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Zealous Persecution Discussion
1 day ago
So in modern there are two approaches to creature decks. There is the very linear, "I have one goal, and that is to kill you," plan. This can be seen in decks like dredge, 8-wack, hollow one, and zoo. The other approach is the disruptive approach, where each of the creatures in the deck serves a purpose to stop the opponent from doing stuff. Good examples of this are: humans, spirits, and hate bears. This deck, being black and white, has access to many of those disruptive cards. Stuff like Thoughtseize and Path to Exile and Fatal Push. So I would recommend you play to the strengths of the colors. Pick the best, most synergistic, 13 vampires or so... then make the rest of your cards interaction. I don't know your budget but here are some more suggestions: Collective Brutality, Zealous Persecution, and Inquisition of Kozilek
3 days ago
You're very heavy on the 4-drop slot. I would recommend cutting the Approach of the Second Sun, since you should be trying to win by bringing your opponent's life to zero. Anointed Procession is cool, and can be powerful, but it relies on you following it up with other cards. THough pricey, this should be History of Benalia as this card does not depend on being followed up by another card and produces more Knights on its own.
You should be running 4 of the Dauntless Bodyguards in the maindeck, they should not be in the sideboard. You're going to be wanting to swarm the enemy in a flood of chivalry as fast as possible, and a few amazing 1 drops can help you out that way. Accorder Paladin, Knight of Glory, and Sigiled Paladin are all great 2 drop knights that help you out in attacking strong and early. Knight of the White Orchid can act as ramp, but is also a decent beater.
Mirran Crusader is extremely powerful and you should definitely be running 4 of this one.
Vona, Butcher of Magan is really cool and can give you an answer to nearly anything, and she helps pay for herself with that lifelink.
You'll also want to use some of black's card draw capabilities, since card advantage is definitely white's biggest weakness. Don't be afraid to spend a little bit of life to draw some cards with Dark Bargain, Read the Bones, Night's Whisper, Sign in Blood, or Damnable Pact just to name a few.
For your sideboard, cards like Duress are very important if you're running black, I would recommend running 3-4 of these in your sideboard, since you have no other hand disruption. Celestial Purge is pretty popular, as is Timely Reinforcements. Vraska's Contempt and Anguished Unmaking can help you deal with opposing planeswalkers, and Unmaking hits any troublesome non-land, Rest in Peace, Stony Silence, and Zealous Persecution are very strong sideboard options as well.
Let me know if this was helpful or would like to know some of the reasoning's behind the suggestions!
2 weeks ago
Hey Openfire, thanks for the feedback. That's a good point, and I do think Final Fortune, Pull from Tomorrow, and Braingeyser could be cut for Ponder, Preordain, and Brainstorm. On the other hand, Silence and Zealous Persecution are decent interaction slots. Silence is , and it forces your opponents to counter it. It also does wonders with Isochron Scepter against a deck like Yidris Melt Banana, Selvala Brostorm, or even Thrasios/Tymna Doomtide a lot of the time. Zealous Persecution is to kill all the good mana dorks in the format, except Selvala. This slows down a lot of decks in the format, as mana dorks are pretty dominant in cEDH. Rebuild and rocks are something I'm not entirely sure about; there are some cute interactions with the rocks (Helm of Awakening, Paradoxical Outcome, Dramatic Reversal), but they don't do much aside from that. I think I'll cut 4 of them for now. Thanks!
2 weeks ago
This deck looks pretty good, but it has a lot of chaff and slow cards/ niche ones I don't think are playable. Specifically I think Final Fortune, Pull from Tomorrow, Silence, Zealous Persecution, Rebuild, several talismans or signets (13 two mana rocks is excessive), and Braingeyser are all too slow or have better other options. If you're having consistency issues it's almost definitely because you have no cantrips or selection (other than Git Probe). Ponder, Preordain, and Brainstorm are all great options. I play a comparable theme whiteless Yidris deck
1 month ago
Zealous Persecution printing from EO2 (Explorers of Ixalan) missing. https://img.scryfall.com/cards/large/en/e02/41.jpg?1524753837
1 month ago
Last night I was involved in two multiplayer games of magic against the same two guys. The first game player A; with his version of Temur Energy sits down to an aggressive start with an intended combo-y finish. The second, player B, a mish-mash blue/black aetherborn/servo tokens energy deck. I’m playing an Emeria Angel + Knight of the Reliquary deck that uses Zealous Persecution as my main difference maker, and lots of 1/1 tokens (on a side note; great place for the new Serra Angel generator, Lingering Angels? Raise the Angels? Wut?)
So that game goes fairly smoothly, B runs short on mana and only draws his fourth when I’ve got 10 birds and two angels. Player A has a fair army, but isn’t keeping up with the landfall shenanigans and I eventually draw into Vault of the Archangel and put the game out of reach of their fair, recently standard but very casual decks. I concede my deck was much stronger than theirs, but they left that game not feeling too bad and somewhat impressed with the synergy (ie; drop a land, make a bird, Mentor of the Meek trigger, draw a card, gain a life off Suture Priest.)
Now comes the second game. A little background first;
I joined this group roughly a year ago. At the time their existing group was evolving. The core of the group is made up of a bunch of guys late thirties - early forties who have either come back to the game or are new to it. Player A is a returning player. When I came to town, their were three guys exiting moving south to “try to go pro,” younger guys, early twenties-ish. Im told later that Player A was so excited and that he was boasting about how he was going to be the best player in the group now...So I show up to the first day I’m invited and it’s an Ixalan draft. It goes ok in a large group and I finish top 4 with a hodgepodge of creature types. Notably player A finished ahead of me. So at the end of the night one of the guys that’s going to be leaving and I start up a conversation about some deck types we’re interested in based on the new cards, and card names start to fly. You know the conversations, where any uninitiated onlooker goes “wtf are these guys talking about?!?” Anyway, Player A gets a bit concerned he may not be the guy to beat moving forward.
