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Disdainful Stroke Discussion
1 day ago
agreed BBD does specifically call out eldrazi as a predator...however; i think we can all agree that hinging all of our opinions off a single event is a little rash.
if Abrupt Decay /any form of removal/interaction not having the corresponding charge counters doesn't explain dealing with/playing around Chalice of the Void then i guess i just cant go any further with that...let alone delve into how with Ceremonious Rejection / Disdainful Stroke or Alpine Moon / Blood Moon / Damping Sphere or Infernal Reckoning or Ensnaring Bridge would combat an eldrazi deck.
1 day ago
"if it looks like a duck... quacks like a duck...".... no Chalice of the Void is certainly not a permission spell that goes on the stack; but i think its obvious that its role in anyones deck is similar to Blood Moon in the sense that they are Restricting and denying resources and actions of the opponent... people who run Chalice/Moon build their decks around them....and in time the meta adapts to this.
when it comes to actual tournament results...i dont think one event is enough to be conclusive...so all anyone can do is theory craft. This is where i was going with "Aggro beats Control, Control beats Combo, Combo beats Aggro" fundamentals as well as making a case for new cards thats have been printed since Eye of Ugin with Ceremonious Rejection / Disdainful Stroke .... Alpine Moon ... Damping Sphere Infernal Reckoning and more....
with these things in mind i dont think decks are going to have to go "All-in" to beat eldrazi" anymore then just being aware it exists on the competitive scene like anything else.... Miricles placed 2nd in the actual tournement/event in a field of eldrazi...
Eye of Ugin is powerful but there are several accessible answers to it in the same way.....take jund for example....hand disruption with Thoughtseize ...easy enough to throw in Alpine Moon and Abrupt Decay / Assassin's Trophy .....there is just so much removal...like a lot of removal... to be able Fulminator Mage /Fulminate a land, Bloodbraid Elf /Cascade into Kolaghan's Command /K-Command, get Fulminator back.... im just not convinced that eldrazi cant be dealt with.
as far as the mulligan scenario is concerned... Serum Powder exists...but nobody is always gonna have there best cards every game...thats why its a game.
1 week ago
A couple of ideas for you, hopefully nothing too major!
First off, I want to address the SB choices. You are in Esper colors, which is full of plenty of extra options to keep the deck flexible. Right now, you seem very focused on creatures, which is fine, but I feel that makes the deck far too narrow... here's a few options:
Smothering Tithe --> This one is eh... but it might help in the control matches.
Depose / Deploy --> I have been EXTREMELY impressed by this card in playtesting so far, but this one is also somewhat opinionated.
Warrant / Warden --> See above.
Unbreakable Formation --> BONKERS
Ethereal Absolution --> I play tokens... be prepared...
Settle the Wreckage --> Lopsided board wipe, kinda. Can be useful if your meta is full or aggro.
Your deck seems to be focused on early disruption and overall being annoying. You have a lot of interaction, so here's a few ideas for the main:
Hero of Precinct One --> Only if you add in a few more multi-colored spells, but I love this card.
Kitesail Freebooter --> I know it is in your sideboard, but since the rest of the deck is so disruptive it may be worth a thought.
Basilica Bell-Haunt --> What's mono-red anyway...
Seraph of the Scales --> Significantly more expensive, but, she good. at least, so I've heard.
Several of the cards can be shifted around, for example Kitesail Freebooter can probably just replace Ministrant of Obligation in the main, even if for only 2 or 3 copies. I think any of the split cards I put for the sideboard could go in the main as well, Plaguecrafter can shift to the SB (meta dependent). I also feel that Chemister's Insight doesn't have a home in this list, since you want to out-value and disrupt rather than win through card advantage in a design like this.
Have you thought about adding in a planeswalker anywhere? Both new walkers I feel a soft spot for in my heart, I even added Baby Dovin to my tokens list, (which is now bant) and I just have a soft spot for new Kaya as well.
These are all just opinions, but if you have any questions about my suggestions or want some help let me know!
2 weeks ago
hkhssweiss, about 4 of 5. Our meta is currently pretty fast-paced because of random dorks going infinite with dmg or mana. It's not only cyclonic rifts, but most of the time it's non-creatures - since my creatures can handle other creatures (other than eldrazi, but I haven't seen them being actually cast even once, most of the time they are cheated). So Negate and Disdainful Stroke are amazing here.
3 weeks ago
Thanks lords2001! On your points.. 1. I have Contempt in the deck, but was in a rush when I was making it, thus I forgot some cards. Thanks for pointing out the mishap! 2. Nightveil Predator is an ok card, but I opted for Chromium, the Mutable for maximum value. Even though the hexproof condition is conditional, it still holds a greater value. 3. The reason for no Disdainful Stroke is that I have both Unmoored Ego , Duress , and Negate Post-Board, but I would consider it! What do you suggest taking out for it?
3 weeks ago
I think you have made a pretty nice deck. Couple of suggestions.
1) Vraska's contempt is almost always better than Settle the Score . It is an instant, hits plainswalkers, gains life. I understand the combo with your plainswalkers, but you need something that can affect the boardstate.
2) If you dont want to do the above, move some counters in so you have some control?
3) Think about something like Nightveil Predator in the sideboard for the simple reason that it comes with hexproof, and can trade with any other creature.
4) Disdainful Stroke is pretty amazing for sideboard tech too in this era of R/U drakes, green stompy goodness etc.
3 weeks ago
Hey, I'm glad to see that you're updating and refining your list based on everyone's advice! I think this is looking very good now, though I still have some additional thoughts.
First, I'd definitely look at cutting Sram's Expertise . The card seems too slow for what you get, even if it lets you potentially cast something for free from your hand. It can get Negate d, Spell Queller ed, or Disdainful Stroke d which hurts a lot when you just tapped out to cast it. Of course, I should tell you to take this with a grain of salt, since I prefer playing at instant speed, but I'd consider looking at Secure the Wastes , which can be cast whenever you need it and at instant speed.
The other major issue I'm seeing is your sideboard. You'll have quite a few matchups, and it looks like you're only bringing tech against a few of them (artifact strategies and GY strategies. What's your plan for dealing with Tron? Ghost Quarter might be worth considering if it won't hurt your mana base too much. How about Abzan/Jund midrange? Those decks will strip your hand and push fast damage, and even though it favors you to be able to trade in your creatures, they might have ways to eliminate chump blockers and start beating you down. Fatal Push is definitely something to consider since you're in Black.
Finally, the last concern is also my greatest. How do you deal with Rest in Peace ? This is pretty common sideboard tech for White decks, and it completely shuts your strategy down. I actually don't see any way that you can win through Rest in Peace or its equally unpleasant friend Leyline of the Void . Not major issues, but definitely something to think about! Good luck as you continue tinkering with this!
1 month ago
GingerLivsMatter I've already got Reclamation Sage to deatroy enchantments, with the upside of also hitting artifacts and leaving a body. And I have negate to deal with control. It generally hits more things than Disdainful Stroke so I'm running it over the stroke.
Disdainful Stroke occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0,13%
All decks: 0,01%
U/B/R (Grixis): 0,01%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0,04%
W/U (Azorius): 0,08%
G/U (Simic): 0,09%
U/R (Izzet): 0,07%