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DRAGONS BLAM! People had been trying to get me into EDH for a while, and I had a shiny Scion of the Ur-Dragon in my binder. I could have gone combo or control, but I decided to go for the crazy instead. This was my first EDH deck, and it's still my favorite.

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I decided to try something new and switched out all the Planar Chaos dragons for the Fate Reforged dragons. The deck plays very differently now.

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Koa1096 says... #1

First of all, have you considered any of the dragonlords from Dragons of Tarkir? My brother runs Dragonlord Ojutai and Dragonlord Dromoka in his Scion deck and they both seem really useful (and they both look sweet). Second, you should replace Darksteel Ingot with Chromatic Lantern. In my experience, having a rock that allows your lands to tap for any color is much better than having one that's indestructible, and I never play more than three colors. In five colors, Chrome Lantern would be even better. Or you could try Prismatic Omen. That would work well with that Draco card in the maybeboard, and it seems more useful than Mana Bloom.

August 5, 2015 3:43 p.m.

BlackHawkFTW says... #2

What about switching out City of Brass with Command Tower. Maybe switch something out for Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx.

October 11, 2015 1:36 a.m.

somewhatclever says... #3

I recommend cutting Dragon Tyrant. It is very costly with a 10 cmc and 4 mana upkeep. I know it is a powerful card but by the time it can be casted it really won't have a huge impact in the game. I think that running a Dragon Broodmother would benefit your deck better. It costs 4 less to cast and instead of paying a 4 mana upkeep you get a dragon on every players turn.

I also think that you should be running a Dragon Arch. It let's you cheat in your multi-colored creatures for only 2 generic mana. Plus it is in flavor with your deck.

January 7, 2016 12:55 p.m.

Rhadamanthus says... #4

I don't think I've ever actually cast Dragon Tyrant (maybe once, I'm not sure). It's in the deck so I can activate Scion of the Ur-Dragon and win the game with flying, trampling, double-striking, fire-breathing Commander damage.

You're right about Dragon Arch, but I can't remember if I have one.

January 8, 2016 12:04 a.m.

Kingdomsteel says... #5

I'm looking forward to making my own EDH dragons deck, I've seen some cool ideas in this deck. In my own experience, in a 60 card mono red dragons deck, I've met alot of cool combos that demolished my enemys lifepoints. Here are a few cool cards you might want to add in your deck.

Anger of the Gods since most of your dagons are 3+ defence, this is a nice removal for those anoying 1/1s that help your enemys

Seething Song OP accelerator IMO

Sarkhan's Triumph Look for that one card you really want on the battlefield

Dragonmaster Outcast free tokens, here they come! try making this card hexproof, always help

Berserkers' Onslaught doublestrike for all attacking creatures!

Dragon Tempest combine this with Scourge of Valkas and pew pew away

Flameshadow Conjuring many card with certain effects are now copied, double the effect, double the danger with for example Utvara Hellkite

Purphoros, God of the Forge more pew pew

Koth of the Hammer cheap, strong 4/4s and my favorite is the -2 ability

Thunderbreak Regent where is he? such a nice addition!

Dragonlord's Servant pay less for more!

Dragonspeaker Shaman Same thing here

All of these cards run great in a mono red deck, dunno about in your deck. My experience is also to run a max of 3 colors to keep the game enjoyable, and not color dependant. Gimme your thoughts, I'm sure I can learn alot from any comment. I have an open mind :).

January 20, 2016 12:06 p.m.

Rhadamanthus says... #6

I like several of your suggestions, especially Dragonmaster Outcast, Dragon Tempest, and Thunderbreak Regent (all my Regents are currently living in a Standard deck). You're also right about Anger of the Gods-type effects, but I think this deck would find it easier to consistently cast Radiant Flames (also currently tied up in the Standard deck), so I'll go with that instead the next time I get a chance to sit down with this deck and make changes.

It's very rare that I have color problems, but I do have to manage my mulligans carefully to make sure my game gets off to a decent start. I learned a lot from playing a 5-color 60 card deck that I've had around for a long time.

