Orzhov Advokist

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Format Legality
Tiny Leaders Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Vintage Legal
Leviathan Legal
Legacy Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Commander Anthology Vol. II (CM2) Uncommon
Commander 2016 (C16) Uncommon

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Orzhov Advokist

Creature — Human Advisor

At the beginning of your upkeep, each player may put two +1/+1 counters on a creature he or she controls. If a player does, creatures that player controls can't attack your or a planeswalker you control until your next turn.

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Orzhov Advokist Discussion

precociousapprentice on Marchesa, Political Queen of Pillows

2 weeks ago

Sorry MegaMatt13, my comments about Erebos, God of the Dead combined comments on my deck with comments on yours. I meant that I am considering adding it into mine. The addition of denying opponents life gain is not lost on me. There is a Karlov deck in my meta that is super strong. Only Solemnity stands between me and a blowout in most games.

To chime in about Orzhov Advokist, I do now run Solemnity. It won't find a way into the deck unless I move away from Solemnity and the other cards that support it. Right now, Solemnity is a total beast. Counter hate is amazing in EDH, and if there was another copy of Solemnity, I would consider adding it. Even when I want people's decks to work for them, there are too many counter engines that will run away with the game if not dealt with. It has become a common tutor target in my deck.

MegaMatt13 on Marchesa, Political Queen of Pillows

2 weeks ago

precociousapprentice, thanks for taking the time to respond. I agree with you about Erebos. He's been in the deck for a while and performs very well. Shutting off opponents' lifegain is actually quite valuable too. It prevents opponents from "getting out of range" of being killed in the later game. I think I'm going to keep Twilight Prophet for now. She is performing decently and having a flier with reasonably high toughness can be valuable in the deck too.

I haven't cut Curse of Opulence yet...it's just on my list of potential cuts. I agree with your reasoning behind it. I'm just wondering if there may be another option that fulfills that function better. I put Rite of the Raging Storm back in a couple updates ago and it fulfills that role beautifully, giving each opponent a beater that can be used to attack anyone EXCEPT me. I'm thinking of giving Orzhov Advokist another chance in this role. Again it allows opponents to attack anyone except me and gives them a buff to do so. I think my main concern with Curse of Opulence it that it forces me to pick one opponent to put the target on...my hands are on the bloody weapon. Rite of the Raging Storm and Orzhov Advokist provide a general incentive without forcing me to choose who opponents should target.

Any further thoughts on this?

Grimnack on (: I WUV AWW OF YEW! :) [now with ZERO win cons!]

4 weeks ago

Only suggestion I can make depending on if you're up for updates are Orzhov Advokist or Teferi's Protection for self isolation - especially Teferi's if they're wiping your enchantments.

Torekai92 on True Pillowfort

4 weeks ago

I see Propaganda as your featured card but not in the list itself. Not sure if you meant to add it or not.

Here are some more pillow forty cards that I know of: Windborn Muse, Orzhov Advokist, Norn's Annex, Baird, Steward of Argive, and of course Ghostly Prison.

Torekai92 on Bairds' Mighty Army

1 month ago

If you like pillow forty options Orzhov Advokist, Windborn Muse, and Norn's Annex all work well in addition to Ghostly Prison. Heliod, God of the Sun and Avacyn, Angel of Hope aren't exactly soldiers, but they bring a lot of utility to white.

Looks like a fun deck, happy brewing!

precociousapprentice on Queen Marchesa: Politics, Aikido, and Control

2 months ago

Wow, I've apparently been slacking. Busy week.

Hexekk, Harsh Justice was in the very first draft of the deck. It was pretty good for a mid-game multi-creature attack. The problem I found was that it didn't prevent the damage, and it only outperformed Eye for an Eye if more than one creature attacked, and was useless against non-creature damage. I replaced it with Eye for an Eye, and then eventually took that out, too. It is a good card for sure, and can occasionally surprise someone for a win. Well worth considering for people trying vary things up with Aikido decks, and actually a pretty good mono-White Aikido card.

Bloodytrailz, I like your thought process. For finisher, I like Exsanguinate. It can just end a game. Acidic Soil is also a super solid card. I currently run it over Exsanguinate. I also have been thinking about Orzhov Advokist. It is a dangerous card to run, but it has a very interesting effect on the game. People are often happy to get a long term pump to their creature for redirecting an attack away from you. This also creates somewhat of an arms race amongst your opponents, as no one wants to be hit with a rapidly growing creature without defending themselves. Before you know it, your opponents are duking it out with ever growing creatures, leaving you to watch them beat each other. This is exactly the kind of situation that benefits an Aikido general. I also ran the Vow cycle early in the evolution of the deck. The problem was that just because they could't attack me doesn't mean that they can't block me. I found them to be a little problematic, and I think Orzhov Advokist is likely exactly the same.

