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Creature — Snake
Deathtouch (Any amount of damage this deals to a creature is enough to destroy it.)
When Skullwinder enters the battlefield, return target card from your graveyard to your hand, then choose an opponent. That player returns a card from his or her graveyard to his or her hand.
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2 days ago
- Grave Pact
- Hell's Caretaker
- Disciple of Bolas
- Diabolic Tutor
- Uncage the Menagerie
- Oversold Cemetery
- Gonti, Lord of Luxury
- Farhaven Elf
- Deadeye Tracker
- Bane of Progress
- Seasons Past
- Two Forest
- Two Swamp
- Desecrated Tomb
- Open the Graves
- Tainted Strike
- Sylvan Safekeeper
- Turntimber Sower
- Rampaging Baloths
- Ramunap Excavator
- Kodama's Reach
- Havenwood Battleground
- Evolving Wilds
- Terramorphic Expanse
- Titania, Protector of Argoth
- Field of Ruin
- Forge of Heroes
More combo options with Gitrog, to pull off wins with recurring Tainted Strike over and over, making massive amounts of tokens with by recurring World Shaper with either Titania or Turntimber Sower or Rampaging Baloths. I am very tempted to make TGM the Commander, but I lack discard outlets and so Meren remains most value for money as commander currently.
1 month ago
I really appreciate you going over this and bringing your Ghave expertise to the table.
btw, I think Avatar of Growth is the only etb trigger like that, at least that I've seen
I'm definitely hearing you with Mikaeus, the Unhallowed and the ETB/recursion ability. He's a fantastic option for upping the effectiveness of the deck especially considering cmc's and tutors. For example, I could sack Protean Hulk to bring in Ob Nixilis, Unshackled, then after Protean Hulk is brought back, sack him again for Avatar of Growth. Ob Nixilis and Avatar they are both 6cmc, so fit in Protean's limitations! I could do the same with Fierce Empath though he just puts them into my hand. With Mikaeus on the battlefield and Eldritch Evolution or Birthing Pod in place, I could sac either Ob Nixilis or Avatar to bring the other in. Btw...Mikaus with Fertilid and enough mana for activate his search engine trigger? ohhhh man, match made in heaven!
Ultimately, Mikaeus, the Unhallowed becomes another node in the network the gives multiple new routes to the goal - that's what I need in this deck, so thanks for that!
I've seen the Karmic Guide + Reveillark mentioned often and see them ringing alarm bells for people when they are played. Someone's obviously getting up to something at that point! I'm going to play test them, but may keep them on the "maybe" for the sake of trying alternate routes out first. You are so very right though, the recursion package is going to be a big key to this deck hitting a rhythm. I know I'll end up trying them in here, but I'm going to dig for alternatives for now. ... even without those two in here though, Saffi Eriksdotter seems like a great add. I put together a rough version of the deck, set to private, just to play test it. I was missing having early drops that offer value and support to the machine while helping it move forward. Saffri could potentially be one of those.
As for other recursion options: what do you think of Meren of Clan Nel Toth + Skullwinder (who also deters attacks) and/or Eternal Witness? I'm thinking this could be a good alternative for bring back Pir's Whim or another way to get Field of Ruin back. Meren would also get that Avatar of Growth ETB again in a turn - getting up to 6 experience counters with Ghave would be no problem at all.
Also - one that has worked really well in play testing, because of the lands matters aspect, is Emeria Shepherd. She's amazing recursion actually. With all the great land spells I have that can drop larger amounts of land on the battlefield, I can bring in multiple plains at once to return creatures Avatar of Growth, enchantments (Pattern of Rebirth or Wound Reflection), or artifacts Ashnod's Altar back to the battlefield together for a final boom.
Ghave initially made sense with the built in sac engine for Pattern of Rebirth, for fueling fertilid, utilizing the counters Ob Nixilis got, as well as his colours. I also knew that he had such great value engines because the second EDH deck I ever built was Ghave (with many of the combos) and I figured, once it was time to start filling the deck out, I know I have helpful options available. It's started to make more and more sense though as things have progressed.
For example: If I get into the landfall token creation I'm producing good fuel for the sac engines like Ashnod's Altar, food for Skullclamp and triggers for Bloodspore Thrinax or Ivy Lane Denizen type engines and Mentor of the Meek.
Great point on the infinite sacs for infinite flying demon, I didn't even make that obvious connection with Ghave's infinites and his trigger... And let's not forget, he's got trample! So, unless they are blocking with a flying, first strike deathtoucher, that's game for that opponent. I foresee the deck being able to combo off killing all but one opponent in some instances, so having the secondary "death-con" built into the primary is pretty nice.
