Where Ancients Tread
Whenever a creature with power 5 or greater enters the battlefield under your control, you may have Where Ancients Tread deal 5 damage to target creature or player.
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|Commander 2013 (C13)||Rare|
|Shards of Alara (ALA)||Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Where Ancients Tread occurrence in decks from the last year
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Where Ancients Tread Discussion
4 days ago
Very cool deck! Lightning-Rig Crew is essentially another Impact Tremors although a bit slower. Salvaging Station might be worth including despite the mana cost. Here are others you might like: Where Ancients Tread, Warstorm Surge, Blood Pet, Skirk Prospector, Bolas's Citadel, Trophy Mage, Trinket Mage, Tribute Mage, Pia's Revolution
2 weeks ago
Sarkhan's Unsealing might be an interesting choice since you're going creature-heavy. Might be redundant with Warstorm Surge and Where Ancients Tread, but maybe that's a good thing? Could count as one of your removal spells
2 weeks ago
Oh, I like Chained to the Rocks a fair amount. Keep that one in.
As far as utility goes, you have some real winners. I like Berserkers' Onslaught and LOVE Warstorm Surge and Where Ancients Tread. Iroas, God of Victory is excellent. I like Brave the Sands a lot too. I actually have a soft spot for Story Circle but i could see it staying or being cut.
I kind of like Deflecting Palm but Comeuppance may be better. Probably won't have room for them though. Feudkiller's Verdict I love for the flavor but isn't too great. I might be tempted to keep it though!
I love that Hammer of Purphoros is in. Haste matters a surprising amount when you're dropping huge creatures. You might want to include Fervor as well. I should have one on hand for trade. One more advantage for Swiftfoot Boots and Lightning Greaves. No wonder they're so ubiquitous!
Aurification seems like a sweet choice. I have a Ghostly Prison on hand if you want an added layer of defense. I run one in my Giant deck. Speaking of defense, Boros Charm is an excellent include. Make sure it ends up in the final list.
I would drop all the anthem effects. They aren't great when you're boosting two 6/6s up to 7/7s. They're for go-wide strategies like zombies, elves, and goblins. Spear of Heliod has the utility of destroying creatures, but leaving three mana open al the time is hard when you're trying to cast a bunch of 7-drops. Perhaps it could count as one of your Removal cards.
Damage doublers will be much more effective. I have a promo Dictate of the Twin Gods if you'd like. Furnace of Rath is good and Fiery Emancipation is insane, but they're pricey. I don't have either of them for trade. I do have a Gratuitous Violence somewhere that you can have; it's almost as good.
Along with Berserkers' Onslaught, I have Blood Mist and a Duelist's Heritage on hand. Rage Reflection would be great too because it works on defense too. I don't have one though. I have a Loyal Unicorn, but it's no giant. Nahiri's Machinations is a fun budget choice if you wanted to pick up an effect like that. I have a Dolmen Gate for trade as well. I adore that card and run it in many decks.
You probably aren't going to have much more room for utility cards if you want to keep your creature count high. I would recommend dropping every miscellaneous card not mentioned here.
2 months ago
Hey BenWin, thanks for the shout out. As you wrote a long post I thought it fair I do the same in reply.
I want to respond to your comment as I think there is a lot you are overlooking in your analysis, most of which is on point. However, you mentioned a few cards now a couple of times so I want to break these down a bit as you have gone to the effort to write an extensive comment.
Firstly I'd like to address your comment on Burgeoning + Ghost Town which you've shown your self to be an big advocate of. These are great cards and on paper seem to be great additions to the deck as they appear to enable one of our main objectives which is landfall triggers. However, the reason I think these cards have fallen out of favour is because they're very situational. Let me expand on that. If you do not have an opening hand with Burgeoning and a number of lands and a way to refill your hand (a very specific situation) the card is lackluster. Yes it is great if our opponents are constantly playing lands and we have Ghost Town and Burgeoning but this is honestly rarely the case. They are a weak draw 90% of the time. Even with Burgeoning in our opening hand as we do not have built in card draw we stall. Even with the increased draw effects provided by Zendikar Rising I do not think it is worth the spots.
Calling the removal of Perilous Forays crazy talk seems strange to me. The CMC of this card is 5, ideally we want to wait until Omnath, Locus of Rage is out before we play it so dodge removal. Even more ideally we want Amulet of Vigor in hand/on the battlefield too. My second gripe with the card is that once we have ramped a couple of times, played land each turn and then got into a position to 'combo off' with Perilous Forays most of the time the number of basics in our deck barely makes it worth while as it effectively switches off all our remaining ramp spells. There have been so many times I have 'gone off' with Perilous Forays and not killed a single opponent and left myself in a worse position. In my experience as this deck has evolved, and I have actually been playing it weekly since BFZ launch this card no longer packs the punch it once did.
