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Grenzo, Havoc Raiser
Legendary Creature — Goblin Rogue
Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, choose one —
• Goad target creature that player controls.
• Exile the top card of that player's library. Until the end of turn, you may cast that card and you may spend mana as though it were many of any color to cast it.
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Grenzo, Havoc Raiser Discussion
3 weeks ago
Maybe you could do an +1/+1 counters version of aristocrats with Undying and cards like Epochrasite ... basically sacrifice them into a powerful engine before the end of everyone's turn.
Mind's Dilation ... yes
Fallen Shinobi ... yes
Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge ... commander?
Mindclaw Shaman ... maybe
Mindleech Mass ... maybe
Wrexial, the Risen Deep ... yes
Extract from Darkness ... reanimator
Sepulchral Primordial ... reanimator
Silent-Blade Oni ... ninjitsu
Grenzo, Havoc Raiser ... goad is amazing
Hostage Taker ... yes
Thief of Sanity ... yes
...as well as any version of the many clones in the game...
1 month ago
Taurean Mauler is another fun "goblin" you could make use of.
Kyren Negotiations will also be good when you have a large number of goblin tokens.
Grenzo, Havoc Raiser could also be fun with a bunch of tokens.
1 month ago
I'm also thinking of running maybe Grenzo, Havoc Raiser . I often have problems keeping the monarch, if I can start to goad their creatures with a 1/1 haste deathtouch creature.... But not so sure how reliant that solution will be :)
1 month ago
Hi Savaaage, Thanks for the comments and questions. I've been wanting to discuss the deck with someone for a while now. I built this back when Grenzo, Havoc Raiser was first spoiled and haven't really looked at other Grenzo builds too heavily. My initial thinking with him was to try to build a deck that capitalized on the Goad mechanic, and I tried to include a bunch of Goad creatures and spells... Unfortunately, It wasn't that great.
I chose to go with Goblins for a couple reasons. Primarily, they are cheap and easy to spam the board with... Which is perfect for a deck that wants to go wide. And going wide IS what I believe to be the correct strategy. I also chose Goblin tribal because I had a Goblin deck already built which I cannibalized to build this (See Goblins... Why do they always come out Goblins?)
In terms of your thoughts and fears, yes, it is easy to get blown out by a well timed boardwipe, so that's where you the player need to determine how many creatures on the board at once are enough. I often find myself holding some back to recover from a wipe.
As far as play strategy, I would say my usual turn is a very short main phase, casting as little as possible or necessary, then swinging wherever I feel I can get through to exile cards, which I will then cast if possible, or just leave in exile. It's very disruptive to your opponents to see their key combo pieces exiled and then used against them.
Concerning how to actually get attackers through, I have packed the deck with cards like Rogue's Passage , Goblin War Drums , Key to the City , Break Through the Line , as well as wonky shenanigans like Raging River and Stand or Fall . Menace is your best friend.
I hope this is helpful, at least to start answering your questions. Please hit me back with more. I love chatting about this deck.
All the best,
3 months ago
Just a suggestion:
I see it in your sideboard, but should definitely be main deck imo because it is able to do more for your deck, and it fits in the theme of targeting with spells.
Just a thought.
3 months ago
I see I am not the only one excited about Feather, and I am glad!
First I want to ask about Sunforger ... I've been debating it because it is more expensive than this deck wants and would just be value and not really a win-con, which is how I like to play my Sunforger. Your thoughts?
I like Braid of Fire and the Altar here... very clever!
Some Cuts: Stone Quarry, Path of Ancestry, Boros Guildgate, Ancient Amphitheater all for basics, Strongarm Monk, Gut Shot, most of the Heroic guys that only get bigger like Akroan Skyguard, better to focus on going wide and protecting your board.
I'd add: Wayfarer's Bauble , Fellwar Stone , Coldsteel Heart , just because you have a low curve doesn't mean you don't want ramp, Goblinslide , Oblation (hit your own token every turn for cards), Impact Resonance , and Grenzo, Havoc Raiser .
Finally, if you'd like to return the upvote and comment, here is my list:
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3 months ago
Have you considered Grenzo, Havoc Raiser ? He's a great way to gain access to even more cards to cast with all that mana.
3 months ago
Doomsday is in, but the Lab Man pile is out.
Ordering a few more foils. Looking to increase the creature presence, and I need to ensure I still have viable DD piles for the Dramatic Scepter win. Fortunately I only need to draw a total of 3 cards, not 6 like with Lab Man.
Thief of Sanity is in. Evasive cheap body, and his ability lets me steal a card from hand and cast it myself. Total Nicol Bolas play. Similarly, I'm getting foils of Stolen Strategy , Etali, Primal Storm , Grenzo, Havoc Raiser , and Fiend of the Shadows . Not everything will likely go in, but they're all pretty on-theme.
Rakka Mar is in for the Bolas flavor text and board presence.
I'd also really like to add Tezzeret, Artifice Master . Makes flying blockers and draws cards, and if he gets his Ultimate it's an immediate Omniscience. No real downside, and he is a slave to Bolas, after all.
I'm running a risk of making the average CMC too high. The early game is rough unless I specifically have good defenses in hand.
More suggestions welcome.
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