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Sheoldred, Whispering One
Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Praetor
Swampwalk (This creature can't be blocked as long as defending player controls a Swamp.)
At the beginning of your upkeep, return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield.
At the beginning of each opponent's upkeep, that player sacrifices a creature.
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Mortlocke on The Song of Phyresis
1 month ago
Thanks for posting! ONE is definitely going to shake this deck up considerably in that I absolutely plan to incorporate some of the spells that give opponents Poison counters - without targeting them, no less. I have a number of changes already planned and would love to hear your thoughts as I'm honestly having a bit of a tough time speculating on what to cut to make room. So far, here are my planned changes
Ixhel, Descendent of Atraxa for Hand of the Praetors: Given that Infect will be less dominant of a mechanic among creatures in this deck cutting Hand of the Praetors seems logical. Besides, with the host of cards that allow me to place poison counters directly on opponents, Hand of the Praetors seems even less relevant.
Skrelv, Defector Mite for Viridian Corrupter: Skrlev provides so many benefits being a psudo Mother of Runes that also grants Toxic and evasion. Viridian Corrupter's ETB effect is far too narrow for my liking, and only amounts to just a 2/2 with Infect. Toxic creatures such as Skrlev boast so many "goodstuff" effects that it's a no brainer why Corrupter has to be cut.
Myr Convert for Grateful Apparition: Apparition has long been on the replacement list as it's a non-phyrexian. Myr Convert is a perfect replacement as it's another mana dork that can put poison counters on players. Losing a proliferation source is a loss, but given the horde of new Toxic creatures that proliferate off of one trigger or another, this overall is a net gain.
Bloated Contaminator for Priests of Norn: Bloated Contaminator is actually my dream creature for the set. Evasion, Poison and Proliferate on a great body is just a dream come true. My only hope is that there is another creature just like it in March of the Machines. Priests of Norn is an okay creature for the most part but doesn't amount to much beyond just being a 1/4 infect creature.
White Sun's Twilight for Winds of Abandon: I've always been somewhat disappointed with Winds of Abandon as it more likely than not can ramp my opponent far beyond my ability to stop them. Sure, a horde of tokens can be wiped out - but at what cost? White Sun's Twilight isn't exactly a one sided boardwipe, but it can get me a bunch of 1/1 creatures that put Poison counters on players on top of slowing them down.
Vraska, Betrayal's Sting for Sheoldred, Whispering One: Obviously i'm happy to see Phyrexian themed planeswalkers and I'm overjoyed to see another Planeswalker with a focus on Poison counters. Swapping Vraska in for Sheoldred is both a mechanics and a flavor win - Sheoldred turned her back on Elesh Norn to pursue her own misguided and selfish desires along with the heretic Urbrask.
Tyrranax Rex for Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger: I've enjoyed the Soft lock VoH places on the board just by virtue of being there alone, but I've felt that his control never really synchronized with the rest of the deck. Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider compliments the deck directly and is a huge flavor win. Tyrranax Rex just seems like the perfect upgrade as it is CMC cheaper, has almost as many keywords as Questing Beast and places multiple Poison counters on an opponent when it hits. Rex in my eyes is a "backup" Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon in terms of power level and "feel".
Phyresis Outbreak for Toxic Deluge: Phyresis Outbreak is the mass removal I've always wished for and is a direct upgrade to Deluge - within the context of this deck that is. This card is absolutely a must include.
The Seedcore for Swamp: The Seedcore gives me Sliver Hive vibes, but having a card that fixes my mana in a 4 color deck and is a flavor win just seems like a no-brainer.
Venerated Rotpriest for Glistener Elf: Venerated Rotpriest is just a deterrent as this deck has very few spells that I would consider worthwhile for targeting my own creatures. Glistener Elf is an okay card but within the context of EDH it's "meh". Late game it hardly makes an impact without a horde of +1/+1 counters and some form of evasion.
Contaminant Grafter for Blight Mamba: Containment Grafter feels like a great card that can help reinforce a boardstate and put additional pressure on opponents mid to late game. Early game it would essentially help me run away with the game through conditional ramp and card advantage. Blight Mamba has honestly never done much for me and generally is as impactful as Glistener Elf.
Now comes the list of cards I think are at least worth considering (that I may or may not include) but don't exactly know what to cut to make room for:
Staff of Compleation: This is a big flashy card that caught my attention given the myriad of things it can do. However without the right combo piece this card could end up doing me more harm than good.