I agree with you on Force of Vigor, this deck is extremely lean on interaction and removal as it is. This card is too strong to exclude.
Regarding Ancient Greenwarden and Doubling Season being enablers for 'overrun' type strategy I can't disagree with you more on this. We want to make 5/5 tokens on mass as we want to either trigger Warstorm Surge, Terror of the Peaks or Where Ancients Tread and/or we want to sac then to Omnath, Locus of Rage to bolt our opponents to death. We need a critical mass of 5/5s so that we can deliver enough damage to face. Mass elemental tokens also gives us sudo protection from board wipes. I know you're playing devils advocate here but no, in my opinion these cards generate huge value for Omnath generally not for a specific strategy.
Your comment on Nahiri's Lithoforming I find interesting as this is exactly my point on Perilous Forays and Burgeoning but my opinion is that Nahiri's Lithoforming is a great card almost all the time whereas the other cards I have mentioned are not. This card is gas with Titania, Protector of Argoth on the battlefield, if we have a decent hand already we are 80-90% certain to have lands to replay or draw into a land recursion effect like Crucible of Worlds or Splendid Reclamation. Not as good as Scapeshift obviously but I think you are underestimating the power of the card. Of course, play testing will tell us either way and I'll be interested to see if this card doesn't work out, which is might not, but I think until another land-centric draw card comes out this one is going to do Omnath just fine.
I haven't decided whether I am going to play Roiling Regrowth yet but I don't agree with your pros and cons analysis. The assumption that is worse than Springbloom Druid I don't think is accurate. Instant speed is a premium and shouldn't be under valued especially if you're playing with a pod with interaction etc. Getting Omnath triggers at instant speed is great and you can dodge opponents interaction. Your comments on the 4cmc ramp spells, I think these cards are just fine and fair. Not exceptional but not bad, Migration Path with cycling is a nice bonus. If these 4cmc ramp spells were instant, what would you think then?
Moraug, Fury of Akoum might just a be great additional line this deck can take. If the board state allows for it Chord of Calling this beast into play on an end step might be game winning. I am really on the fence as I'd really want a haste enabler to really break the card but honestly it might be fine by itself.
I ran Tooth and Nail for a long time with various different finishers and yeah it wins but it is not that fun a victory unless you count the time I have Omnath and Titania out and entwined It That Betrays and Keldon Firebombers into play, that was fun! It really depends what you want from Omnath. Omnath isn't my competitive deck. It is my pubstompy deck to pull out when people are bitch about one thing or another. If I want to combo to win I play one of my other decks. Each to their own though. Tooth and Nail wins games its just not for me and Sekki, Seasons' Guide is pretty weak the rest of the times you draw it.
I think your comment on non basic land search is spot on, we need more. I just don't think that there is currently any ones good enough for the deck other than Crop Rotation and Scapeshift, we just need to wait for better non basic search to be printed. A 2cmc Crop Rotation would be nice.
My issue with Skullclamp and Sensei's Divining Top is that they are not actively winning the game. If I were to include Top in my deck it would more often that not end up being a 2 mana brainstorm as I would likely shuffle it away with a fetch. Green Red doesn't have the draw that other decks have that can really abuse Top, it ends up slowing us down. Skullclamp is great value but I just don't think we'e a Skullclamp deck. I'd rather the slot for something that is enabling a win by synergising with the rest of our deck, Skullclamp doesn't, it is just value. Sure you can play it but it is detracting from what Omnath is trying to do in my opinion. You're also going to get a lot more hurt from Null Rods and Collector Ouphes out there. We have an advantage that a lot of hate doesn't really effect us. Apart from Humility of course which kinda hard counters Omnath most of the time :(
All of this discussion is what makes Omnath such a great general as there are so many viable build options.
2 months ago
VexenX, I love the new conversation sparked by Zendikar Rising! When deck-building or adding new cards, I think it's important to revisit our win-cons. As it stands, I believe your deck has two types of win cons: burn and creature overrun. Ever since the removal of Akroma's Memorial and addition of Fiery Emancipation, I've come around to the fact that Burn is a more competitive win con. Would you disagree?
Next, since Omrath runs little removal, I believe that we should be in the mindset of designing a deck that works towards its strengths more than patching its weaknesses. This way, our goal should be to put pressure on our opponents and win as quickly as possible. You can see where I'm going with all this, as I am suggesting cuts to creature overrun enhancing cards and keeping/adding burn enhancing cards.
