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Enchantment — Aura
Enchanted creature can't attack or block unless its controller pays .
Activated abilities of enchanted creature cost more to activate.
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Oppressive Rays Discussion
1 week ago
I've tried building decks with Stuffy Doll for years now, looking at what's already been done, searching for cards that make it work decently - it's just not as good as it needs to be. Manabarbs is at least as bad of a wincon. Sure there are really expensive tutors and lands, but it would be pretty foolish to drop $20 a copy for a tutor for a deck that isn't even good. I never said 3 card combos/high CMC wincons means a deck can't have a decent curve. I'm saying that this specific combo isn't very good, that if there were a decent ramp option in boros, it might be more viable. If I could ramp to 6 mana by T4, perhaps Plea for Guidance or some such might be worth it. But I can't. In lieu of a ramp, spells like Oppressive Rays, Oblivion Ring, Phyrexian Unlife, and Ghostly Prison do a decent job of slow the game to grind and make it somewhat possible to maybe get the combo out. I'd like more 1-2CMC spells that fit the theme and the budget, but like I said, they're not out there. Pacifism sucks. Oppressive Rays is way better, and Oblivion Ring is much broader. Journey to Nowhere is in between, and I'd like to include it, but not if it means taking out the variety of things like Unlife, Starfield, Prison. I'm aware of Porphyry Nodes. I don't consider that "budget." Sure, if it were a key component, I'd consider it - but it isn't. Authority of the Consuls is the same.
I was saying for whatever reason, people in my playgroup don't fear Mesa Enchantress [yet]. It's still better than nothing. There are no tutors at a decent price and CMC that are better. Back to Nature is in plenty of sideboards. Myr Battlesphere is a good wincon, better than Stuffy Doll at least.
Your tone suggests you think you've got some kind of understanding of the game and knowledge of spells that I should cow to. The bottom line is that you're suggestions aren't persuasive.
1 week ago
I'm tickled to death with your thoughtfully snide reply. I'm hard-headed, snotty, snide, and argumentative to a fault, so you can only imagine the supreme joy I feel as I write this ridiculous, lengthy response. And I mean that - I'm not being sarcastic.
Manabarbs and Stuffy Doll both have a high CMC, and, in a boros deck, there's not really space for any mana ramp. Which means the curve is going to be bad. Along with Pariah, the absolute soonest the entire combo could hit would be T6, and that wouldn't be an instant win at all. Which means, no matter how many sub 3CMC spells are in the deck, it's not going to get to a win any faster. If I throw in enough tutors to get the Doll and the 'barbs, then it's going to take up so much space, the deck will be much less "protected" early game - it would mean I'd be less likely to draw disruption and without the disruption slots, it would be even more vital to get the combo out, meaning casting tutors with nothing but land out. These are the reasons, while seeming good, both Stuffy Doll and Manabarbs aren't remotely competitive - they're too slow to cast and too slow to win. Building a deck with both is laughable. If it isn't clear, I don't take this deck seriously at all.
Pay No Heed is here because 1) it stops many infinite damage combos, and 2) it stops Manabarbs for a turn, which can be really useful when I can't draw a Stuffy Doll and a Pariah. Because it says "damage" and not "combat damage", it is very useful, much more so than angel song which has a higher CMC and does nothing against the 'barbs or burn, etc.
Phyrexian Unlife is very useful without Solemnity. Solemnity is the half that isn't particularly useful - sure it's good against Predator Ooze and the like, but otherwise, without Unlife, it does less than Pariah - essentially a dead card. Unlife, on the other hand, is basically a risky +10 life, which is really useful in a slow, grindy deck.
Curse of Exhaustion is bad, but manly because of it's high CMC. I've played it a few times in casual matches and my opponents hate it. It's very powerful. Also, it's a distraction for opponents to waste removal spells on. That said, it's surely the worst card here; I included it more as a joke than anything.
