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, , Sacrifice Warped Landscape: Search your library for a basic land card and put it onto the battlefield tapped. Then shuffle your library.
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|Commander 2018 (C18)||Common|
|Shadows over Innistrad (SOI)||Common|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Warped Landscape occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.03%
Warped Landscape Discussion
54 minutes ago
I think you should consider replacing your Divination with either Brainstorm or Ponder as the Signature spell. They can all be cast on T1 (just in case you have the need) and can still be cast again for , but you will have seen more cards to choose from by this time this way.
Also, I think you should add Evolving Wilds, Terramorphic Expanse, Prismatic Vista, Warped Landscape etc. for land-fixing and freshening up the top of your deck. Shuffle effects also combo well with Brainstorm because if you don't currently like/need the two cards you put back, you can shuffle them away before your next draw.
1 month ago
I like it! If you're looking for suggestions I would possibly recommend:
Another option if you want recurring landfall would be comboing Ramunap Excavator and any land that requires you to sac the land like Warped Landscape , Myriad Landscape , Evolving Wilds , Terramorphic Expanse , etc.
Bonds of Mortality to bypass indestructible + hexproof.
Rampaging Baloths used in tandem with your ramp to abuse landfall triggers.
Sight of the Scalelords to make your big creatures bigger and scarier.
Multani, Yavimaya's Avatar to make use of all those forests you have lying around.
Prowling Serpopard adds some utility that prevents your creature spells from being countered.
Deck is looking real good though! +1 for Helix Pinnacle, that card looks W I L D.
1 month ago
Tzefick: I read through the original post, but I want to circle back to it later. And you will have to excuse the order in general, I was responding to this across the course of a day.
On artifact removal
There are a few points to unpack here. The first, and most importantly, is that removal is a big part of Magic, the Gathering and honestly, is what makes games (and deckbuilding) interesting. IF MtG was just about amassing board states and then slamming big creatures into other big creatures, the game would be much more boring (not to mention take much longer). But your argument here basically boils down to "artifacts are bad because they die to removal". I get that there are a bunch of good artifact removal cards, but that doesn't mean that we should stop leaning into artifacts because of it.
As for dealing with removal (especially mass removal) - there are still many options that white already has access to which does actually allow them to ramp. Wayfarer's Bauble , Burnished Hart , Solemn Simulacrum , Kor Cartographer , Knight of the White Orchid are all perfectly valid land ramp cards. Sure, the average CMC of these spells is higher than their green counterparts, however green is THE ramp colour, so it would be expecteded that there would be hihger costs/more contitions to be met for other colours to do a similar thing. And that's without even touching on cards like Sword of the Animist or Explorer's Scope which are both equipment and what white excels at.
In addition to this, while not ramping, white already has access to cards like Weathered Wayfarer , Land Tax , and Tithe which allow you to consistently hit your lands. While not as good as outright ramping, if you're hitting your lands each turn, you're genereally not doing too badly. And when combined with other ramp effects, by mid to late game you still end up with as much mana as most players.
Now onto the artifacts. Yes, there are a lot of good artifact removal effects which can slow players down. But I would also point out a few things here too.
Mana dorks are a very common form of ramp in commander. Most green decks will run a bunch of them and there are even strategies (elf ball) which almost solely relies on them. But just as artifacts can be hated on, white has some of THE best creature removal in the game. This includes both single target but also mass removal, which can severely hamper your opponents with regards to ramp. And unlike green (who is the main comparison point here), white doesn't rely on mana dorks, leaving you relatively unaffected from a mana standpoint.
In addition to this, white has a lot of ways of protecting your stuff from being destroyed, whether it's indestructible, hexproof, just an outright Teferi's Protection (which yes you did mention), or more importantly shutting down an opponent's removal source using Torpor Orb effects, of which white has many. Sure, this doesn't stop everything, but it can shut down a lot of (especially green) big bad ones. We are seeing a lot of these printed in new sets, to the point where WotC are really trying to drive home the point that "this is what white does".
