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Creature — Elf Assassin
All creatures able to block Ochran Assassin do so.
4 months ago
Removed Ochran Assassin added more creature-based reanimation Doomed Necromancer also trying out Grim Hireling removed Victimize which I realize is reanimation. But I believe Meren of Clan Nel Toth is better with creature-based effects.
10 months ago
Hired Poisoner , Massacre Girl , and Ochran Assassin also give some more options. You also want to take advantage of creatures dying, so cards like Rushed Rebirth , Blood Artist , and Sangromancer can offer some support.
1 year ago
Hey, I saw your comment. Is this an alternate account for twechsler or is this deck just inspired by theirs? Either way, I'll go into greater depth on some possible build paths. libraryjoy is correct in that if you're (mostly) mono-green, your best way to destroy creatures is often to take advantage of the abilities on your own creatures. You already have the deathtouch style shell so I'd just focus on that. But even with deathtouch, there are a fair number of options for guaranteeing that damage gets dealt. There are the bow/staff cards like I use in my artifact commander deck A Pile of Cans with the deathtouch from Sydri, Galvanic Genius . Then there's fight effects which you can see working with Wren's Run Packmaster in my wolfless wolf deck Size of the Fight in the Dog (although this strategy doesn't require DT if your creatures have high enough power). A final approach is forced combat damage. Since it's been mentioned the least, that's what I'll focus on here.
Forced block cards like Lure , Gift of the Deity , Indrik Umbra , Ochran Assassin , Roar of Challenge , Tempting Licid , Provoke , Irresistible Prey , or Tangle Angler are the core of such a deck. Most of these cards are rather costly in terms of CMC, and I'd consequently only recommend such a deck for slower casual play. It should be pretty strong in creature-heavy metas though. If that sounds reasonable, the next thing you have to decide on are the creatures and supporting cards. These choices aren't always obvious because of the many things a deck like this wants. For example, it may be better to play cheap deathtouch creatures like Deathcap Cultivator , Gifted Aetherborn , Narnam Renegade , Wasteland Viper , and Nightshade Peddler so you can start controlling the board sooner. But if all your DT creatures have low power, they'll only be able to kill 1 or 2 things off a big forced block. Thus, it may be better to instead grant deathtouch with other cards like Basilisk Collar , Deadly Allure , Virulent Swipe , Bow of Nylea , Archetype of Finality , or Ohran Frostfang . Then, you could just run creatures with high attack for their cost. Still, I think there's something to be said of looking for other abilities that interact well with deathtouch. First strike and double strike are the most obvious examples because they can let your creatures survive combat to attack all over again on later turns. Viridian Claw , Glissa, the Traitor , and Grappling Hook see play in such decks for this reason. Alternatively, you can learn from the synergy of the Frostfang that abilities triggering on face damage pair well with deathtouch. Only a fool would block your 1/1 DT with their 3/3, but if that 1/1 is drawing you a card, suddenly that trade sounds more appealing. Cold-Eyed Selkie , Dimir Cutpurse , Edric, Spymaster of Trest , Oakhame Adversary , Ohran Viper , Tomebound Lich , Fynn, the Fangbearer , and Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons are some cards that might fill this role.
I know I've just rattled off a lot of cards here. I'll try putting together a casual deck to demonstrate what I'm talking about when I find the time.
As an aside, I see that you've included Novablast Wurm as the only meaningful white spell in this version of the deck. It's too slow to see play in anything but ramp, but it can definitely be built around as a beefy Wrath of God too. Consider using something like Heroic Intervention or a Dauntless Escort sacrifice to break the symmetry on the board wipe. Also, creatures that grant boons on death like Thragtusk or Wurmcoil Engine could find a home in a self-wipe deck, although the Wurm might be outclassed then by something more traditional like Austere Command , Settle the Wreckage , Kindred Dominance , or Phyrexian Rebirth .