While 3CMC is far from ideal, Oblivion Ring is just so bloody useful. It works on pretty much everything. Like Liliana for example. And last time I checked, there was no enchantment removal in black. So yea. O-Ring is really good here, at least, it is on a budget and in a joke deck at that. Since I'm already including a full set of Oppressive Rays, Journey to Nowhere seems to fall in between - being both narrower than the Ring and costlier than the Ray.
Heliod's Pilgrim is decent. I'll consider it. Too bad it won't help get Manabarbs. Also, it's 3CMC, which is exactly the CMC you criticized in your first comment. I'm amused. And while it is decent, even facing removal, Mesa Enchantress at least has the chance of drawing me many, many cards, verses 1 aura. In playtesting, I actually got 2 Enchantress down with a surprising regularity. And they drew me so many cards, Reliquary Tower is actually really useful. In my other, slightly more serious (while still very casual/multiplayer) build Bed of Coals, I've ran the Enchantress as well, and so far my playgroup [shockingly] ignore it. In that same vein, my playgroup was terrified of Authority of the Consuls. Go figure. I chalk it up the meta.
Faith's Shield is really useful here because it works on everything and with Unlife, the Fateful Hour effect is much more likely to be useful, granting me hexproof, too, which really grinds opponents running burn, mill, etc. Stuffy Doll's indestructible does a decent job of giving it staying power. The Shield is more about protecting Pariah and Manabarbs, but it could be used on the Doll against exile, or, on the off chance I get a Ethereal Armor on a Doll, it can be used for a very funny swing. All that said, Pentarch Ward is strictly less useful. And, it comes at that crappy 3CMC you [again] previously said was so "horrid."
Bojuka Bog is here strictly for graveyard hate. I considered other spells like Tormod's Crypt, but those would all take up extra slots while the Bog can just fill in a land slot. Given all the spells but the 'barbs are white, there's little need for mana-fixing. While there are enchantments that would do the job, they would take up space in the sideboard that could be filled with considerably more useful spells. I am aware there are better spells than the Bog, but not spells that would take up less space. I considered Battlefield Forge - it's in my other deck I mentioned before. I'd say the main reason it's not here is because I don't take this deck seriously at all.
Boros Charm seems pretty good to me, especially against Back to Nature. Also potentially giving a Doll with Ethereal Armor on it double strike seems good, albeit extremely unlikely. at 2CMC, I'd hardly consider it "mana intensive", though I happily admit I prefer the shield (thus, the shield is mainboarded the charm is sideboarded. I swap one for the other based on what opponents are running. Karma is very narrow. Basically, it's a joke deck meant for unlikely fun and Karma fits that bill. I wouldn't mind cutting it back to 1x. It's clearly not important. I'd swap a 'barbs for it in matchups against mono-black decks.
Revoke Existence is here because someone in my playgroup runs Myr Battlesphere in a tron deck with lots of graveyard return. It's a tough deck to beat, so being able to exile an artifact is really useful. Personally, if I run any artifacts of importance, I always include at least 1x Buried Ruin, so again, something that exiles artifacts strikes me terrifically useful.
While the curve is bad, I feel like I would be remiss if I failed to point out that this is a slow, grindy deck. With spells like Ghostly Prison, Oppressive Rays, and Phyrexian Unlife, there's likely more time to build up a mana-base capable of hard-casting the spells at the top of the curve. This deck is clearly not intended on getting a win T3, or even T5 for that matter. It's meant as a joke only to be played for laughs in a casual multiplayer context.
I like to build decks here by adding just 1x of any relevant cards, checking "Prototype," saving, and then using the +1/-1 click option. It allows to me to fill the deck out in a more visual way and to consider how many of each card I want. As I continue to make changes and updates, sometimes my decks will drop below 60. But thank you for pointing out I have 1x slot to fill. I'm sure I'll
I did very much hope you'd have some 1-2 CMC budget enchantment suggestions that would thwart opponents developments like Ghostly Prison. I occurs to me that many pillow-fort/prison decks tend to focus on creatures, and are weak against decks with non-creature based wincons. After having researched the archetype of pillow-fort and also searching through every white and red enchantment under 3CMC, I failed to find anything that was broad and relevant beyond what I've already included.