January 20, 2016 3:03 p.m.

deathkeystroke says... #7

add moltensteel dragon it will allow you to firebreath by paying 12 life then switching to skithrix and killing someone in one swing all you need is 4 mana to activate twice

February 6, 2016 8:17 p.m.

merrowMania says... #8

Have you considered Wheel of Sun and Moon? It makes Scion pretty broken. It could replace Gurzigost. I have also found Karrthus to be dangerous because of all the clone effects in EDH.

February 24, 2016 7:53 p.m.

Moltensteel dragon + Skithiryx combo doesn't work.According to Gatherer:9/25/2006 When Scion of the Ur-Dragon becomes a copy of another Dragon, it loses its copy ability for the rest of the turn.

:(

March 3, 2016 10:43 a.m.

Half of the combos that we think that work, don't work. Nuf said.

March 3, 2016 10:46 a.m.

Rhadamanthus says... #11

It works. You activate Scion's ability a second time in response to the first activation (i.e. before the first activation actually starts resolving).

March 3, 2016 11:45 a.m.

VexenX says... #12

They all work, talk to any judge that knows anything.

March 3, 2016 11:59 a.m.

Thanks for that information, it cleared up some questions I've been having. Also, please excuse my ignorance of my previous comments. I have a habit of running my mouth, sorry.

March 8, 2016 9:41 p.m.

borosftw says... #14

so does that mean with say the skithiryx moltensteel combo that if u stack the activations and activate the firebreathing's in response to the 2nd activation it keeps the +'s considering the wording says "Moltensteel Dragon gets +1/+0 until end of turn"?

March 20, 2016 8:20 p.m.

Rhadamanthus says... #15

Yes, it works. After the next Scion activation turns it into a different dragon, the +X/+0 will still be applied on top of the new base P/T. That's just part of the way +X/-Y effects work. The fact that the dragon has a different name now doesn't matter.

March 20, 2016 9:14 p.m.

wavesport001 says... #16

Check out my take on Scion, it's not combo either, although there is one big combo in the deck...

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/casual-scion-primer/

April 14, 2016 11:11 p.m.

Myrik says... #17

I like Command Tower over Transguild Promenade here. In this deck they produce the same colors, but Tower doesn't enter tapped or require you to pay 1 or sac it.

May 5, 2016 10:44 a.m.

Rhadamanthus says... #18

Thanks, I've had in mind to replace Rupture Spire and Transguild Promenade for a while, but I also haven't played Commander in a while either. I don't know how long it's been since I last looked at this deck and I don't know whether or not it's truly up to date. I think I have a couple extra Command Towers laying around from some precons I took apart and never rebuilt. I'll try to remember to check up on that the next chance I get.

May 5, 2016 11:50 a.m.

Claymore24 says... #19

I also run a scion deck and I have to say that I really don't like the look of wheel of sun and moon. Once that card hits your field sure it does some derpy things for you but makes patriarchs bidding and living death (both of which should just end the game for you) pretty much into dead draws. I would personally prefer a tutor or seedborn muse so that if you have one of those kill cards you can sit by and dump all of your dragons into your grave on your opponent's end steps and then once your turn co.es around drop the bomb and say gg.

May 8, 2016 8:51 p.m.

oglance says... #20

July 6, 2016 1 p.m.

Whysvert says... #21

Would it be cool to know what kind of playstyle you run with this deck? is this a beatdown giants Scion?

July 22, 2016 1:38 a.m.

Rhadamanthus says... #22

There's 2 basic strategies:

  1. If I'm playing a 1-on-1 game, I first try to go for an early commander damage kill, because if it works, awesome! Usually I do one hit with Nicol Bolas to clear the way and then follow up with Dragon Tyrant. It can also be done in one shot with either Dragon Tyrant plus a lot of extra or getting Rafiq of the Many onto the battlefield and then pulling up something like Hellkite Overlord.
  2. If I'm playing a multiplayer game, or if my 1-on-1 opponent can stop me in step 1, then I go with the giant dragon beatdown plan.
July 22, 2016 12:51 p.m.

Smokus_Krakus says... #23

I run a lot more utility (to fetch in my Scion deck (Smokus), I'll just list them in case you like any of them. Belltoll Dragon (for hexproof), Dragon Mage (for card draw when you run out, also because I've got a lot of return to play cards), Dromar, the Banisher, Dromoka, the Eternal, Hellkite Tyrant, Oros, the Avenger, Quicksilver Dragon (basically hexproof with an added bonus), Savage Ventmaw (for instant mana generation and the possibility of then returning it to play), Scourge of the Throne (conditional but can be powerful), Treva, the Renewer (I play for longer games so this good for me).