What I love about going the land-matters route is bringing in Ob Nixilis, the Fallen and taking the "pain" theme further with his landfall trigger. I could bring in mass lands from the big "search engine" ramp, token triggers to fuel ghave/altar/clamp/thrinax/mentor, then deal direct damage and grow a monster (unfortunately non-flying/non-trample). I do see the value in keeping some control in mind as well and am open to ideas for priorities there. Finding the balance will be the journey, for sure.
Thanks so much for taking the time Abzkaban! I'm glad you can appreciate the jankier version of Ghave. He screams for the efficient infinite combos, it's written all over him, and I'll never tire of playing that style of him...
Yet! his abilities and colours are pretty fun enablers and I have a few other ideas for him (though this is the jankiest of them so far). I'm excited to see this keep evolving, and with something that feels so unique in some ways, it's been pretty fun having folks like you step up with new insights that seem to take it to such a greater level. Another example is Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor's idea of Biorhythm... Something I don't think I've seen in a Ghave deck, yet Ghave can use it so well, and it brings everyone within easy reach of a Field of Ruin + Ob Nixilis, Unshackled search to death!
So again, thanks for being part of it :)
1 month ago
This is great! Guilds of Ravnica inspired me to put my gate deck back together! I played the gates deck back when it was standard and I loved it, so I tried to make it Modern but it just didn't perform very well so I took it apart after a while. The printing of Gateway Plaza and Guild Summit made me want to put it back together. Here it is if you're interested.
Creeping Renaissance lets you return all of any card type from your graveyard. In a lands matters deck, this allows you to recover destroyed or milled lands, and also gives you the option of using self mill to return lots of lands to your hand all at once. Life from the Loam helps with this game-plan by both self-milling and returning lands from your graveyard to your hand. Praetor's Counsel is another great card, this one returns your entire graveyard to your hand and gives you no max hand size. Very good in a deck that plays a lot of lands and ramp. Splendid Reclamation returns all lands from your graveyard to the battlefield, which is crazy strong if you've been filling the yard. Crucible of Worlds and Ramunap Excavator let you play lands directly from your graveyard. Skullwinder, Eternal Witness and Greenwarden of Murasa all return any card from your graveyard to your hand as well.
Another huge part of this deck has got to be ramp, more specifically ramp that can get you your guildgates. Playing more than one land in a single turn is one way to go about it. Cards like Skyshroud Ranger, Exploration, Burgeoning, Azusa, Lost but Seeking, and Mina and Denn, Wildborn can all help you drop more lands in a single turn. Pir's Whim, Scapeshift, and Realm Seekers can all search out guildgates, with scapeshift being able to win you the game upon casting often times. Lotus Cobra adds mana of any color to your pool whenever you play a land, helping you fix your colors much easier as well as consistently ramp.
Anyways, good luck with the deck; it looks like a blast!
1 month ago
Some budget cards I would recommend would be Carrion Feeder, Viscera Seer, Eternal Witness (Skullwinder cheaper alternative), Fleshbag Marauder, Merciless Executioner, Wood Elves, Underrealm Lich, Pattern of Rebirth, Grisly Salvage, Animate Dead, Skullclamp, Terastodon, Manglehorn
There are plenty of good cheap cards that Meren can use, lemme know if ya like other advice!
1 month ago
Thank you for this response everyone !
Ouroboros_47 I tried to make a selections of cards that have another purpose than just put things into graveyard. This is the reason why i cut Stitcher's Supplier or Corpse Connoisseur. Delirium Skeins and Zombie Infestation seems good but I don't know if I want to throw a half or a third of my hand to fill up my graveyard. I will consider Smallpox and Darkblast. I think Darkblast can easily fill up the graveyard.
bushido_man96 I like your vision of the deck. If Izoni was Sultai... It would be so powerfull. Anyway... I like the idea of trigger multiple times her ability. Conjurer's Closet seems to be a great addition to the deck. It synergizes with all the ETB ability. Same with Temur Sabertooth(triggers Avenger of Zendikar, Fleshbag Marauder effects, Wood Elves effects). And what do you think about Panharmonicon ? And think Tortured Existence and Phyrexian Reclamation can be better engine recursion than "one shot" recursions like Animate Dead or Eternal Witness. And the deck will be more polyvalent.
So what do you think about this cuts ?
2 months ago
I think I would cut Vindictive Lich, Skullwinder, and The Gitrog Monster along with Ramunap Excavator. I think Gitrog works better in a focused lands-matters deck, and that's not what you're doing here, and I think you've got plenty of good card draw options. A card draw option that fits the theme of your deck you might consider is Krav, the Unredeemed. Vampiric Rites is strong because it comes down earlier than the other card draw options. Fecundity is another strong option. You could consider Yavimaya Elder, too, which I like a bit better than Solemn Simulacrum, which can sac itself. Burnished Hart is decent, too, and sacs itself, as well.