1 year ago
I'm pretty sure that Ochran Assassin and first strike doesnt work like that. But +1 cool deck anyway
1 year ago
Labone I'll preface this by saying I have not quite developed this deck to its fullest potential. My casual playgroup finds this deck very frustrating to play against in the casual meta, so I've abandoned it for now unfortunately.
For the planeswalker, Vraska the Unseen was originally in Garruk, Cursed Huntsman's spot. I choose Garruk for two reasons: he has card draw attached to removal which can net two two cards per dead creature when combined with Chevill. And secondly I simply like the theme of Garruk better. Any Vraska would still be a good addition, but I would personally not use Vraska, Swarm's Eminence for reasons I will explain below.
This is not a deathtouch tribal deck, this is a removal tribal deck. The difference being that this deck values simple removal spells such as Doom Blade over good deathtouch creatures such as Vampire Nighthawk.
From the cards you mentioned: Hooded Blightfang, Leyline Prowler, Vampire Nighthawk, Poison-Tip Archer, Ochran Assassin, Hornet Queen, Archetype of Finality, Gifted Aetherborn are all deathtouch creatures. While they are good creatures on their own, they are not the focus of this deck so they are left out for lower CMC removal spells.
Titan Hunter isn't a bad idea, lifedrain is a viable win condition for this deck.
Ravenous Chupacabra: A very mana inefficient removal spell. Without any recursion in the deck to make it shine, it doesn't stand up to the many 2 drop removal spells.
Hope this helps.
2 years ago
@ Gbeail Thanks. ^^
If after some field testing I need another enabler I'd most definitely add Dark Bargain in again or take out Jarad's orders because Dark Bargain tutors for 2 cards where as Jarad's Orders is only 2 creatures.
@ multimedia Thanks. ^^
Great suggestions, Fauna Shaman was already in the list haha. I prefer my Grim Flayer just a tad more over Stinkweed Imp because it let's me manipulate the top of my deck like a Sensei's Divining Top while also putting the cards I want to keep on top. Where as Stinkweed Imp puts everything in the graveyard (and the trample is nice).
Doom Whisperer is something I'll definitely try to include.
As for Ochran Assassin; The reason it's in here is not just for the deathtouch but for the second effect, "All creatures able to block have to block". With First strike it becomes a one sided board wipe, giving it Indestructible makes it completely bonkers. Kathril can give it the counters it needs or it receives them through Odric, Lunarch Marshal.
2 years ago
Hey, interesting version of Kathril and nice primer.
Fauna Shaman and Stinkweed Imp can be an engine to tutor for creatures and discard/self-mill creatures. Imp has flying keyword and dredge; Fauna is a way to get it back into your graveyard to dredge again while also tutoring for a creature. Doom Whisperer has flying/trample keywords and using life for surveil can be a self-mill/manipulate the top card of your library source. Doom is a good card while also providing keywords for Kathril. Sylvan Caryatid has important hexproof keyword while also being a source of ramp.
Cards to consider cutting:
- Gurmag Swiftwing: not needed because of Vampire Nighthawk which is a much better card.
- Majestic Myriarch: not needed because of Cairn Wanderer which is another example of better card.
- Ochran Assassin: there's much better creatures here that have deathtouch as well as other keywords.
- Expedition Map: don't see a land here that's important enough that you want to tutor for it.
Good luck with your deck.
2 years ago
I would think that Vampire of the Dire Moon should be standard in a deck like this. I like the inclusion of Evolution Sage and Vraska, Swarm's Eminence backed up by Stony Strength , Courage in Crisis and New Horizons (at 3 copies of each) allowing your death-touch creatures to feed off Evolution Sage and grow in power. 2 each of Murder and Assassin's Trophy provides back-up creature removal. Everything else should be lands or death-touch creatures, but I would look to focus more on 1- and 2-drop creatures (maybe including Sedge Scorpion ). Among all your 3-drop creatures, only Leyline Prowler and maybe Ochran Assassin offer value for mana. Izoni, Thousand-Eyed is just so expensive to cast that it will seldom work in this deck.