A few comments on your new card update post:
1) I 100% agree with Valakut Exploration. Although card draw is neat, you and everyone else on this page may be underestimating just how good the burn value can be! Because the damage is dealt to "each" opponent, we have a mini Purphoros, God of the Forge on our hands. Since Valakut Exploration burn is triggered by landfall, it works especially well with - you guessed it - Burgeoning + Ghost Town! And the more creature overrun enhancing cards like Doubling Season we slot out for cheaper draw-into-hand cards, the more smoothly Burgeoning works in the deck just by itself. And the more cheap draw-into-hand cards we have in the deck, the more likely we are to cast the cards we draw off of Valakut Exploration. Ahh!!! Okay rant done.
2) I feel like slotting out Perilous Forays is crazy talk. Other sac outlets need Omnath, Locus of Rage AND creatures to sac to take effect. Perilous Forays only needs Omnath, Locus of Rage in play - plus an upside of comboing off - plus an upside of working towards the burn win con.
3) I can see slotting out Force of Vigor. It is a flex card after all. Personally, I think 0 mana removal is too broken to cut through.
4) Ancient Greenwarden may be a godlike card, but I'd like to play devil's advocate and remind you that it is both expensive and plays towards a creature overrun win con just like Doubling Season. I respect and even back your choice to add this card, but I think it's just a little clunky and on the for-fun side.
5) Isn't Roiling Regrowth a strictly worse Springbloom Druid? Not that I'm against adding more cheap mana ramp, but I would personally add Springbloom Druid back first. For the record, I do agree with Ranger's Path being on the chopping block. Same goes for Migration Path. On paper they look just fine. In testing, I'd be happy to see one or both go.
6) I'm worried that Nahiri's Lithoforming may de-ramp us in some games resulting in an autoloss. The risk is too high for this card in too many hand states in my opinion.
7) I think Moraug, Fury of Akoum is a great reason to be back IN for the creature overrun win con. However, it benefits greatly from Doubling Season effects and doesn't synergize at all with Where Ancients Tread or sacrificing effects. This once again comes down to priority of win cons. If we're more in burn, which I personally believe us to be, than I would recommend against this.
Next, I'd like your thoughts on a few cards as additions to the deck if you wouldn't mind!
1) Play Tooth and Nail, paying it's entwine cost (9 cmc total - which is nothing for this deck)
3) When they both hit the battlefield, Terror will see Sekki and trigger causing 8 dmg to a target. In this case, point that damage right back at Sekki.
4) Sekki will lose all of it's counters, creating 8x 1/1 faeries and going to the graveyard.
5) Terror sees these 8 faeries coming in, pointing this 8 damage at a player's face.
6) Then sac all 8 faeries to bring Sekki back. (Sekki's last ability is played from the grave)
7) Rinse and repeat for an infinite damage combo.
In my opinion, adding 1 card to the deck, Sekki, Seasons' Guide, isn't a tall ask for an extra infinite combo in the deck. We already have creature tutors, so Tooth and Nail isn't even required. But after the addition of Sekki, Seasons' Guide, adding 1 more card, Tooth and Nail, instantly wins us many games when we draw it for just 9 mana. Not only do I think you could cut Craterhoof Behemoth for this combo but Craterhoof Behemoth works towards a creature overrun win con, so I'd argue it's on the chopping block anyways! You could use Avenger of Zendikar and Purphoros, God of the Forge as backup Tooth and Nail targets for the burn win con. To take this one step further, with the addition of a card that can win us the game if resolved, why not run Gamble? Twice the chance to draw into a quick and easy win con with added upside of 1 cmc and flexibility.
2) Thoughts on Skullclamp? I think it's a disgustingly good card for draw and we already have sac outlets to trigger it.
3) Thoughts on re-adding Sylvan Scrying? Ever since the removal of Tempt with Discovery, I've been missing nonbasic land tutors. Lets compare Sylvan Scrying to Rampant Growth. Rampant Growth gives us 1 mana ramp for 2 mana to use as early as turn 3. Sylvan Scrying at the very least does the same if we search up Ancient Tomb. And I think it has so much more upside if we draw it mid or late game too.
4) Thoughts on Sensei's Divining Top? I think it feels great to draw in opening hand and makes early game even more consistent.
Thanks for your time in answering my posts. I know they can be a little long!
4 months ago
VexenX, as you have recently inspired me to find room for more draw in Om_Rath, I have done some testing and I'd like to recommend some ambitious solutions. First, I'd like to touch on some cards that I think have been holding Om_Rath back.