Fast forward to game two; I sit down with deck-large;the-mad-king-of-tristram (which I acknowledge might be a bit anti-social for the environment, but it’s my favourite deck and I’ve only played it twice, maybe three times, in the last year including last night.) A is playing the pre-con cats basically right out of the box into sleeves, and B is playing a tweaked Edgar Markov (but not so tweaked as to be any more threatening than it is out of the box.) They’re probably a bit outmatched here. The first few turns nothing happens of relevance, since I kept a hand with no rocks just an Ancient Tomb. Turn three I play Font of Mythos planning to curve into Archfiend of Ifnir on turn four. So A plays Qasali Pridemage and lets everybody draw the two extra cards until his next turn comes around, in which he doesn’t swing with his cat but he does sacrifice it to blow up the Font so B and I don’t get the two cards. Well, after that the Archfiend does a fairly reasonable job suppressing the board state and the two non-blue decks don’t find anything to kill it or Nekusar until eventually I Lim-Dul's Vault for Megrim, kill his Leonin Relic-Warder that had stolen my Memory Jar and crack it. A dies and B is left with three life, he Merciless Evictions my creatures away and I top deck Wheel of Fortune for the win.
Well, as soon as A dies he packs up his deck, throws his stuff in his bag and says “I don’t like playing with you.” I start to say I understand how that’s not fun for him and how I rarely play this deck, and he stands up, leaves his beer on the table and goes. B and I finish the last turn, chat for a bit and leave.
So am I in the wrong for playing a deck too powerful for my environment? feedback from other group members goes something like “your decks are so interesting and we get better by seeing how you play your turns and you don’t gloat when you win or sulk when the whole table turns on you.”
On the other hand, this guy who is 40+, throws salt and shade every time someone blows up a permanent or even throws an opportune attack in his direction. I do consider him the only other player who is a threat though, and have been known to do things like blow up his only Forest (and green source) that he just put a Fertile Ground on...I view it as a learning experience but I also see how some people could consider me an a**hole...
What do you guys think?
2 months ago
What about Esper Creatures? Thoughtseize into Tidehollow Sculler into Spell Queller or Vendilion Clique sounds kinda dumb but fun. It would definitely need a way to keep its creatures alive, which is no small task. Zealous Persecution also seems decent in modern right now.
Otherwise I still want to tune my Mardu Nahiri Control deck. Sugar-free Oreos.
My other current fixation is Traverse the Ulvenwald. Unfortunately I'm convinced any Traverse deck also needs 6/7 Tarmogoyfs, which are expensive. Still could be a fun brew. Currently looking at 12-Cat and RUG Delver as my current ideas.
Naya Traverse could also work. I'd probably try to build it like a Maverick deck from legacy. I'll try that out too.
3 months ago
Ok, this deck has a simple problem. Rather than building win-cons, you've filled a lot of card slots with big, game-ending spells. I'm seeing four combos and big creatures.
The issue with doing this can be explained pretty quickly- Combo cards are effectively blank until you get both parts of them, and high mana cost cards are blank until you can cast them. Most of the game is how you get to your big stuff, rather than staring at them in your hand and wishing you could use them, so that should be reflected on how much of your deck is 'I win if I cast this' compared to 'I need to survive to cast this'.
This basically means that this deck consists of Predator Ooze, Heritage Druid Noble Hierarch Essence Warden and Champion of Lambholt, but your hands will only have one or two of them at most. In modern, most decks will have two removal spells and a way of winning by turn five, so you will lose against most decks unless you get very lucky.
There are some simple solutions to this. This genreally means reducing the number of combo cards while increasing your ways to make sure that they arent 'blank'. Tutors, pseudo tutors, making sure your combos are good without both halves.
You don't want to be attacking enough for Dense Canopy to reliably provide value, so its normally blank- you can replace it. Similarly, Spring Cleaning/Primeval Light takes a long time to be useful, while something like (Felidar Cub/Keening Apparition/Kami of Ancient Law or in particular Qasali Pridemage or Thrashing Brontodon can be bears and destroy all the important stuff the turn evening resolves- its still basically a wipe, its just useful prior to being a wipe.
Your only black cards are Sanguine Bond/Exquisite Blood. They end the game, but without four of each (and Vizkopa Guildmage) it is difficult for them to be in your hand and to reliably cast them. Spells like Zealous Persecution Mortify or Anguished Unmaking could play well with different gamplans but you should cut both of them, and focus more on two colours, as the mana is a lot easier to provide (as cards you can't cast are basically blank).
So, when you are looking at a card in this deck or to add to this deck, think through several things. 'How does it help me' 'When does it help me' and 'when don't I want it'. This means finding versatile cards which can destroy enchantments but are also creatures or have multiple modes (hello Austere Command/Primal Command). Try to pick cards that don't just help with one of your gamplans, but all your gameplans. Similarly. if a gamplan just isn't working out, consider cutting it for more support, or cutting something else to support it more.
I really reccomend focussing on 1 drops that help generate mana/life, and 5 drops that have a big impact the moment they are played (Thragtusk, Painful Quandary) etc. A set of 2/3 mana cards that form your combos or can search your library for them (Idyllic Tutor, Lost Auramancers etc) and a smaller number of wincons. Foccusing in on what you want to do really helps you with picking cards that help you get there.