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Creature — Kraken
*Lieutenant — As Long as you control your commander, Stormsurge Kraken gets 2/+2 and has "Whenever Stormsurge Kraken becomes blocked, you may draw two cards."
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Stormsurge Kraken Discussion
1 month ago
DrukenReaps covered the mana issue pretty well. The other suggestion that I'd make for a deck with this high of a CMC is that you probably want more ramp sources or mana rocks. Commander's Sphere and Dimir Signet are both great here. You might also consider replacing Temple of the False God with a basic. You're really color-intensive and don't have a lot of land ramp, so it's at high risk of not actually doing much good in this deck.
To expand a little on narrowing the tribes... I don't think you necessarily have to cut down what tribes are in your deck. However, if you aren't running at least 25 creatures of a tribe, tribal support cards like Crucible of Fire and Door of Destinies are simply bad. You frequently have to take a turn off to play them, so if they're not going to do some reasonable work right away, they're probably worse than a basic land. Kindred Dominance is going to hit so much of your own stuff that you're likely better off playing something like Languish, Crux of Fate or Blasphemous Act instead.
Along those lines, given your high average CMC, loading up on more reasonably-cheap board wipes is probably a good idea. If it's going to take you a while to get going, being able to control the board in the early game is really important. If your opponent has a field full of elves, slamming Butcher of Malakir or Stormsurge Kraken without clearing the board first isn't going to save you.
As for a few cards that you might consider cutting:
- You're really not running enough instants/sorceries to support Mizzix of the Izmagnus in the 99. Mizzix is great, but he really needs a dedicated spellslinger deck to shine. Talrand, Sky Summoner suffers from much the same problem.
- Mindscour Dragon, Vela the Night-Clad and Archetype of Imagination all seem marginal to bad here (with their effects either being redundant or not really big enough for their mana cost). You might consider just slotting some of the decent dragons like Hellkite Charger, Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury, Steel Hellkite, Shivan Dragon or Ryusei, the Falling Star.
- Vapor Snag and Dark Betrayal are both pretty bad in EDH. The former represents major card disadvantage in multiplayer. If you're looking for more bounce effects, you might consider Capsize (although I don't think this is really a Capsize deck). Ratchet Bomb is also a little iffy in a format with such a broad range of CMCs on the table. Unless there are a lot of tokens in your meta, it's probably not worth it.
- Cartouche of Knowledge is probably worse than just Ponder.
- Lord of Shatterskull Pass requires you to pump 16 mana in to it and survive to attack before it does anything, almost certainly not worth it.
- Black Market may end up being pretty good due to Marchesa, or not very good since you have a lot of big creatures. I don't think this is immediately a cut, but keep a close eye on how it performs.
- Torment of Hailfire and Torment of Scarabs are also worth keeping an eye on. I feel like you're probably not going to be producing enough mana for Hailfire to do enough work, and Scarabs is limited by only targeting one opponent. They seem like good options to consider cutting in favor of more land.
1 month ago
I would definitely cut some creatures. Vortex Elemental, Aeon Chronicler, Guardian of Tazeem, and Stormsurge Kraken don't have the synergy or efficiency you will want. Keep efficient token producers and utility creatures or combo pieces.
Kefnet works best when he can come out early and start racking up commander damage. I would put more focus onto the "return a land to your hand" part for added consistency. Walking Atlas and Patron of the Moon are both great cards on their own that can play off Kefnet well.
3 months ago
NV_1980 Thanks so much for the recommendations. Some great options here.
All good calls on the pricier upgrade lists. I'd considered most of them and forgot them in the list of potential higher-budget upgrades. I should fix that, even if I probably won't add most of them to my own list. You're right that Paradox Engine is so strong that it's likely worth it to pick one up (and it would also be great in Kurkesh). Given that I was willing to buy a Contagion Engine, it probably makes sense to grab Paradox too from a cost/power perspective.
Guile and Scourge of Fleets are great options. They seem like solid replacements for Deep-Sea Kraken and one of the sphinxes. I'd considered Shipbreaker Kraken, but 14 mana just seems like too much to invest. Maybe Elder Deep-Fiend fills a similar role at a lower opportunity cost?
I've waffled a bit on adding more tutors to the deck. I usually try to run alternate synergies in place of tutors to prevent decks from getting too linear. Noble Benefactor is a cool card I'd never heard of before. I'll definitely keep that in mind if after more testing I end up needing another tutor.
