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Liliana, the Necromancer
Legendary Planeswalker — Liliana
+1: Target player loses 2 life.
symbol:loyalty-loyalty-minus1: Return target creature card from your graveyard to your hand.
-7: Destroy up to two target creatures. Put up to two creature cards from any graveyard onto the battlefield under your control.
Liliana, the Necromancer Discussion
1 month ago
Hey, saw your forum topic asking for help.
Cards to consider cutting to make 100:
- Demon of Catastrophes : not worth sacing a creature to cast it.
- Nightmare : not worth 5 mana, 5 of the mana cost can't be paid with Phyrexian mana.
- Xathrid Gorgon : same as Nightmare.
- Magus of the Coffers : Crypt Ghast , Coffers, Nykthos, Stronghold all better.
- Liliana, the Necromancer
- Ancient Craving
- Dregs of Sorrow
- Avatar of Woe
- Demonlord Belzenlok
- Eternity Vessel
In your forum topic you said you're not worried about reducing the high avg. CMC by cutting high CMC creatures because you can pay Phyrexian mana to reduce their cost. This is true to some degree, but you're not always in every game going to have Krrik on the battlefield, access to Phyrexian mana, and the times when this happens then having a lower avg. CMC will allow you to actually play Magic.
The other problem is why play worse high CMC creatures then Vilis, Broker of Blood , Pontiff of Blight , Sheoldred, Whispering One or Reiver Demon ? There's no reason to jam a bunch of other high CMC creatures just because you can. These creatures especially the interaction of Vilis, Pontiff with Krrik are better than all the other high CMC creatures who are within the budget here. You would rather draw them then the others therefore make it easier to draw them and don't include lots of other high CMC creatures?
Pontiff of Blight giving extort to all creatures you control is good especially if you're playing a life gain strategy. Extort can be paid for with Phyrexian mana, that's what makes it busted. Each extort trigger can be paid with 2 life, but if you have three opponents you gain 3 life for each trigger, you gain 1 life per opponents who loss life. This means you extort for free and also gain 1 life after each trigger. Even if you only have two opponents you're still getting to extort for free because of Phyrexian mana.
Before you can do anything with Krrik and Phyrexian mana you have to get him on the battlefield and this means getting four mana (colorless or black). First priority for upgrades to consider is adding more early game ramp that's within the budget:
- Dark Ritual
- Cabal Ritual
- Bubbling Muck
- Blood Pet
- Everflowing Chalice
- Mind Stone
- Fellwar Stone
- Basalt Monolith
- Crystal Vein
The strength of Krrik is Phyrexian mana, but to take advantage of this you want lots of other one mana cards. When you play Krrik you want to right away start giving him counters:
- Blood Celebrant : with Phyrexian mana this is repeatable 3 life to add , which is busted.
- Scheming Symmetry
- Rain of Filth
- Inquisition of Kozilek
- Aphotic Wisps : can kill an opponent with Commander damage.
- Tainted Strike : can kill an opponent with Infect.
Cremate, Wisps, Tainted are not usually playable cards, but with Krrik they are because they're free to cast and most draw a card. For one mana or free Symmetry can get you Necropotence into your hand.
Two drops are also good, not as good as one drops, but still good value with Phyrexian mana:
- Imp's Mischief : protect Krrik.
- Night's Whisper
- Blood Artist : cares about your opponents' creatures dying too.
- Animate Dead
You could fit Demonic Tutor and Diabolic Intent in here if you wanted by cutting some cards that are by no means as powerful as either because these tutors can get you Necropotence , Bolas's Citadel or Aetherflux Reservoir ; all more impactful cards/game winning cards. Consider cutting these cards to add Demonic/Intent? Most of these cards are high mana cost redundancy which are not needed:
I offer more advice if you would like. Good luck with your deck.
3 months ago
I'd add Death Baron cheap lord, Quasiduplicate for copy lord, Mana Geode , Dimir Signet , and Commander's Sphere for ramp, Graf Harvest for zombie boosting, Liliana, Dreadhorde General and Liliana, the Necromancer for reasons, and Black Market for getting lots of black mana
3 months ago
I would recommend taking out some more mana intensive spells, like Overwhelming Intellect and Stir the Sands , and adding in more land. A good mana base for a commander deck is usually 35-38 lands. 29 is generally too low unless you have plenty of ramp. Now stay with me here,
4 months ago
I'd run Liliana, Death's Majesty here; the reanimation effect is really surprisingly helpful. I'm very very surprised to not see Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip in here as well. Both are significantly stronger, in my opinion, than Liliana, the Necromancer and possibly Vraska, Scheming Gorgon .