Coward_Token, I think that Thief of Blood is to Solemnity for counters as Bojuka Bog is to Rest in Peace for graveyard hate, with the addition of having a game ending body, and having a much higher CMC, but basically doing nothing against Infect. I feel like the continuous effect is a much better option.

bradtheimpaler13, it was a custom alter that I commissioned by Sandreline Mousse. She is my favorite altered art artists. I plan to get my ABUR duals altered by her as well.

Nothing new to report for changes or considerations. I have't really dug through the Dominaria stuff, but haven't seen much of value for Queen Marchesa, and I haven't played much, and the last few games I have played were Archenemy: Bolas. That is a pretty fun diversion from EDH.

Bloodytrailz on Queen Marchesa: Politics, Aikido, and Control

2 months ago

Hey Precocious,

Been fine tuning my Queen Marchesa, Politics & Pillow Forts list recently, really having a hard time nailing the final 3-5 or so cards. I'd love to get your opinion on a couple things / tunings. For knowledge sake, some cards won't work as well in my meta but i'll explain as such in the individual card discussions.

I recently moved into adding some more defense/draw with solitary confinement and necropotence. As far as I'm concerned my 5 most "removable" cards right now are Rakdos Charm, Mortify, Return to Dust, Orzhov Advokist and Underworld Connections. Although the 2 tutors aren't necessarily "the good ones" I'm not gonna be able to spring 30-40$ per single card at this time so i'm sticking with my high mana cost, low monetary cost tutors for now.

Rakdos Charm - One of our players just starting playing boros soldiers, but for the most part, decks tend to be "go tall" over go wide strategies. Only 1 player uses any kind of graveyard recursion (Dragon player with Outpost Siege and a couple other minor recursions, maybe 3-4 cards out of 99 total). So, the most common case is that this is a 2 mana destroy an artifact. Sometimes might be able to make use of damage mode for 5-10 damage on someone with a damage doubler out. Fringe cases where this might just be a huge bomb of damage to opponenets.

Return to Dust - Really i just had this for enchantments. Hammer of nazahn exists in my meta as well, but I feel like with anguished unmaking, (maybe mortify?), utter end, wear/tear i might be covered? 4 mana, destroy 2 scary enchant/artifacts kinda goes against the gameplan of "let them fight" but I gotta protect myself from things like Dragon Tempest

Mortify - big creatures exist in plenty and there's a good number of enchantments i'd love to not see in play if I needed to make them disappear for my own safety's sake.

Orzhov advokist - I love love LOVE this card, but I accept it's not necessarily amazing. It's like a political handshake of "i'll help you if you don't attack me next turn" by force (even if it leaves play, the condition still applies for the rest of the turn). It buffs creatures up around the board, keeps me "safe" (it either lets me know I won't be attacked or if they don't take the counters, it lets me know that something is up, advanced warning system sort of) and the buffed up creatures make for better aikido targets, splashing back even more damage than they would have without the counters :) Just seems like it touches every aspect of the deck in some way.

Underworld connections - it exists as a draw engine, but it's the weakest one in the list for sure (can't compare with necropotence, erebos, phyrexian arena, land tax etc) ... considered swapping this to immortal sun as i don't have any PW's... but this is also not a creature heavy deck, double the mana cost and there are some but not many PW's in my meta. (On average, maybe 1 per deck). Any other card draw engines that might be more effective in it's place?

A couple things I'm wondering about...

I currently have no damage based bomb finisher, I removed Price of Progress from the list because realistically in any given game, I will have the most or 2nd most non basic lands. (I play 16 basic, 1 other player plays 15 as a 5 color deck most others are 25+ basic). My table plays pretty low budget, 100-200$ so a lot of decks are dual colored or extremely basic land heavy. I'm currently considering Exsanguinate and Acidic soil as damage based finishers (outside the aikido package of course) to go alongside Insurrection... but I don't know what to drop for it or if i should drop anything for it. I have mastermind's acquisition which could pull one from outside the game if need be.

Should I try and slot in phyrexian unlife + solemnity for additional defensive layering? Solemnity will find some uses in my meta, but not that many. There's not a ton of counters going around.. there's the cheap Vivid lands, some minor counter stuff in the dragon's deck, and the recently made soldier deck uses Cathars' Crusade and Assemble the Legion. Individually these cards will not shine, but they still count as enchantments for Sphere of Safety and they still kinda do something at least... but then there's the obvious synergies. (Already playing Delaying Shield regardless of this pairs inclusion or not)

I've looked a lot at Vow of Lightning Vow of Malice Vow of Duty with some amount of admiration for fulfilling the deck goals of "make enemies kill enemies better while staying safe myself". However I'm not sure I want enchantments that get wiped out via enemy board clears. (And in the case of vow of lightning and duty, make enemy creatures better at blocking my advances)

Also open to any other suggestions not made here as well. Thanks for your time and considerations as always!