Ok, now circling back (And I will do this more than once) and picking up on my previous paragraph. On the topic of land ramp - white is very good at shutting down this. between all of the MLD, Balance type effects and library shutdown effects like Aven Mindcensor , white hating on green's land ramp is to green hating on artifacts (i.e. white's main ramp source). Again I reiterate, this is what white does. It has been made abundantly clear, since we have time and time again seen printing of cards that equalise the board, to take away other players' advantages. So again I push the point that white is capable, however the issue here is that it's not the way you (or some other casule commander players) want it to be. But again, that's not white's shortfall.
On Graveyard Recursion
This topic follows on from the whole artifact removal thing. Yes, white is very strong in graveyard recursion. And just to touch on one of your points, even recently white got a bunch of graveyard recursion via cards like Daring Archaeologist and Restoration Specialist . Not repeatable sure, but still decent. And let's face it, any mono-white commander product is going to see Sun Titan reprinted. But back to the whole recusrion thing in general - while white is good at recursion, it's permanent based, not specifically land based. Yes, this overlaps (especially in the case of Sun Titan ) but here it's just a bit of nice value.
Land recursion is very much a green thing (I'm not even going to list the cards) and that makes sense. But for white, the recursion is generally symmetric if en masse. And again, this makes sense. White is good at wrecking stuff, so it's also good at bringing stuff back. But the point is that just because you wreck stuff and bring it back symmetrically doesn't mean that you can't exile a graveyard or two in the middle. Ok, but what's my concern with what you're recommending (both across the board but let's talk specifics)?
So, fundamentally I have no issues with the release of white cards which can return permanents from the graveyard to the battlefield, and fundamentally I have no issues with pairing these cards with any kind of fetchlands to ramp. As you mentioned, we have the new Sevinne's Reclamation and Brought Back alongside Sun Titan and Profound Journey .
Where I have issue in this case is not with the concept of having a cheaper spell that hits smaller stuff, but in this case your suggestion. Unforntunately, ther is a fine line between being able to be used early game for ramp purposes and just being broken. The card you proposed is similar in effect to Unearth , though it being able to hit any permanent for 2 mana (yes, even CMC 2 or less) is super good. That means that in legacy it can hit cards like Young Pyromancer , Snapcaster Mage (to get other spells even at sorcery, like itself for example), Thalia, Guardian of Thraben , Wasteland , etc. as well as potentially getting another permanent too. It just seems way too powerful. Sure, we could start tweaking the mana costs/effects but I think you would end up with effectively a functional reprint of Sevinne's Reclamation . And look, if that's what you're going for then that's fine. But that's the danger with working under the guise of returning permanents while focusing on lands.
As for the land sepcific recursion effect though, this just seems out of charater (and heavily moving into green's territory). Just because one card was printed, which again did a symmetric effect (almost seems good with Armageddon + Tormod's Crypt ...) does not mean that it's a shoo-in for more cards to be printed like that. Planar Birth was printed inthe same set as Catastrophe and it seems like those cards were designed to play well with each other. As for hitting land drops each turn, I have no issues with this (hell, I even mentioend it before) and to aid in the available "non-good fetch" fetches, you have Terramorphic Expanse , Evolving Wilds , Myriad Landscape , Grasslands , Flood Plain , Bant Panorama , Esper Panorama , Naya Panorama , Warped Landscape , Terminal Moraine and Thawing Glaciers . That's a pretty good collection of budget fetch effects that already exist. And between Scaretiller , Sun Titan , Sevinne's Reclamation and Crucible of Worlds (and in conjuction with other ramp) there are already options there.
Again, I will double down on my argument that if you look, these cards already exist and can be made to work together in a deck. Yes, Crucible of Worlds has ~$25 USD price tag (at the time of writing this) however that is not too exorbitant for a strong EDH card.