I also agree that having a little more early game board stall would be good. I actually cut a Fog Bank from the stock list due to how badly it performed in a lot of 1v1 games, but then I remember that we have Atraxa in the group and it suddenly sounds way better again. Aura Thief looks brutal, I'm going to have to make room for that. Jace's Archivist is a good pick too. If the lock is working, opponents should have more cards, and the bounce effects go nicely with wheels (sadly, doesn't work well with Capsize). I'll have to test that. Sphinx of Jwar Isle => Fog Bank and Ulamog's Crusher => Aura Thief seem like the changes there. Not sure what the right cut for Archivist is. Stormsurge Kraken maybe.
3 months ago
A few cards you could consider Ancestral Vision, Wheel of Fate, Breakthrough, Attunement, Visions of Beyond, Magus of the Bazaar, Molten Psyche, Jace, the Mind Sculptor, Consecrated Sphinx, Stormsurge Kraken, Chasm Skulker
3 months ago
Fun deck. I'd give Stormtide Leviathan a look though. Arguably the best cheap blue fatty from the sea. Also if looking to spend a bit more, you could roll the queen of the seas herself in Thassa, God of the Sea. Other notable blue fattys include Breaching Leviathan, Aethersquall Ancient, Deep-Sea Kraken, Stormsurge Kraken, and Serpent of the Endless Sea. I'd give some of these a look if you are looking for a bit more hitting power on the cheap as all of them are less that a dollar bit hit super hard. Stormsurge Kraken in particular is great for it's card draw ability and hexproof.
4 months ago
Yurie sorry it took me so long to reply, had final exams and work. thats a lot of suggestions. Malfegor is definitely on the maybeboard, he seems fucking hilarious. Ogre Battledriver is prob a no go, unearthed creatures already have haste and the 2 extra power doesnt matter much. Waste Not is interesting, id have to test it out, gets the maybeboard. Exhume is probably a no go, because it lets my opponents get something too, but its a super powerful effect so it gets the maybeboard. for Massacre Wurm and Sheoldred, Whispering One, i would love to run them both but im trying to keep this deck under a 150$ budget, so itd be one or the other. Archfiend of Ifnir is a nah, even with all my looting effects i dont feel it does enough on its own unlike the rest of the creatures to warrant a spot. Body Double lets me get any creature out of any gyard, but its very variable on its usefulness, still gets the maybeobard tho. Cunning Lethemancer is a nah, too small to warrant use and the effect is marginal, if i wanted to run an effect like that id run Necrogen Mists. Puppeteer Clique is interesting, and even though i dont get the persist trigger after unearthing it, the etb is ver powerful. Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs has the same problem as teysa envoy of ghosts, where theyre just not gonna attack until they have a way to get rid of him. Lazav, Dimir Mastermind is a nah bc even tho we have a lot of symmetrical draw spells the chances of actually getting something useful is slim. Fated Return is too expensive to be blunt, even though instant speed reanimation is nice id rather use cheaper spells or just unearth something. Magus of the Wheel is a nice semi repeatable draw, so it gets the maybeboard. Corpse Augur is interesting, id have to playtest it first. Feldon of the Third Path is definitely an interesting card in its own right, and has the potential to be amazing, although the same applies for his potential to be underwhelming. Covenant of Minds is a no go bc giving ur opponents choice sucks. Charmbreaker Devils is a no go bc the randomness tied to its effect could screw me over, and most of my instants and sorceries are good enough as one shots, and even then i have Archaeomancer. Avatar of Woe is a nice repeatable destruction engine, but i dont feel that it fits with the deck. Extract from Darkness has the potential to be super powerful even if my opponents dont have anything in their graveyard because i can get somethin from my own. Overseer of the Damned is a no go, it doesnt do anything when unearthed aside from getting me a 2/2 and killing a dude, and i already have shriekmaw. Infernal Offering gives my opponent choice, and could potentially screw me over hard. Stormsurge Kraken is a nice untargetable beater, but once again it doesnt do enough for me. Skeletal Scrying makes me exile my gyard, so its a no go.
4 months ago
Magus of the Wheel Corpse AugurFeldon of the Third Path Covenant of Minds Charmbreaker Devils Avatar of Woe Extract from Darkness Overseer of the Damned Infernal Offering Stormsurge Kraken Skeletal Scrying
5 months ago
How did you feel about this cycle? Would you like to see it again? Perhaps multicolored, Tribal themed, etc?
Personally I really enjoyed the idea, and I was really happy that Kaalia of the Vast could use all three that were in her colors. I would love to see the idea used again. I believe there is a lot of potential in the idea, and I'm slightly surprised that Wizards hasn't yet used it again.