Choose two target players. Each of them searches their library for a card, then shuffles their library and puts that card on top of it.
|Have (3)||Horizon97 , Forkbeard , Taki117|
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|Core Set 2020 (M20)||Rare|
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Scheming Symmetry Discussion
1 day ago
Nice brew! I contemplated building this when this was spoiled. I have some suggestions. Not sure if you have a budget but I'll try not to list anything expensive. BTW, I LOVE LOVE LOVE the fact you are running Rhystic Tutor! Definitely not a highly used card, but could be just as good as the expenisve tutors if you run a high-level political game.
As for tutors, I like the using some of the fringe stuff like Scheming Symmetry and Tunnel Vision. Now the latter doesn't appear to be a tutor and typically most want to use it for milling but you can totally use it on yourself to mill down to the card you are looking for. It's sometimes double the advantage if you are using graveyard shenanigans and want more cards in your graveyard anyway. This isn't necessarily a graveyard deck but it can probably still be proven as a useful tutor.
Windfall, Flash of Insight, Prosperity or even Teferi's Puzzle Box might be useful to you to wheel and deal through the deck in the event you do not have nay tutors in hand. Not something you have to include but another angle of how to get your commander in your hand. Tutoring is probably most effective and efficient.
My only other advice is maybe take out some of the creatures for anything new you put in since this deck solely cares about your commander's wincon.
Hope this helps! Good Luck! +1
1 week ago
troca opportunity por Precognitive Perception , shrine of the forsaken gods eh ruim, dispatch precisa de um deck mais focado em artefato, 19 eh pouco pra consistentemente ter 3 no campo, callous oppressor parece horrivel kkkk, painful truths nao funciona se voce jogar de graca do yennett, troca por um Read the Bones ou Notion Rain ou Dream Cache , o resto parece bem decente, mas vou falar um monte de carta impar que eu gosto: Burnished Hart , Thief of Sanity , Prognostic Sphinx , Scheming Symmetry , Acquire , Aether Gale , Wave of Reckoning eh especialmente bom pq nao mata yennett e mata o resto, Time Wipe , Plague Wind , Generous Gift , Mortify , Gilded Lotus , Imprisoned in the Moon , Mind's Dilation
1 week ago
Dark Ritual is the perfect tool for casting your demons earlier; I'd recommend fitting 3 or 4 in the deck. Heartless Summoning is something to consider as well. Ob Nixilis, Unshackled isn't very useful in this deck unless you run something that forces the opponent to search their library like Scheming Symmetry ; Some cheaper CMC (and $) demons to consider are Abyssal Persecutor and Desecration Demon . Rakdos, the Showstopper is also an OK one-sided board wipe as well. This could also open you up to cheaper CMC devils and Imps such as Rakdos Cackler or Vexing Devil . Overall I like the theme a lot and I think it has potential to be really disgusting.
1 week ago
UPDATE - I'm now showing the multiplayer deck as the main deck, since that's what EDH is all about. I also removed "Steal effects" like Gilded Drake , since I don't want to go in that direction after all. I dropped some of the more expensive cards to keep cost reasonable, and loved finding Scheming Symmetry - tutor for a card, then when opponent does the same, hit them with Archive Trap or other mill effect! Maybe even tricking them into finding their baddest beasty - brilliant!
1 week ago
Stronghold Assassin seems really weak? Like you have to untap with it, which probably won't happen. I'd highly suggest Bontu the Glorified . Oof, Scheming Symmetry ? I think I'd rather run Vampiric Tutor it can also replace Wishclaw Talisman It seems like you're giving the combo players too many tools in competitive.
2 weeks ago
I've been making changes, some have worked out, some not so much. Still having the same challenge getting the Avg Win Turn down to 4 or below, however, I have seen the combo win-% go up dramatically, almost never kill with combat damage anymore ( Rakdos the Defiler and Kaalia of the Vast + Master of Cruelties are the exceptions).
Giving Dockside Extortionist a fair test, so far no feeling either way, hasn't been stellar, hasn't been a disappointment. I put Corpse Dance in to give him an Infinite Combo so he has the best opportunity to impress me, we'll see. He is not my style of card, anything that relies on my opponents doing something, I generally avoid, but still evaluating what he is, recently added.
I've actually removed every (except Hall of the Bandit Lord ) non-T1 land, so Meteor Crater won't meet my criteria. Also trying to cut down on the # of non- Worldgorger Dragon effective lands where I can too (like Sacred Foundry ), that way if I T1 Worldgorger Dragon can make infinite with "most" lands.
Reflecting Pool , Dragonskull Summit (all check lands), and others have been eliminated, hate not having a on T1. I do like having Swamp and Plains , also note I've added Snow-Covered Swamp as well, to mitigate Blood Moon type effects, and utilize the Path to Exile and Assassin's Trophy (and some other ramp spells) benefits.
Forbidden Orchard is good, but doesn't work great with Master of Cruelties which I still play, mana sourcing is still quite good and consistent anyway, so no need to go the Forbidden Orchard or Tarnished Citadel routes anyway unless makes strategic sense.
Mox Opal just never going there, I ran another Mox Opal probability table this past weekend for a Kess, Dissident Mage friend, I just don't like it, I won't share the whole table, but here is some reasons why. Also, keep in mind, this probability is only the probability of drawing 3 artifacts (assuming you draw a Mox Opal whats the chance you have 2 others), if I were to do P(Drawing 3 artifacts) union P(drawing Mox Opal ) would be VERY low.