On Other Colours
I get that each colour has its strengths and weaknesses and that when you put all of them alongside each other there will always be a worst colour. But I don't think that's a bad thing. White is an incredibly powerful colour outside of commander, and as a second colour, white is still super good. But mono-white has to have a weakness. In this case, it's slow. Buat again, that's done for a reason - because white represents balance. White might be slow, but it will do a really good job of slowing you down with it. And again, I get that ther will be a group of players who don't want to play all of the stax cards for fear of getting other poeple's backs up. But what about the players who don't care about that? you've now just armed a bunch of people with ramp and draw with their existing supply of stax. Think of how much worse that will be.
Now onto red (since you touched on it) - yes, WotC have come up with a nice balance for red's card advantage (in that it matches red's ramp style) - momentary bursts of value. Rituals and exile - you use it or you lose it kind of effects, which makes sense (and which you pointed out). But it's all done within the bounds of the colour pie still. But everything about white screams that it's card advantage is making sure your opponents don't have cards.
While I believe that commander should be avaialble to anyone, there are some cold, hard facts: Some people can spend more than others, and, not everybody within a playgroup has the same budget.
The cards I listed before were budgetless and in most cases, the best of the best. And I understand that only a small portion of commander players actually own said cards. But there are always alternative cards at all budgets, they just may not be as desirable. But that's where my double standard comment came in, which is "if you want to play a colour that doens't have good ramp, but still want the best ramp then either pay the money to buy the good (read "expensive") stuff or deal with the fact that you can't/won't buy it." I don't think that's an unfair statement, and it's a slippery slope once you start pandering to it.
But again, if ther is a budget discrepency within a playgroup then I also don't think that it is WotC's responsiblity to fix it. This is something that the players have to own and is an entire discussion point in an of itself, so I will leave that there. But I think most players would agree with me on this.
On Other Players
Here's where we get to brass tacks (if we haven't already), I wouldn't agree with you on the comment that "a large portion of the commander community" thinks that mono-white needs fixing. Ther eare some poeple, sure. And those people might make a lot of noise about it, but that doesn't mean it's the majority of players. I know that most players who I interact with would agree wiht my viewpoint on it.
And don't get me wrong, I play both casual and competitive lists, I work full time and have funds available to afford nicer cards. A casual list for me sits in the $400-500 range. But before you discount my opinion becasue fo that, hear me out. I have looked at many, many, many lists on tapped out, ranging from <$100 to >$5000 and have learnt a lot over the years. Typically the things I notice is that the kinds of poeple who complain about a lack of XYZ have also employed a lot of bad deck-building practices (no, I'm not implying this on your lists). Really heavy mana curves, little ramp to begin with, high CMC ramp, lack of focused win conditions, all that good stuff. And I'm not saying that the decks are completely unplayable, but a lot of them are really clunky and slow. And I won't begrudge people for building those decks. But if your average CMC is 4.5 and then you're complaining that your deck is slow, that's becasue of the card choices you made. However bad deckbuilding is not WotC's fault.
So compared to those poeple, I will be a bit arrogant and say I undstand balance better than them, yes. But, and more importantly, so does WotC - because they seem to be printing more stax cards for white as sets come out, but not more ramp and card advantage which would fix the non-problem.
3 months ago
Terramorphic and Evolving are great.
I'd also consider the three green Panoramas (Jund, Naya, and Bant) and Warped Landscape . I think they're great here 'cause if you don't need the fetch, they don't slow you down a turn (i.e., they come in untaped and tap for mana), and you can save the fetch-ability on them until you have the spare mana for it or need that extra landfetch trigger.
If you can get one of those and a Scaretiller online, you're guaranteed two landfall triggers every turn before your land-for-turn from hand. I run the Fetch-land + Scaretiller package in Syr Carah (mostly just for deck-thinning), and it's actually really incredible.
Explorer's Scope can ramp early on a wood elves, and beef up the big boss late on the Woodcrasher. I like it 'cause it's repeatable.
