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Unknown Shores Discussion
1 day ago
Okay, I'm back! Some good color-fixers that I have found helpful in 5 color decks: Ancient Ziggurat, Thran Quarry, Reflecting Pool, Opal Palace, Holdout Settlement, Unknown Shores, and Cryptolith Rite.
I would personally swap some of these for lands that enter tapped. It'll help speed up the land base while still making sure you have good color options. You can also go with things like Zendikar Resurgent, Mana Reflection, and Mirari's Wake. I would also consider shifting the and base to be more basics and using fetch cards like Myriad Landscape and the panoramas to thin the deck and get even more creatures out. Obviously you'll have the tutor ability going strong, but this will help early game and also give you protection from things like Blood Moon and Ruination, which would make this deck scoop 9/10 times.
Some other cards that could speed things up are the classic Bear Umbra, Urza's Incubator, and Cryptic Gateway. With such a creature-heavy deck, the latter can be really powerful because you can use your weenies or important cards to help get more ground-pounders out. It also allows you to put a creature on the battlefield during an opponent's turn at instant speed, which in this deck could be a killer surprise. I'd also consider adding Call to the Kindred in. It's a weird card to play and can make a creature a big target, but it would probably get you a free creature every turn.
I think my only other suggestion is Distant Melody, if you find your running out of a hand later in the game.
Again, I really enjoyed looking this deck over. Great work!
4 weeks ago
I see you have Gemhide Sliver but no Manaweft Sliver? Let me start by saying that these two mana slivers are the best two cards in your deck and you should run both. When these come out, your deck can just go bonkers. In fact, I'd go as far as saying that you should try to run even more of these effects. Cryptolith Rite and Song of Freyalise also give the same effect attached to an enchantment. Now, ramp isn't the only reason you want these cards. These cards are the primary pieces in your Commander's combos. Once your commander and a mana sliver are in play, you just need one more piece. Two cards can fit this last role, and I run them both in my Sliver deck. Paradox Engine and Intruder Alarm. What happens is that when your Commander is in play and you can tap for at least 4-5 mana with your creatures, then you can use his ability to search for a 1-2 CMC sliver, play it, then up tap all 4-5 slivers. Now your mana base just grew, assuming you have haste (which you can search for first), and you can do it again until all your 1 CMC slivers are in play, each one gaining you more mana than the last. Then from there you can proceed to put every single sliver in your library directly into play unless some one can stop you. It creates an infinite combo where infinite is defined as the number of slivers in your deck. If you're going all out for Queen and Legion, then you'll want to make sure you've got this combo in your deck too. It's slivers 101.
I've been working on my Sliver EDH list for years now, so it isn't exactly budget. But it started out that way. Here's a link if you're interested.. I'd really suggest taking a look at the mana base. My mana base is still pretty much fully budget and it reaches 5 colors a lot more easily than what you have here. You want to run all 10 tri-color lands, this really helps hitting your 5 colors. Then, there are many budget 5 color lands that help drastically. Consider Cascading Cataracts, Command Tower, Exotic Orchard, Grand Coliseum, Mirrodin's Core, Path of Ancestry, Rupture Spire, Sliver Hive, Temple of the False God, Terramorphic Expanse, Transguild Promenade, and Unknown Shores. Not having 5 colors available will hurt you 10x more than having lands come into play tapped.
1 month ago
2 months ago
I have everything that comes with the Original Pre Constructed Subjective Reality deck, and everything inside the maybe board are all things that i can either afford or actually own.
I dont get a ton of chances to play commander other than 1 or 2 games on the weekend, but i want to get this deck all polished up before my friend holds a party that will be hosting Commander as one of the for fun events at his party. My biggest problem is that i lack the ability to polish decks when i am new to the format, and im feeling just as lost as i was when i started in standard.
if it helps, the cards i own on the Maybe Board are Gonti, Lord of Luxury, Kaya, Ghost Assassin, Esper Panorama, Temple of the False God, Venser, the Sojourner, Augury Adept, Oath of Teferi, Council of the Absolute, Sunken Hollow, Unknown Shores, Prairie Stream, Spell Queller (might have more but thats all i can remember off of the top of my head.
2 months ago
Thanks for the feedback. It actually works both in commander and modern. You just need to replace Command Tower and Path of Ancestry by Shimmering Grotto and Unknown Shores to swap between the two. It was classified as modern so I wouldn't add cards in the deck which weren't modern legal while I was tweaking. Although it works totally fine in modern and doesn't rely too much on the commander, it's mainly commander so I switch it back.
3 months ago
I think you are missing the point Boza made regarding Wastes. Wastes are a lot easier to add to the game than a new coloured basic land would be.
Why is that? Generation of colourless mana is a staple of this game. In sealed and draft, if you do not pull any wastes, you were still likely to pull Unknown Shores, Crumbling Vestige, etc. Further, there were not many cards requiring , and most of those were at higher mana costs--at that point, you were likely to have drawn your land. In standard, you always would have access to better lands than Wastes, such as Mirrorpool.
A new colored land would be a nightmare for sealed and casual drafts--after all, you're unlikely to have the right lands at your land station. Unlike with Oath of the Gatewatch, where additional colorless lands were not really needed as no one was drafting a mono-colorless deck, that's not how it would be with a new color.
4 months ago
You could try Crosis's Catacombs instead. It's kind of like a Karoo, but comes into play untapped and it's a three color land.