T1 with 18 artifacts is only 11%. By turn 5 (ignoring additional draw for now) is only 32%. At 24 artifacts T1 is 22% and T4 (want to win on or before this turn) 52%. 28 artifacts gets close to a good playability at T1 31% and T4 58%, but I feel if Kaalia of the Vast has 28 artifacts, just to engage a Mox Opal you should probably be playing a different commander, because their just aren't that many utility artifacts for Kaalia of the Vast .
Final Parting would allow for a Animate Dead tutor and a Worldgorger Dragon GY, but also need something to do with the infinite mana or have a damage outlet ( Dragon Tempest or Bogardan Hellkite ). So at CMC7 ( Animate Dead is CMC2), I'm better off running a Doomsday pile, which I've also decided is too high CMC.
Scheming Symmetry is tempting ( Sensei's Divining Top also works), but still don't have enough draw to make it viable. With I think could be viable, but I've also seen it removed by players with draw attached to their commanders, it's just too risky, basically gives your opponent the ability to stop you and then win themselves, likely. If Scheming Symmetry was Instant it could work with Mishra's Bauble and would be a playable/fantastic tutor, but drawing your card on their turn isn't good because our Infinite combos are sorcery speed (you can build an instant speed, but it starts degrading synergy).
Thoughtseize has been fantastic and very useful, plus it's modular ability to get Worldgorger Dragon out of my hand, it's helped me avoid walking into chaos by seeing the control players hand and either knowing or removing a catastrophic play.
Right now pretty sure I need Simian Spirit Guide , the is blah, but he gives me the for Animate Dead on T1, and gives me an Animate Dead target to stop the Worldgorger Dragon loop and play out my hand, hopefully tutors or a Razaketh, the Foulblooded in a perfect scenario. So like Swamp + Entomb + Chrome Mox / Lotus Petal + Simian Spirit Guide + Animate Dead + something to do with mana (tutor probably, don't have Cut in my build) is another T1 win outlet. Tutor Razaketh, the Foulblooded , then sac Simian Spirit Guide to get Leonin Relic-Warder into Dance of the Dead and tutor up a Goblin Bombardment and a Necromancy with infinite tutor (bound by life but it's T1 and only need 2 tutors = 4 life), and then infinite damage. Hoping it will just give me another T1 path to win, which should inevitably lower my Avg win turn at some point.
Talisman of Conviction is on the potential cutting block, it's great net rock, but no .
I'm thinking of abandoning the combat damage line, so Gisela, Blade of Goldnight would go, but not quite there yet. Most don't like Avacyn, Angel of Hope , as removal is usually exile, hand or changes it's board state, rarely destroy, but gives an option from destroy effects, so I don't know yet. I took Balefire Dragon out, think I still need him, he probably could be a Fire Covenant but I like my control on my ADD, my interaction package is a little light I know that, only because I prefer to just try and win, opposed to trying to stop others from winning, just a philosophy, don't think it costs me wins.
Running out of ideas, doing research on Discord, going to look through a bunch more decks, already did comparisons to the Primers there, I'm never going Stax Ob Nixilis, Unshackled or maybe Aven Mindcensor / Chains of Mephistopheles maybe ill win the lotto one day / Stranglehold as far as I'll go if I do go that route.
2 weeks ago
What's happening on your end; I see quite a bit of changes. How's everything been working out? I have yet to play with the deck, so unfortunately I do not have any thoughts in regards to its performance . I did go to a tournament today but I didn't partake. I watched and had a bunch of practice plays with two other decks I been in the works of.
I seen Dockside Extortionist doing work in a flicker/Cycling theme deck, which surprisingly was a very well constructed deck. That card is just stupid good when blinked. Wondering if you had any chances with it yet?
Or even Forbidden Orchard ? will giving an opponent a 1/1 really be that detrimental? as long as it gets you to go off quicker.
or Possibly even go as far as adding a Spire of Industry ? Hmm, maybe switching out a Swamp and Plains for a Vault of Whispers and Ancient Den adding a Mox Opal ; trying to bring up the artifact count.
Previously you mentioned adding Final Parting as a means of another Buried Alive but then having to find a way to get Goblin Bombardment What about Diabolic Revelation , tutoring one over having to discard? I guess with the outcome, they're both one of the same.
Have you thought about Scheming Symmetry ? Almost another Imperial Seal but then your opponent also get's an advantage. Can maybe work in conjunction with Night's Whisper , Faithless Looting , Ransack the Lab , Street Wraith but so can Mishra's Bauble as well, which has an added benefit of working off a Vampiric Tutor
Of course everything said is just being thrown out there. At this point, I almost feel you've been exhausting all the options so it's almost reached the point of "well how about this even though it's ehh" lol. Such as, for draw at a low CMC you have Burning Inquiry but that in itself is a super gamble.
Anyways, hope you got some game's in!
3 weeks ago
Hmm... I don't have this issue because my LGS's have alot of this type of lame-o crawling out the woodwork, so I play tabletop with closeknit people I historically have great games with... I don't personally understand wasting your time playing a deck that will always play out the same at optimal, & will always tutor for the same stuff at optimal, it is still a card game @ its' core it seems like an LGS powertrip thing to take the gamble out of the game. Anyway, in my playgroup, I have optimized my goofy kingslayer role to an art & actually learned to win with it occasionally. Convention & words may not win out for against this personality... I would adopt the kingslayer role for a while, run some statement games PACKED with artifact destruction, enchantment destruction, 0 cmc to give opponent's life but cast for free types of stuff, learn how to ruin his day hard (make this your objective vs. winning, you may actually find fun achieving this).....Also, if the group flexes to allow this as commander, then they should allow you to make whatever bomb proxies you need to test this out. If you get the feeling others feel this way then Jund with things like Scheming Symmetry is a good way to kick this in the gonads. Also, converting all that garbage into creatures can be fun Titania's Song , Opalescence