5 months ago
There are a lot of cool 'lands matter' cards out there. A lot of the manlands are pretty cheap because there are better options, but work well in a casual Sylvan Advocate Sylvan Awakening list. If you want to lean into land sacrifice, red/green does have cool cards like Devastating Summons Edge of Autumn and the classic Wildfire lists. Warped Landscape is interesting in land reanimation lists as a consistant land engine, but is far from perfect.
Personally, I'd look at focussing on a single strategy and going all-in on it- aiming to play as many lands as possible, or animate lots of lands, or destroy all the lands, or replay a lot of Ghost Quarter or Field of Ruin . I hope you have fun brewing something up.
7 months ago
CREATURES - I've already told you this, but due to the nature of your deck and simply due to the sheer amount of elves at your disposal, I'd suggest ~35 creatures to put in your deck, although there are more good elves out there that aren't currently in your deck (such as Skyshroud Poacher ), a non-elf creature that has great synergy in your deck is Protean Hulk .
Wild Pair , this card is GREAT in a tribal deck, nonetheless a mono-green Elf deck. As once this card is on the battlefield anytime you cast an elf you'll search your deck for another and put it directly on the battlefield; this works for all your elves except for the following four elves Druid of the Cowl , Sylvan Advocate , Talara's Battalion , Steel Leaf Champion ).
An alternative to Wild Pair, or another great enchantment to have, is Hibernation's End as it does what Wild Pair does but better as it guarantees a creature on your field every turn that it's on the field.
Possible cards to get rid of:
Warped Landscape , Evolving Wilds , and Terramorphic Expanse these cards are, despite their commander staple nature, entirely unnecessary as you're mono-green and every land you have minus one is a forest. Ideally, in my opinion, you want 33 lands in your deck.
Presence of Gond , as it's only creatures one elf, and your better off attacking with the tapped elf (or tapping one of your mana dorks for mana) due to your commander
Desert Twister , this spell is too high of a cost for it's simple removal, and while mono-green doesn't have much creature removal, creature removal in green is your own creatures.
Prism Ring , this artifact is also necessary as it more so helps early game and while it works well in tandem with your commander, in an average game it'll gain you 10-15 life on your own. And while it's a nice artifact, and a cheap one at that, it doesn't progress you towards any sort of tactic or strategy towards winning.
Tutors: What you really need are ways to speed up your deck and get out specific cards that you need/want. You already have Primal Command which is great, but you specifically need ways to get any of your artifacts out as all of them are great and help you get going to smash faces in. As such, some ways to tutor are:
Inventors' Fair , this is a land, that I think you should swap with Temple of the False God , as you already have so much mana and mana dorks that an extra 2 colorless isn't that much of a loss in comparison to a have to tutor for Bow of Nylea , Rhonas's Monument , or Door of Destinies .
8 months ago
Living Death is a classic gravepower card that can help you win the game in one or two turns. It fits in pretty well with what you're doing already.
Grim Discovery is similar to Aid the Fallen, and can help keeping up with the early and midgame curve. Hermit Druid also helps keep your hand stocked with land early game, and lets you throw a bunch of creatures/other cards into your grave.
Covenant of Minds is great draw power in a deck like this, and can be used politically as well. Foster can not only help your creatures replace themselves, it can throw some more cards into your graveyard on the way.
Genesis Wave is a fun way to throw a bunch of permanents on the board for free, and everything else into the graveyard. The nice thing is the effect isn't compulsory, so you can choose to throw a particular creature into the grave if you want.
Try Phyrexian Delver , too. It's a great two-for-one because the creature it brings back hits the battlefield immediately.
8 months ago
Cards that have been replaced - Fungal Sprouting for Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip; Heartstone for Thelon of Havenwood ; Sporesower Thallid for Retreat to Kazandu ; Thallid Shell-Dweller for Hardened Scales ; Caustic Caterpillar for Nissa, Voice of Zendikar ; Nullmage Shepherd for Palace Siege , Thallid for Beastmaster Ascension ; Fecundity for FinD; Thallid Germinator for Rampaging Baloths ; Savage Thallid for Hydra Broodmaster ; Warped Landscape for
card suggest: Bloodchief Ascension