5 months ago
SenseiRamen Here I come again! I'm glad some of my suggestions were helpful, I hope you're doing well with this version. It seems really cool, well done. :)
I tried a Mathas, Fiend Seeker's deck on my own those last week, with some cards I had left on my collection (so it's far from being optimized), and it's been a hell of good fun. I love the dilemma it causes on the game's state as even if you aren't the greatest tread everyone will play around your decisions and beware your control tools. This commander has surely a lot of serious potentials to exploit.
Before anything else, let me excuse myself for a mistake, I hadn't understood the interaction between the Kulrath Knight and Mathas at first sight... gosh, it's just insane! I really have to give a closer look at those cards I've nearly never seen. That's well thought!
Let's see now what we can improve once again. The etb sub-theme you choose to explore is definitely interesting, and as it goes I would suggest you replacing some creature over 4 mana cost (in order to make the Sun Titan even more reliable) with smaller ones with powerful etb effects. You could maybe, for the example, run something like a Bone Shredder, a Fleshbag Marauder, a Shivan Emissary (nice card but it will only trigger if you play it from your hand. The same is true for the Gatekeeper of Malakir, which is not a good idea there as its mana cost it 3B), a Duergar Hedge-Mage, a Ghitu Slinger (meh card though, the Bone Shredder is like...thousand times better), a Tooth Collector (delirium seems complicated to trigger, so I don't know if it could be that great), a Tidehollow Sculler, a Mesmeric Fiend, etc. I will give you further replacement's ideas for some of those.
Speaking of creatures around 3 manas, you could also play Kambal, Consul of Allocation, which is powerful and flavorful in a political meaning. For more cards with a cruel synergy with Mathas, you could even consider playing the Rampaging Ferocidon.
You may give a try to the Panharmonicon, or even to the Conjurer's Closet, if you do some changes this way, but I can't assure you it'll be that effective. The Cloudstone Curio, that I already suggested you in my first message, is certainly better (but a little more expensive), as it combines absurdly well with Tetzimoc, Primal Death and actually better with cards with Echo (if you decide to go for the Shredder).
Another really good option to never run out of removals is the creation of a Sunforger package. It generally consists of playing Mistveil Plains and something like 7-8 targetable removals. If you bought the Markov EDH deck (which contains Mathas), you could add in the Teferi's Protection (absurd and unfun card, but it's just so strong that you'll always appreciate it). I will, if you're ok with investing in just one card, replace Ob Nixilis Reignited with a Scroll Rack. If you plan to go to some Battlebond's drafts, try to get a Land Tax. It's certainly not a necessity if you play in a casual group, but it will give your global deck a lift - Scroll Rack / Land Tax interaction is what makes the Boros decks viable, as you play black in addition to those colours, you should be able to generate an excellent consistency between draw / ramp / control.
As it stands, you play the Rocky Tar Pit with only basic lands tutorizable, so it's basically just an Evolving Wilds that etb tapped. ^^' Smoldering Marsh and Canyon Slough are both affordable and very good for budget decks. If you decide to invest in a Scroll Rack or get the chance to get it by trading, Madblind Mountain is also a nice option as it enables you to re-shuffle a band hand in your library and to draw a brand new one.
A few suggestions (including replacement ideas) :
Duergar Hedge-Mage IN > Cataclysmic Gearhulk OUT (the CG (worst abbreviation of all times) is interesting, but most of the times it will put you in really uncomfortable situations. You play a bunch of artefacts and enchantments, so you'll often end sacrificing too many cards to inverse the course of the game. I understand the idea that it enables you getting rid of your opponents' enchantments/artefacts... but they can choose which one they keep so it's not even that good in the best scenarios.
Bone Shredder IN > Fountain Watch OUT (Having protection for your cards is always great, but the FW feels just way too weak. It's expensive to cast and have a minimal impact on the board state. It doesn't offer you any interaction with your other cards that can justify it... you will just prefer something that offers you more control on the game and which works well with Sun Titan.)
Cloudstone Curio IN > Ambition's Cost OUT (Draw is pretty important in this kind of deck, so why did I chose to cut the Ambition's Cost? It's not a bad card on its own, it's even fairly good tbh, but I feel you just don't need it. With Mathas' ability, Phyrexian Arena (and maybe later Scroll Rack), you're still gonna draw a lot of cards - you won't need it. The Cloudstone provides you with a powerful grip for the late game. Being able to recast your etb tread is just insane.
Scroll Rack IN > Indulgent Tormentor OUT (Again, the Tormentor is not that bad... but it's not that great either. It's slow and understated. Most of the time, your opponent will just pay the 3 life needed, if the Tormentor doesn't die to any blast since then. The Scroll Rack is godlike but I could understand your reluctance about the investment it symbolizes. Go for a Sunforger in this case (honnestyl I'll play both of them in a optimized list).
Land Tax IN > Bonfire of the Damned OUT (The Bonefire is strong, but it only gains a miracle cost if it's the first card you drew this turn. It's not that unreliable but it's still is a bit. I will prefer an effective and sure board clear over it. You will find one just there below ^^)
Fire Covenant IN > Void Winnower OUT (The Winnower is surely a funny card. It's big, it locks a bit the game and gives you the initiative... but I think that in an optimized decklist you just don't need it. It competes for a slot with cards that synergizes better with Mathas, so that's why I would cut it.)
Teferi's Protection IN > Swamp OUT
Terminate is also a powerful card to consider with Mathas, but I can't actually find which card to cut for it. I hope those suggestions will be helpful, let me know how does it evolved and worked out! Have fun brewing, mate. :)