Looking good so far!
2 months ago
Wow, lots of tips Saljen. First of all: Thanks a lot for taking the time to leave some feedback! I think I’ve considered most of your mentions though and ended up not including them due to certain preferences. Lots of cards to respond to, so here goes:
- I used to run Hour of Promise and I like the card. However, I ended up cutting it when other land tutors were printed. I think it was Pir's Whim that has taken its place.
- Constant Mists I also used to run, but I found that I did not run enough cards that synergize with it. I would probably put it back if I ever change the list to be more graveyard-oriented (similar story for Sylvan Safekeeper), or if my meta starts playing more aggro. It is a card I really like though, so I would like to run it again.
- I’m aware of the Abundance Sylvan Library combo, but that situation will occur very rarely (especially as I run no ways to tutor for enchantments). So most of the time Abundance will see play on its own. And as a stand-alone card, I do not think it warrants a spot in the deck. Same story with Prismatic Omen, which only other synergy is it makes Dark Depths and Glacial Chasm tap for mana. These cards are great when they combo, but mediocre when they don’t imo. Gratuitous Violence only works when creatures deal damage, so I don’t see how that helps with valakut…
- Eternal Witness and Skullwinder are indeed great recursion cards! However, I run witness in so many decks already so I wanted to focus on lands in this list for my recursion cards for some variety. I prefer those recursion cards over witness and skullwinder.
- I never really read Realm Seekers well enough it seems :). Will reconsider that card!
- I’ve built this deck to make the lands shine! Magus of the Moon and Blood Moon turn the stars of my deck into mountains… I agree they are great cards for stalling opponents, but it goes against what I want to do with this deck. Also, I tend to steer away from cards that mess with my opponents' lands (already cut Jokulhaups for that reason). That’s also why I’m also not running Vorinclex.
- Yavimaya Hollow is useful, but not necessary in this list I think. I never really considered it for this deck however. So I will do that :)!
- I did not include Realms Uncharted in this list as I’m not focusing on graveyard synergy. But I never considered it in combination with Petrified Field, so maybe that will change things ^.^. However, I do really like the land tutors that are already in the deck.
- Wheel of Fortune is awesome. However, I only have one of them, and I put that one in a Daretti deck, where it is more valuable for the deck strategy. Here I can run other carddraw and not feel bad about it ;). I don’t think it makes a big enough difference here to warrant that price tag.
- T&N I am already considering in this deck, but haven’t decided on it yet :). Insurrection is nice, but does not have any synergy here with the strategy or themes (I do run it in another deck where I think it is more at home).
- I agree Decimate and Gleeful Sabotage are decent removal options, but I prefer the removal pieces I ended up selecting for this list.
- You did see I only run 5 mountains right? I don’t see how Boundless Realms is going to kill all opponents with Valakut unless I have valakut copied a bunch of times and if I have a bunch of other cards in play as well that I don’t run. I actually wrote quite extensively about why I do not run Boundless Realms in my description and I stand by those arguments.
Thanks a lot for dropping by. I will consider realms uncharted, petrified field, yavimaya hollow and realm seekers ;).
2 months ago
Hour of Promise can either grab the full Dark Depths combo, or it can grab Valakut + T-Stage, which gives you a lot of options. It can also pull out any other combination of helpful lands, like Glacial Chasm.
Constant Mists is a way to take advantage of your mass of lands, and can let you stay in the game far longer than you have any right to with this card.
Sylvan Library + Abundance is a pretty sweet little combo that lets you draw 3 cards per turn. Since Abundance "draw" triggers don't actually draw, but rather place the cards in your hand, as long as you trigger Abundance on all three Library triggers, you get to draw 3 cards. Both cards are obviously pretty good on their own too.
Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger is just a stupidly awesome power-house. Not only does he double your mana, but he shuts down your opponents plays for as long as he's in play.
Realm Seekers often comes down with 15+ +1/+1 counters and can single-handedly set up any land combo you want.
Magus of the Moon and Blood Moon are great for stalling out opponents. They have the side effect of turning off Valakut though. I run them in my R/G Borborygmos deck and they pay off more often than they mess you up.
Sylvan Safekeeper can help you keep your permanents safe while throwing lands in the yard for later use.
The main reason to run Boundless Realms is as a win-con once Valakut is in play. It can often give you enough bolts to take out all of your opponents.