Choose two target players. Each of them searches their library for a card, then shuffles their library and puts that card on top of it.
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Scheming Symmetry Discussion
3 weeks ago
1 month ago
Nice deck. In goldfish playtesting it seems to make impulsive drawing fun yet practical, as the OK deck MV + Treasures lets you typically cast exiled cards.
Nitpicking feedback: Gonti, Lord of Luxury doesn't seem worth it without a flicker source, unless your meta is heavy on topdeck tutors (yes, I see Scheming Symmetry ). It's pretty much an unexciting body with Shimmer of Possibility attached except usually worse because stolen cards, on average, synergize worse with your deck than your own cards. I'm more okay with your other card stealers as they're all some combination of being cheaper, more reliable, reusable, and stealing trough some form of control.
1 month ago
As much as this deck may be named after the card, Scheming Symmetry is a really fragile spell and I think you need to build better around it if you want to make it good. With only the 4 pieces of hand attack, once your opponent knows what your gameplan is they'll just tutor up an answer and now you've used a card to get a card and give your opponent an answer to your combo, and you won't have a way to stop them. I'd recommend either more hand attack to yoink whatever they tutor for OR just to protect your combo if you don't use symmetry, or just cut the symmetry since it's really bad against any deck that'll have an answer. Symmetry is really only good against decks like burn or zoo or other aggro variants that have lots of consistency. If you symmetry against combo they'll just find their own combo and you've used a mana and a turn to help your opponent and against control or midrange they'll just find an answer to your combo.
2 months ago
I have to agree that op agent is way more broken then hull. Personally I take full advantage of agent by including force search cards in my build. Scheming Symmetry & Field of Ruin for example. You can trust me when I claim I have done much worse combos with agent then breacher could ever dream of.
2 months ago
What about Scheming Symmetry in Tasha MILF? whatever they go get you get to milf.
2 months ago
By "dodge the cumulative upkeep" I just mean you don't have to put age counters on Lazav if you shapeshift him into a creature other than Mystic Remora before your upkeep rolls around. For example, you could shapeshift Laz into the Remora during your end step, reap the draws while your opponents all play their cards, then at the end of the turn directly before yours, shift Lazav into Ornithoper or something. Your upkeep passes with Lazav free of his Remora persona, so you don't have to put any age counters on him. Just do your regular Voltron sequencing during your turn via Banehound, Wall of Blood, etc, then during your end step shapeshift Lazav back into Remora to passively draw more cards.
Ebb n' flow gameplay, basically. Lazav morphs into reactive cards like Remora and Hullbreacher to recover resources on your opponent's turns, then morphs into your Voltron pieces on your turn.
Ad Nauseum certainly sounds like a nifty choice for late game hand replenishing. I myself am going to try out Jace's Archivist and Blood Scrivener . They're reusable and Lazav can copy them for less mana than an Ad Nauseum activation. Then again, Scrivener's draw is highly conditional and copying Archivist means tapping Lazav instead of attacking someone. Ad Nauseum might be better after all since it doesn't need your Commander on the battlefield.
Will have to keep testing. I know I suggested Scorched Ruins in my last comment, but I've since noticed the Vector Asp / Phyrexian Dreadnought oneshot needs a black mana to activate Asp's lingering Infect self buff. The Ruins only produces colorless, so although they still make the Wall of Blood / Banehound play doable, the card remains a debatable include. The monetary price to acquire it is another factor (as if that matters in a deck where Phyrexian Dreadnought and Intuition are mandatory includes).
My pockets aren't as deep as yours, so I'll try to trim my own build's budget with Scheming Symmetry and Wishclaw Talisman . Thanks again for this deck's ghoulishly clever combo primer, and wish me luck as I labor to lob Lazav at my opponents.
3 months ago
VayraTheGatherer: Scheming Symmetry isn’t a good card, particularly in a control build. Its problem is that it doesn’t draw you anything, so it creates card-disadvantage. When every card matters, this just hurts us too much - the gimmick isn’t worth it, imo