1) Doubling Season. Lets power level check this card by comparing it to another 5 CMC card Where Ancients Tread. I believe both cards serve a similar purpose: Do more damage. If our focus is burn: Doubling Season does an extra 3 damage plus a sac outlet effect per land given that you have a sac outlet vs Where Ancients Tread's 5 extra damage per land, no outlet required. The biggest problem I'd like to point out is that Doubling Season demands that you also have a sac outlet in play to be interactive with other players on the same level as Where Ancients Tread. Although we will usually come across one of our four sac outlets in a given game and we'll always have the creatures to burn players given a board wipe, Doubling Season is very often a slow card. Not to mention that it always deals less total damage than Where Ancients Tread. Lets look at the other upsides of Doubling Season though. What it has that Where Ancients Tread doesn't is the ability to create more creatures. Lets take a look at the cards that benefit from more creatures in the deck: Gaea's Cradle, Shamanic Revelation, Purphoros, God of the Forge, Craterhoof Behemoth, keep in mind Akroma's Memorial was recently slotted out, and more burn effects like Where Ancients Tread. None of these cards are at all dependent on Doubling Season effects, they appear to only be assisted. I could not say the same about Where Ancients Tread - a card that Om_Rath is often dependent on to close games. In summary, although Doubling Season and Parallel Lives are strong synergistic cards, I view them to be awkward in many hand states and cut-able if the price is right.
2) Genesis Wave. I gotta say this card looks much more exciting on paper than when you actually play it. And that's IF you play it. First off, Genesis Wave is usually the last card in your hand that you play when you're out of gas. This isn't a bad idea if you need a mana sink and if you have good odds on hitting some bombs. I won't knock the mana sink call, but what exactly are we trying to hit in this deck? In theory, we're playing a deck that has its main bomb for a commander, so most of what you can expect to hit is lands and cheap spells. And in that respect, isn't Genesis Wave often a high CMC ramp spell? The kind of spells we've been cutting from the deck for a while now for good reason? I think it's cuttable.
3) Command Beacon. I get that it's useful to have a late game land, but I think Command Beacon is TOO late game. Every time you sacrifice a land, you sacrifice tempo. Tempo you could use to drop more lands for a real CMD cast or draw spells into real protection for Omnath, Locus of Rage. For ex. just one tutor draw can grab Sylvan Safekeeper and a lot of the time that works better than any Command Beacon loop will. If you're looking for a late game land, I think you want to be in Field of the Dead. I've been absolutely loving it, and it even fills the role of a tiny Doubling Season, keeping Gaea's Cradle, Shamanic Revelation, and Purphoros, God of the Forge perfectly happy even after Doubling Season's removal. This also means splitting your mountains and forests in half to make room for equivalent snow lands.
Off this tangent, I would propose the following changes with a theme of increasing draw, decreasing CMC, and not compromising win cons:
And lastly, with the addition of more reliable draw I think Burgeoning deserves to be revisited. You will have more hand states with more lands than you can play in a turn or even two. If you were to make the swaps I listed, I would recommend slotting in Burgeoning over Mina and Denn, Wildborn. I think this is more where we wanted Om_Rath to be in the first place. I believe you only slotted out Burgeoning because the deck didn't have enough consistent card draw. We know Mina and Denn, Wildborn fills a flex spot because it's an expensive Exploration and if all Exploration effects were integral to the success of the deck, we would also be in Wayward Swordtooth. If we're in Burgeoning, I think we should also slot in Ghost Town again. In summary:
I hope you take everything I say with a grain of salt, and at the end of the day I just love chatting about Om_Rath!!!
4 months ago
After some testing, I am personally liking the swap from Splendid Reclamation to World Shaper. I think it provides more value if drawn early game with a 3/3 body, and more value late game because it can be tutored more freely and we will usually draw into a sac outlet for it by then. On second thought about my comment a few days ago, I actually don't think that Om_Rath needs both Splendid Reclamation and World Shaper. I rarely find myself needing to proc the effect more than once per game, as I usually only want to search for it after I play Scapeshift or Greater Good to discard a lot of lands. And in those scenarios, bringing all those lands back should be done to close the game.
As for card draw, I like Staysky2814's comment about Life's Legacy and Momentous Fall. I think Life's Legacy in particular deserves a good look because a 2 CMC card for draw 5 on average sounds very ideal to me. I also checked out Rasaru's budget list and noticed he's running Reforge the Soul. It might not be as good as wheel, but it might be playable given how tough it is to find draw in our colors.
Another card I've had my eye on is Doubling Season. On paper it seems perfect, especially when pairing it with Where Ancients Tread or Purphoros, God of the Forge, but somehow I just haven't been loving it. Doubling Season might be powerful, but its also a clunky card in hand a lot of the time that doesn't see play as often because it doesn't provide interaction as quickly as cards like Where Ancients Tread for the same CMC. I could be wrong on this one, but I'm curious to hear what people have to say about their experiences with Doubling Season. Besides, I've been searching for what cards could be cut to make room for more draw.