Glistening Sphere: There are very few drop mana rocks that are worthwhile, but this one definitely caught my eye. I'm not sure if it's any better than Astral Cornucopia though, as i've been ramped into the stratosphere with just a few proliferation triggers. Not to mention it only gets better just by having Atraxa on the field. I really want to like this card, but it doesn't seem to make the cut. If only it were
Infectious Inquiry: this seems like an absolute must have and am honestly considering cutting Phyrexian Arena for it. Arena does nothing the turn it ETBs and if I draw it late game it'll literally do nothing. Infectious Inquiry on the otherhand is always relevant, replaces itself and draws me a card. I just can't help but feel like i'm missing something by cutting Phyrexian Arena. I want to go ahead with this decision but I can't help but feel apprehensive and would really like your thoughts on this one.
Infectious Bite: I want to love this card but unfortunately besides the commander there are relatively few creatures whose bite would make any meaningful impact on the game. I think I might pass on this one.
Prologue to Phyresis: Everything you said about this card is spot on, and it is relevant at any point of the game. The question is - what to cut for it? I think cutting Contagion Clasp might be the move on this one, but i'm not entirely sure. Clasp is very conditional removal but what's important is that it's a repeatable proliferation source. But, maybe the new inclusions will help offset the loss of a proliferation source? I think this is the right move but I would like to hear your thoughts.
"What's your experience with Blightsteel Colossus and Contagion Engine? Do they ever come out to the battlefield or just happen to be on-theme inclusions?" To answer your question both hit the battlefield on a regular basis. Blightsteel Colossus is surprisingly easy to cast with a proliferated Astral Cornucopia or Everflowing Chalice. One of my best plays was countering a Villainous Wealth with being equal to 8 with Mana Drain and funneling that mana into a turn 5 Blightsteel. Contagion Engine is great for mass removal as well as a proliferation engine. If I tutor for it it's usually alongside Tangle Wire after Ichor Rats hit the field. It essentially grinds the game down to a snail's pace - or a halt under the right conditions.
End rant, sorry to write you a book but I had a lot on my mind. Please let me know what you think of all the upcoming changes!
TheVectornaut on black mono
5 months ago
Aside from Reaping the Graves and Extinction, it looks like everything here is modern legal. If you're looking for modern replacements for these cards, I'd consider Empty the Catacombs for the former since it synergizes with Leyline of the Void, and Plague Engineer for the latter because it's just good at dealing with most tribal strategies. That being said, there's no real reason to be returning cards from graveyard to hand instead of the battlefield since you have no on-cast triggers. In casual, I really like Hell's Caretaker as a way to turn a Reassembling Skeleton into a Sheoldred, Whispering One, Razaketh, the Foul-Blooded, or something similarly silly. You could always go with more traditional reanimator cards like Reanimate and Animate Dead though. Either way, I'd probably up the creature count and run a few less full board wipes.
contactandylove on Riveteers: Henzie upgrade
6 months ago
Wickked yeah it is a bunch of fun. It'd be more fun if I could test play it more regularly. Ahaha.Im still undecided on the value of Professional Face-Breaker and Atsushi, the Blazing Sky they are sitting in the boulder along with Gamekeeper, Shivan Devastator, Junji, the Midnight Sky, and Sheoldred, Whispering One.
GorramScoundrel on Urborg Legend
6 months ago
Love this deck! I think Hidden Stockpile would be a good fit, and if you can find place for a 5 cmc enchantment Spirit-Sister's Call would be on theme. Also… Sheoldred, Whispering One!!! Aaaaaggghhh!!!
ronsen on Answers to Massacre Wurm for …
6 months ago
I have a RG tokens deck with Thromok the Insatiable as commander. The idea of the deck is a simple go wide with small tokens approach and maybe make use of a few select creatures with devour if given the chance. It's not meant to be high power level and I like how it plays right now.
One main issue though is that one player in our group has a mono black good stuff/toolbox deck that has Massacre Wurm that pretty much shuts my deck down when he gets it, which he does fairly often because he runs a couple of tutors coupled with black's good card draw. He also has the option of recurring it from the graveyard as black decks usually do + he runs Sheoldred, Whispering One as his commander.
I'm now left wondering: what card/s, if any, does RG have access to that can help me to at least not instantly fold to Massacre Wurm? The wurm is the main example because it can handily wipe my board of small tokens while destroying my life total in the process but general tips for board resilience and token support are also appreciated.
For reference, here is the deck in question
Commander / EDH*
SCORE: 1 | 135 VIEWS | IN 2 FOLDERS
multimedia on Liesa, Liesa, they so flying...
