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Where Ancients Tread
Whenever a creature with power 5 or greater enters the battlefield under your control, you may have Where Ancients Tread deal 5 damage to target creature or player.
5 hours ago
Wild Pair - let those adorable dragons come in with a friend!
Garruk's Uprising is also an idea for this deck.
Colossal Majesty needs to go in - you need card draw and one cannot simply rely on one spell to get that. In fact, I would put Ponder, Divination, Harmonize and/or Brainstorm in this deck to make sure you have something to fall back on. Well of Ideas is thus a good ... idea! ... I will see myself out.
Tutor spells; one or two. Diabolic Tutor is pretty cheap.
If you want more damage shooters, Where Ancients Tread is fun!
Living Death is also an idea.
3 weeks ago
Hey, for being new to Magic well done upgrading the precon on a budget having a good amount of cards in each area of deck building (lands, ramp, draw, removal).
What makes Vrondiss, Rage of Ancients a scary Commander is when he has indestructible. Then he can take an infinite amount of damage and each instance of damage he takes creates a Dragon.
- Anara, Wolvid Familiar
- Roar of Challenge
- Tamiyo's Safekeeping
- Withstand Death
- You Look Upon the Tarrasque
- Tyrite Sanctum
Anara, Wolvid Familiar is a budget repeatable source of indestructible for Vronn as long as it's your turn. Roar of Challenge and You Look Upon the Tarrasque forces all defending player's creatures to block Vronn who's indestructible. Each creature who blocks does damage to Vronn which is one instance of damage to create a Dragon. This effect creates Dragons equal to the number of creatures who an opponent controls who blocked. Tamiyo's Safekeeping can also protect Vronn from targeted opponent's removal with hexproof.
If Vronn is indestructible then there's a wincon combo here to create infinite Dragons which is infinite damage to each opponent.
When Vronn creates a Dragon then Scourge does damage to an opponent, then Tempest/Outpost/Surge/Ancients does damage to Vronn or vice versa and repeat.
Some budget lands to consider replacing some basic lands:
Good luck with your deck.
2 months ago
bushido_man96 thanks for all your suggestions! I added Harmonize to the list, might honestly cut it for Greater Good. I love Where Ancients Tread, and have it in my Omnath deck, I'm just a bit stumped for what to cut in the deck.
My only issue with Quicksilver Amulet is that most of my high-power creatures are < 4 CMC. A majority of the cost reducers in the deck
Definitely like the idea of at least saccing a mana dork with Ziatora, might just have to play this deck once it's built to see which I prefer! :p
I appreciate all your suggestions, cheers!
2 months ago
There are few enchantments you can consider that will help you get more fat creatures into play: Sunbird's Invocation for when you cast your big spells, and Lurking Predators for when your opponents cast spells. Elvish Piper and Quicksilver Amulet are a few other options for cutting some mana value down, and they give you the flexibility to put creatures into play at instant speed. This can ensure you get some attacks out of your creatures if you want before flinging one of them at the end of your turn.
A Strionic Resonator will let you double up on damage for sacrificing one creature.
Lifeline is a fun card, but it works for the whole table. With your build here, though, you'll usually be taking for more advantage of it than anyone else.
6 months ago
I like Vrondiss, as well. I also thought of the combo with Warstorm Surge, Goblin Bombardment, and a spell to make Vrondiss indestructible. That's what I'm building around. I'm moving away from the dragon focus the precon came with. Where Ancients Tread is another good sub for Warstorm Surge.
6 months ago
So I have rambled on and on about my thoughts on all of the different aspects of this deck. In advance, I would like to thank anyone who has taken the time out of their day to read all of these and leave their own thoughts, as that is part of what makes this community great. There aren't many more themes to talk about in the deck. Now, onto win cons. So my main win conditions in the deck are damage from triggers and beating the opponent down with hoards of big dragons (with a third backup wincon with Hellkite Tyrant and Hellkite Igniter).
