, Waste Not turn 2, then on the third turn each discard will produce extra value and if I have a Wrench Mind or Smallpox or Raven's Crime and they choose to discard a land, it gives me mana to empty my hand in turn emptying their hand. Its highly likely that this doesn't actually end up being the case. I used to be an avid rack player, got out of magic for a while, and then ever since I have been back have thought about building 8rack ( Shrieking Affliction didn't exist when I played it) and I finally just got the Liliana and Shrieking Affliction to put it together.
I am however also considering removing Fatal Push for Liliana's Triumph as it would come for an extra mana with card value of a discard in many situations and at instant speed, plus the kill spell aspect would be unchanged. Would love your thoughts on that because again, I haven't played Rack in quite a while and it seems to have improved quite a bit (although the entire meta has power-creeped).
1 month ago
I would cut the cards that capitalize on discard such as Waste Not and Liliana's Caress , I don't see enough ways to consistently make people discard to capitalize on them. I do believe I saw 3 discard engines total, Liliana of the Veil , painful quandry and Words of Waste . Just doesn't seem worth it imo. I would also cut Triskaidekaphobia just beca use it seems too situational to actually benefit from and could accidentally kill you instead if things don't go your way.
I'm kinda surprised that with all of this black mana generation and burn being the theme, there aren't more x spells such as Torment of Hailfire or Consume Spirit . They seem like good fits here. Corrupt is sort of like an x spell, but with the added benefit of not eating all your mana. Hope some of these help.
Waste Not occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.03%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.03%
U/B/R (Grixis): 0.66%