7 months ago
Hey, if you want to stop No Mercy then consider Cathar Commando? It's a budget creature so it can be reanimated or recurred with Liesa, Forgotten Archangel as well as other ways which I will mention in my next comment :)
If your getting Jumpstart packs there's several cards to look for other than Exquisite Blood:
- Witch of the Moors
- Phyrexian Reclamation
- Sheoldred, Whispering One
- Blood Artist
- Selfless Savior
- Speaker of the Heavens
- Phyrexian Tower
- Drana, Liberator of Malakir
I believe in using my money getting singles to build my decks not on $5 packs, but if you enjoy cracking Jumpstart packs look for these cards. Selfless Savior and Blood Artist are uncommons, you might have these cards.
If you're interested in Exquisite Blood then maybe you want to make your deck more combo? I don't think Exquisite is worth $18 since with $18 you can make several upgrades not just one card. For $18 you can make close to 20 card upgrades. Even if you're playing casual having a combo to win the game is helpful. Just don't combo off right away, let the game build up, have fun and then boom.
- Vizkopa Guildmage
- Children of Korlis
- Bond of Agony
- Tainted Sigil
- Mischievous Poltergeist/Wall of Blood
- Revival / Revenge(Revenge)
There's no budget alternative card for Exquisite Blood, but you can mimic the outcome of what the Blood combo does with budget cards. By making yourself lose a lot of life and then gaining the life you lost right back.
Vizkopa Guildmage's ability is like Vito, Thorn of the Dusk Rose/Sanguine Bond except it's more powerful because it affects each opponent all at once not just one opponent. It however costs three mana to have the effect until end of turn. The combo is to cast a spell or activate an effect to lose a lot of life such as Bond of Agony where you can control how much life you lose which then makes each opponent lose that same amount of life. When you lose the life then sac either Children of Korlis or Tainted Sigil to gain all that life back. This then triggers Guildmage to make each opponent lose that same amount of life again, most likely killing each of your opponents for having 0 life and you win the game.
Children of Korlis is a good card for gaining life because it looks at all life you lose for the entire turn. You can gain a lot at one time after a big attack from opponent doing combat damage to you or a small amount, you choose. It's a one drop creature who can be reanimated or recurred to repeat this effect, great with Liesa, Forgotten Archangel. Outside the combo if you're paying a lot of life for draw such as with Greed then Children can help to gain that life back.
In my last comment I mentioned you can get quality from filler creature cards you play with Infantry Veteran as example of not quality. Children of Korlis and Selfless Savior are examples of quality budget one drops. Mischievous Poltergeist/Wall of Blood's ability can be paid as much as you want, each time losing 1 life, but it's not a good card outside the combo. I suggested it because it's a creature who can be easily reanimated or recurred which can be helpful to more easily combo or repeat the combo. If I was playing this combo I would play it for that reason.
I'll continue with more advice in another comment later.
FolkOccult on Sheoldred, Rising Dead v2
7 months ago
I just saw your list yesterday while I was scrolling through the site, and wanted to say I find it all so charming! I love decks hungry to consume their own creatures and use them as fuel. Korvold, Fae-Cursed King, Hogaak, Arisen Necropolis, or even K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth, are commanders that just keep on giving as long as you throw bodies into the furnace so to speak. It's a delight to get their engine rolling, and I've always wanted to build a Tergrid, God of Fright Flip or Sheoldred, Whispering One deck.
If you planned on using Sheoldred still, Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth is both flavorful and helps turn all of your opponents' lands into swamps, allowing sweet unblockable commander damage. I've never really left a comment on this site, but looking at this deck list makes me want to show my K'rrik deck some extra love. Props dude, I'm gonna love following this deck's progress.
While it's on my mind, something that might help, using Poison the Cup for its foretell may add to 4 mana, but it lets you store a Murder outside of your opponent's influence and lets you scry off the top, allowing you to search for lands, or more removal/creatures to send to grave; and if you might be looking for more mass recursion to your library (whether to avoid Rest in Peace or similar effects, Gravepurge is another way to draw whichever creature you might have planned on saving.
Bolas's Citadel may be pricy on mana, but it mass sacs, and after a Bone Harvest or Gravepurge could allow you to just rebuild your board with your life total. Anyhow. I love this deck, apologies for the long winded comment.
TwistdGod on Lord Xander Taxing your Deck
7 months ago
Lim-Dul's Vault - Solid card for searching your deck for a specific card. Red Elemental Blast - Cheap blue counter spell or blue permanent destruction if your pod has a lot of blue players. Tergrid, God of Fright Flip - replace Sheoldred, Whispering One as tergrid combos better with your commanders ETB effect. while getting you advantage to boot.
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