Thank you again, from the bottom of my heart, for your response. The time, thought, and energy you've put in are appreciated.
RudeCanadian on Naya
2 weeks ago
I'd say knock all of your fours down to three each and add some protection/removal/burn spells. Maybe add more cards to gain lands/mana.
1 month ago
Some decent removal options Oblivion Ring, Banishing Light, Oppressive Rays, Celestial Flare, Journey to Nowhere. Artifacts/enchantments: Revoke Existence, Disenchant, Naturalize, Back to Nature, Erase, Sundering Growth
1 month ago
For future reference please put al rules related question in the Rules Q&A on the top bar on the site.
To answer your question, no their creature does not have to attack as the cost on cards like Oppressive Rays or Ghostly Prison is not mandatory, your opponent is not obliged to pay the cost. Though I couldn't find the actual rule here is a ruling released on Gideon Jura in reference to his first ability which creates a situation similar to what you are describing.
"6/15/2010: Gideon Jura's first ability causes creatures to attack him if able. If, during the affected player's declare attackers step, a creature he or she controls is tapped, is affected by a spell or ability that says it can't attack, or is affected by "summoning sickness," then that creature doesn't attack. If there's a cost associated with having a creature attack, the player isn't forced to pay that cost, so the creature doesn't have to attack in that case either."
1 month ago
This might be a dumb question, but let's suppose I Incite an opponent's creature that is enchanted with Oppressive Rays.Let's suppose he also has that three mana. Is he obligated to pay it? I mean,in the most literal sense that creature is able to attack, but maybe the opponent has the choice to not attack...
Thanks in advance
2 months ago
If you add a third or fourth oblivion ring, you can make as many angels as you want potentially by continuing to target each other, but may not be worth doing that. Also, while you may have ghostly prison and suppression field, Oppressive Rays or something like it could be quite good since it is 1 mana.
3 months ago
This is Bean.
- Counterbalance (price for this on here is wrong, it's like $5 on tcgplayer. In fact, a lot of these prices are wrong)
- Frozen AEther
- Mana Maze
- Leyline of Anticipation
- Animate Dead
- Dance of the Dead
- Copy Enchantment
- Aura of Silence
- Arcane Laboratory
- Tainted Remedy
- Oblivion Ring
- Banishing Light
- Sphere of Safety
- Spirit of the Labyrinth
- Aegis of the Gods
- Eidolon of Rhetoric
- Supreme Verdict
- Rhystic Study
- Mystic Remora (Combos with Solemnity, as does any cumulative upkeep cards)
- Phyrexian Etchings
- Mind Harness
- Enlightened Tutor
- Dance of Many
- Pendrell Flux
- Vile Consumption
- Mana Web
- Praetor's Grasp
- Oppressive Rays
- Aqueous Form
- Suppression Field
- Future Sight + Sensei's Divining Top + Etherium Sculptor or Helm of Awakening = draw you whole deck
- Stasis Snare
- Temporal Isolation
- Spirit Mantle
- Starfield of Nyx
- Phyrexian Unlife (play this first) + Ad Nauseam = Draw your whole deck. Unlife says: you can't lose the game for having 0 or less life, and all damage to dealt to you when below 0 life is instead dealt in poison counters. Ad Naus doesn't deal damage to you, it's loss of life and so you can pay as much life as you want, draw your deck, and not gain any counters. Works fantastically with all the Propaganda/Sphere of Safety effects, if you run them. Worst case scenario, just put Solemnity out and you can't gain poison counters :D
More expensive options, or later upgrades to the deck:
- Show and Tell + Omniscience (can allow you to potentially cast any number of game ending combos, i.e. Enter the Infinite + Laboratory Maniac + draw)
- Serra's Sanctum
- Dark Depths (combos with Solemnity)
- Idyllic Tutor
- Runed Halo
- Greater Auramancy
- Bitterblossom + Contamination
- Leyline of the Void, can also combo with: Mindcrank + Bloodchief Ascension, infinite combo while it exiles opponents libraries since Leyline of the Void is out.
- Leyline of Sanctity