May the queen reign for eternity!

The_Mike on PillowChesa

3 months ago

Cards I would recommend adding if you want to support your pillowfort theme.

  • Koskun Falls Does exactly what you want to do with not exactly a back breaking downside.

  • Delaying Shield Nobody can take away your monarch token and lets you mitigate damage. (Also handy for negating massive fireballs for a turn.)

  • Smoke Can be good against green rampers and go-wide strategies. Also will make people to think twice before running over your Marchesa with quantity since they'll be open for a longer time and have much more difficulty to come get the monarch token next time.

  • Tainted AEther Keeps the creatures low, keeps the threats low, keeps everyone wanting to kill you high. Great way to lock boardstate in your favour after a boardwipe.

  • Marchesa's Decree and Hissing Miasma You want to nibble your opponents as much as you can while making them hesitate harming you if you plan to win while pillowforting. This does both and so either deters would-be attackers or makes finishing the game with Debt to the Deathless or the like easier.

  • Aurification It's good. Doesn't spare you from lethal but at least saves you from random chunks of damage.

  • Windborn Muse Redundancy, another Ghostly Prison

  • Gideon's Intervention and [Nevermore] Naming opposing commanders is just so backbreaking against some decks and buys you a lot time (and a lot hate from the player). Other than that you can name common threats to your board like Cyclonic Rift and Merciless Eviction. Another card with similar effect on board is Prison Term, which lets you to put opposition into sort of a Nevermore state as they hit the field.

  • Island Sanctuary Basically a budget friendly mash-up of Moat and Solitary Confinement

  • Vow Cycle of Vow of Duty, Vow of Lightning, Vow of Malice Works double duty. Why bother removing opposing creatures if you make them work for you and even be happy about it? Deals with offensive threats while nibbling opposing life totals. Orzhov Advokist also could work the same way in practice, but is less reliable though stronger when it works.

  • Soul Snare "If you attack me, I will kill your creature" is not an empty threat anymore, also counts towards your enchantment mass making cards like --Sphere of Safety and Open the Vaults more valuable. If this doesn't make big threats look at another direction then nothing will.

Well then. Since the commander herself fixes your needs of juice, the next question is: what do you stall for? (Was that a Hamilton reference?) After the long and satisfying grind of EDH, you want to finally claim the prize and call it a game. There's a few ways to go about it, but I'd recommend picking at least 6 - 10 cards which enables you to win the game when played right. In addition to what you have now I'd recommend one or two more.

  • X Equals Win the Game: In addition to Debt to the Deathless, other good X spells to add would be Exsanguinate or Torment of Hailfire, of which the latter is usually better but the first always consistent.

  • Not this turn, but maybe the next: Felidar Sovereign should net you a win when opposing resources to stop you are running thin. Or at least burn a removal spell.

More mass removal. They can't hit you if they have no creatures, and you really don't care about your own all too much. Two more of any "destroy all creatures" spells would work wonders.

As you are running on a budget here, we can't afford expensive allstars that win games basically no matter what deck you are playing. THUS we have to compensate by making our deck consistent, efficient and precise in what it does - in it's theme (Pillows, taxes and enchantments) - so the cards have more power than the total of their sum. Cards I'd cut:

  • Ancient Craving Good if we need explosiveness... which we don't. In EDH value this is basically 4 mana 3 life draw 1.

  • Read the Bones Draw 2 isn't anything to write home about in EDH either, basically draw 2/3th of a card for 3 mana. Marchesa nets you the cards over time, and you aren't in any rush.

  • Starfield of Nyx Would be good if you could protect your enchantments from the "creature" status as they get easier to spot and wipe remove. The recursion is amazing, but it wont matter when everything bows up, along with the starfield.

  • Price of Knowledge It's strong if it gets to hit the field, but not strong enough to compensate for the cost. It doesn't help us in 2 of the 3 themes of the deck but on the contrary draws hate with slow pay-off.

  • Bloodgift Demon Rather than having multiple ways to draw 1, focusing on pillowforting and keeping the monarch token to yourself would add consistency. A body is nice, but also a liability and lack of synergy with the rest of the deck.

  • Kambal, Consul of Allocation It's good at what it does, but we do not necessarily want to do that. It always universaly and equally hates on everyone, drawing hate towards you when our idea is to keep us away from the harm. Draining is nice, as long as it doesn't also drain our goals.

  • Sidisi, Undead Vizier Again, really good at what it does, but we need more space for cards that we need to do exactly what we want to do.

  • Void Winnower Strong, but really expensive for non-ramp deck and draws hate to us. Not the strong we must have.

  • Elixir of Immortality When a deck functions as planned and has multiple ways to win even if some get discarded to graveyard, you should be able to win before decking out.

  • Skullclamp Strong... but not the strong we must have.

  • Staff of Nin We have our economy covered as long as we are able to sustain monarchy.

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