For damage from triggers I have Where Ancients Tread, Warstorm Surge, Dragon Tempest, Terror of the Peaks, Scourge of Valkas and Panharmonicon. They work great with Lathliss, Dragon Queen due to the tokens she generates when another dragon is played, all activating those damage triggers which can be used to control the board and directly target the opponent's HP pools. Archwing Dragon is a reliable way for the Damage triggers to activate each turn. Summons from Utvara Hellkite, Skyline Despot and Dragonmaster Outcast act as backup token generators for the damage triggers in case our lathliss isn't in play. Demanding Dragon is potentially a free 5 damage to the opponent's face. Drakuseth, Maw of Flames his damage trigger is repeatable every time you attack.
Supporting cards for the first win condition: I do not have any of these three cards in my decklist, as I can't figure out what I want to replace to get them in, but the dream is there. Conjurer's Closet allows you to make a dragon leave and re-enter the field at the end of the turn, triggering all of our ETB effects above. Mirage Mirror allows you to copy one of our pieces above, and you can choose the most beneficial one. It would be nice having two Dragon Tempest in play, especially say if you have 6 dragons on the field, have Mirage Mirror end of turn triggering them and getting free 12 damage to any target you want. If you could fit in a Fiery Emancipation that 12 turns into 36!
The secondary win condition "beat down", with "big" "dragon hoards", is also supported by Lathliss, Dragon Queen due to the big 5/5 token dragons she pumps out. The "dragon hoard" part is also supported by cards such as Utvara Hellkite, Skyline Despot, Dragonmaster Outcast as they all generate plenty of dragons. Now the "big" part comes from my anthems that buff my dragons Crucible of Fire, Gauntlet of Power, The Immortal Sun, and Vanquisher's Banner, as well as several dragons that are all pumpable to make them and/or their fellow dragons hit harder. Moonveil Dragon, Scourge of Valkas, Moltensteel Dragon and lastly Lathliss, Dragon Queen. Now, the fun part of my secondary win condition, "beat down" comes into play. Dragons such as Scourge of the Throne and Hellkite Charger allow you to take an extra combat turn, allowing you to really bash in your opponent's face with your big dragon hoard :)
Supporting cards for the secondary win condition: Terror of Mount Velus gives all of your dragon's double strike. Thundermaw Hellkite allows you to tap your opponent's fliers, allowing your dragons through. Drakuseth, Maw of Flames allows you to potentially shoot down any small fliers blocking your path. Cards I would like to put in: Fervor, Anger and Akroma's Memorial would allow any dragons that enter the field to have haste (with akroma adding a slew of goodies and protection). Door of Destinies could allow you to grow your dragons even more. Gratuitous Violence and Fiery Emancipation would allow you to double and triple your damage. Rage Reflection granting double strike would be nice. I would prioritize Fervor, Anger and Akroma's Memorial, as haste is such a beautiful thing, as it helps make up for lost time due to how expensive your dragons can be. I am not sure what I need to remove to fit them into the deck.
Lastly, Hellkite Tyrant is a pretty nifty dragon, acting as a potential win condition on its own. My deck has plenty of artifacts as is, and I typically play against 2-3 (sometimes even more) opponents in a game. Reaching the 20 artifacts owned is doable, the hard part would be keeping it, the artifacts, and yourself alive until it is once more your turn (Suddenly that wall of text I wrote on protection is looking a lot more appealing). Another fun synergy with that is Hellkite Igniter, if that can sneak on by you can pump its damage insanely high due to all of the artifacts! Need to see about getting some haste in the deck to help it connect...
Thanks all for reading!
6 months ago
Ok here is my take on the budget side. TLDR: Land total and Ramp increased. A lot of subpar removal taken out, and better ones put in. Some cheaper dragons/shapeshifters added to smooth out curve and provide cheap dragon drops for commander ability. Most importantly is added some value for getting extra dragons from cards, either by creating tokens or playing them for free from hand/deck. Added in 3 additional wincons similar to Terror of the Peaks to make it easier to win just by populating board and swinging in. Note that the wincons also can serve as creature removal, which is why so many of the outs are instant/sorcery removals
1 year ago
Assault Suit could be fun here. It allows you to keep the dragon spirit that it is attached to. The haste is nice as well.