You could run Throne of Geth to get extra proliferate triggers. I'd also highly recommend Imp's Mischief , to avoid targeted removal being thrown at your Walkers. Given that you're proliferating frequently, have you considered Everflowing Chalice or Astral Cornucopia ? Or Illusionist's Bracers , for that matter ;)
I know my list doesn't have much in common with yours - we're doing very different strategies - but there may be some general Yawgmoth synergies you missed if you want to take a look :)
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8 months ago
Otherwise this is a good deck, but Planeswalkers can't be commanders as they aren't legendary creatures. to keep the deck mostly as-is, I would keep Liliana, the Necromancer in planeswalkers and replace either Leaden Myr or Sunscorched Desert with Whisper, Blood Liturgist as your commander. Sacrificing two replaceable zombie tokens is a small price to pay to put something like Harvester of Souls back on the battlefield.
10 months ago
Liliana, the Necromancer might be better here than Vraska, Regal Gorgon. Necrotic Wound isn't as consistent as I'd like it to be, I've run them before, even with 24 creatures it wasn't enough. Fungal Infection or Vicious Offering are solid alternatives. Doomed Dissenter may be good here, once it dies you get a Zombie token and have a creature card in your graveyard for Undergrowth.
10 months ago
But to touch a bit more in depth, Wizards accidentally wrote themselves into a corner. They had a Planeswalker for each color who had personal interactions with Nicol Bolas:
- Sarkhan (Red) saw his world get sundered by Bolas and Ugin.
- Ajani (White) has personally fought Bolas and seen the carnage he can unleash.
- Liliana (Black) ... Okay I personally don't know much about her. I know she accidentally killed her brother before her spark ignited, she made a pact with the Demons, killed them, than Bolas basically said "serve me or die"? Something like that
- Tezzeret (Blue) has been working for Bolas, because Bolas saved his life a long time ago.
But there were no Green Planeswalkers who personally had a history with Bolas.
Now, as I have been told, the reason the Planeswalkers in M19 feel weaker than their current versions, particularly Liliana, the Necromancer and Liliana, Untouched By Death is because Core Set 2019's story is sort of more like a prequel, giving us insight into who Bolas was and his battle with Ugin on Tarkir.
I brought this up in a prior thread where I was curious as to why Liliana felt so weak. In terms of set construction, M19 was released after Amonkhet, in which she kills her final Demon - Razaketh, the Foulblooded.
So if Liliana killed the 4th and final Demon, why does she feel so weak?
What was explained to me is that M19's story takes place long before Amonkhet, therefore (According to the timeline), Liliana is still bound by the Demon(s) during the time M19 takes place in.
What this means is that, DURING M19's story, Samut, the Tested would not have been in the story. She may not even have had her spark ignite. Her spark seems to have ignited when Bolas invaded Amonkhet the first time, where he imprisoned three of the Gods, killed the elderly people, and rewrote history. Samut was able to Planeswalk away, and return during Amonkhet, which is why she knows everything is a lie. Her and Bontu the Glorified are the only ones who remember the truth.
Because of this, since M19 takes place BEFORE the invasion / destruction of Amonkhet, Samut WOULD NOT have been a Planeswalker for them to highlight within the set.
Therefore, they still lack a Green Planeswalker who has actual interaction with Bolas.
Perhaps Nissa did, I don't know, but for some reason they decided to not go that particular route.
So.. they just invented one to fill the void.
Basically, Vivian Reid exists merely because Wizard's wrote themselves into a corner and needed a quick way out :/
11 months ago
Is it just me or is Oriss, Samite Guardian really channeling tatooine bikini Leia. This might be a long one because there's a few things I wanna say and I have a habit of going into way too much detail.
You have very few ways of digging to a second Oriss. Most of your deck doesn't do anything if you don't have at least 2 of her and the chances of that happening naturally in any given game is around 12% on turn three and only reaches 50/50 by turn 12. The planeswalkers, removal and hand disruption help of course however being able to dig for a second copy would be incredibly valuable. I'm thinking Corpse Churn, Discovery / Dispersal or even Shriekhorn seeing as you have so many ways of getting stuff back.
Activating Oriss won't stop them killing her in response. The vast majority of removal spells in the modern format, especially the most played ones, are all instant speed. Modern decks usually fall into 2 categories : Proactive kill you on turn 4 combo decks and "fair" or "linear" control decks that are usually packed with Fatal Pushs(+fetch lands), multiple Lightning Bolts, Terminates, Path to Exiles and Cryptic Commands so if your planning on letting your opponents draw their entire deck they are going to get out of the lock eventually. My suggestion is Lightning Greaves, Swiftfoot Boots or even Gods Willing.
The bit where I suggest random cards. Palace Siege seems insane and tbh you probably want more Liliana, the Necromancer. Codex Shredder is like Shriekhorn except it can be a Time Warp when the lock is partially assembled. Memorial to Folly is a potential alternative to Haunted Fengraf. Dusk / Dawn has potential as both sides can be relevant and you usually want a split on wrath to play around Meddling Mage a.k.a. 1 Damnation, 1 Day of Judgment and 1 Wrath of God instead of 3 Wrath of God.
Anyways sweet deck concept. I think some version of this could be modern viable.
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