Waste Not

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pioneer Legal
Planechase Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Waste Not

Enchantment

Whenever an opponent discards a creature card, create a 2/2 black Zombie creature token.

Whenever an opponent discards a land card, add .

Whenever an opponent discards a noncreature, nonland card, draw a card.

Raven_of_Arella on Tourach and the Rats

2 weeks ago

This looks like a really cool discard deck! I am curious what your win condition is? It seems like you can pump your commander up pretty quickly so maybe commander damage for the win? I might consider adding a few more land and/or a couple pieces of ramp so you can keep the pressure up and not worry about missing your land drops. If your goal is to win with commander damage Fake Your Own Death and Undying Malice are some cheap cards for keeping him on the battlefield. I would also look at Victimize for some reanimation and Dash Hopes for a last ditch counter attempt. Some cards I think will help you dig into your deck and capitalize off opponent discards are Waste Not and Liliana's Spoils. I might also look at some cards like Invoke Despair, Indulgent Tormentor, and Seizan, Perverter of Truth to keep the pressure on your opponents and add to the ping effect. Lastly I would recommend Crypt Incursion for some massive life gain and as a piece of graveyard hate. All of these cards should be in that <$2 category. Happy building and playing!

legendofa on Reinvented wheel

1 month ago

One thought about Hullbreacher here is that it almost totally negates damage from Underworld Dreams and Sheoldred, the Apocalypse, and quickly gives Liliana's Caress and Waste Not nothing to do.

All these cards want the opponent to be continually drawing and discarding, which Hullbreacher shuts down. It works better as part of a lockdown prison or 8-rack deck alongside cards like Shrieking Affliction or The Rack.

It's still a viable card, and does good things with Sphinx's Tutelage and creates a lock with wheels in general, but I would move it to the sideboard or use it as part of a different deck. If nothing else, this deck should have a way to sacrifice it or get rid of it quickly when you have a bunch of the other payoff cards out.

legendofa on MBC: 8-Rack

6 months ago

Waste Not wants the opponent to be discarding regularly, not just topdecking with an empty hand. Effects that draw before discarding give it the most juice--Burning Inquiry is probably the best option, but cards like Prismari Command or Lore Broker also could work.

Basically, when you get your opponent's hand empty, do you want to play more restictively or more dynamically? Shrieking Affliction and The Rack want an empty hand, Liliana's Caress and Waste Not want discarding.

Icbrgr on MBC: 8-Rack

6 months ago

Ok today I have been jamming in a crap ton of games with Waste Not.... It's exactly how I remember it and I have such a love/hate for this card. SOMETIMES it works and can draw into the spell that wins the game or provided that life saving/game winning 2/2 token; but when its bad its just terrible... and im assuming Liliana's Caress is worse.

My Issue that I have with it is that I only get 1 or 2 triggers off of it when its in my opening hand and having enabling discard spells to cast. And If I ever find myself in a game state where I have stabilized and topdeck it on Turn four or later... its just a brick whereas drawing into The Rack/Shrieking Affliction either begins the clock of 3 damage/life loss a turn or just greatly accelerates an already existing clock.

Does anyone else have a different experience using these cards? Because I really want to use them but I just feel like either im doing it wrong maybe or just need to move on from them.

Icbrgr on MBC: 8-Rack

6 months ago

oh that's sick! I always disregarded Funeral Charm thinking it was sorcery speed jank... that certainly makes it a lot more interesting now that I look closer at it (I blame the retro boarder lol)... I am coming around to the idea that if not mainboard I will NEED to have some number/combination of Waste Not/Liliana's Caress in the sideboard to bring in for either the opponents artifact hate or Leyline of Sanctity (does anyone run that anymore?).

DMFF on MBC: 8-Rack

6 months ago

Icbrgr when I last tested it, I was running 4x The Rack, 4x Shrieking Affliction and 3x Waste Not, though I feel Waste Not could go down to 2.

Liliana's Caress actually could be a decent idea. I know that you mentioned not knowing of any instant speed discard, so I will be happy to show you Funeral Charm. While the other two modes aren't great, running a copy or two along side Caress could be another viable strategy.

Icbrgr on MBC: 8-Rack

6 months ago

@DMFF thanks for the reassurance! I know i have a playset in my collection and ill dig em out and give them a try... would you suggest it as a 3x The Rack 3x Shrieking Affliction and 2x Waste Not?

@ChocolatePuma oh yeah I have always loved Megrim and the strictly better Liliana's Caress! I think the only issue I have with those cards is Empty handed opponents in topdeck mode... it feels really good early buy feels bad in the late game... I don't know of any instant speed discard effects outside of Nezumi Shortfang  Flip to rely on Caress? How did you utilize Liliana's Caress? Does it just work better side by side with The Rack than im giving it credit for? I fortunatly have had a full playset for years now and am totally open to trying it out!

DMFF on MBC: 8-Rack

6 months ago

@Icbrgr I have playtested 8-Rack WITH Waste Not. It is honestly my favorite wincon for 8-Rack. Since you're going to be discarding cards from your opponent's hand anyway, it synergizes very well to get you creatures or card advantage that you otherwise wouldn't have. It can be a bit inconsistent as you aren't guaranteed to discard the cards you need to, but I find that it's better to have it than not. Definitely worth considering.

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