I also have some return to play cards and other stuff that I like. Animate Dead (2 mana for any Dragon basically), Call to the Kindred (good on Scion with my hexproof fetching), Frontier Siege (get to choose more mana or removal), Gravitational Shift, Urza's Incubator, Belbe's Portal, Door of Destinies (again good for longer games), Vessel of Endless Rest (5 colour source and also you can put a Nicol Bolas or Tyrant back into your library), Crux of Fate.

There are some cards I don't have but they are pretty great. Semblance Anvil, Lurking Predators, Wild Pair, Heartless Summoning, Descendants' Path.

September 12, 2016 5:54 a.m.

Rhadamanthus says... #24

Some of the cards you mention (Dromoka, the Eternal, Oros, the Avenger, a couple others) are things I've tried before that either weren't exciting enough or didn't turn out to be as powerful as they looked, but I really like some of your other suggestions. Quicksilver Dragon and Frontier Siege especially will be very good additions to this deck. I don't get to play Magic as often as I used to so it might be a while before the next time I sit down with this deck and mess with it, but when I do I'll definitely have your suggestions in mind. Thanks for the comment!

September 12, 2016 9:42 a.m.

Why not try adding Vial Smasher the Fierce? When you cast your huge, expensive dragons, why not hit them with a vial of dragon fire as well?

December 22, 2016 5:39 p.m.

Rhadamanthus says... #26

Yeah, that's a worthwhile thought. I still need a few more early-game things to do and setting up with Vial Smasher seems like a good idea.

December 23, 2016 11:43 a.m.

Also, what about Descent of Dragons? Kill all of the enemy's creatures, they're all dragons, play Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund and then attack!(also, just subscribed! Amazing content!)

December 26, 2016 11:40 a.m.

Rhadamanthus says... #28

That's a cool interaction, but except for that specific combo, Descent of the Dragons either does nothing or makes things worse for me. I think I'll leave it out for now.

December 26, 2016 7:35 p.m.

I recommend Reito Lantern or Wheel of Sun and Moon over Gurzigost. While Wheel is a non-bo with graveyard shenanigans it creates the yo-yo effect for all dragons that some scion decks impart with Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre+Conspiracy. Likely Wheel will get blown up and you can switch back to a graveyard strategy, if not, well it allows rapid recurring of your point and click fire breathers.

January 3, 2017 7:33 p.m.

I would also cut Vial Smasher and Scourge of Kher Ridges for Moltensteel Dragonand Dragonlord Dromoka. It's a lethal one-two punch at full/near full life: 1). Activate Scion twice; let the first activation resolve, hold priority and grab Moltensteel paying Up to 32 life and or some extra red mana boosting Scion to 21 power. 2). Let the Second activation resolve, grab Dromoka. Bam, potential lethal damage with lifelink to regain what you paid even if Scion is blocked.

January 3, 2017 7:44 p.m.

I noticed someone mentioning Moltensteel+Skithyrix not working. Note to my Moltensteel+Dromoka example: It requires 2 Activations simultaneously. And I see I worded my example slightly wrong in that it would be the second activation that would resolve first to grab Moltensteel.

January 3, 2017 8:01 p.m.

Oops I didn't notice Dromoka was already in your list. Still in all ties I've played Scion or seen him played Scourge of Kher Ridges has underperformed. The only place I've actually seen it work is a member of my playgroup's Xenagos, God of Revels deck. It's such a mana intensive card.

January 3, 2017 8:21 p.m.

Rhadamanthus says... #33

I understand how the various Moltensteel Dragon + (something) combos work. I'm the one who explained it earlier to the people who didn't think they worked. ;)

January 4, 2017 12:58 p.m.

:O Oh, I am very sorry about the spam then! I stand by the recommendation of Wheel of Sun and Moon

January 5, 2017 10:40 a.m.

What about Burgeoning? That card allows very fast mana ramp in multi player games

January 8, 2017 2:59 p.m.

Rhadamanthus says... #36

I'll think about it. Even though it's almost blank past turn 1, the power it represents on turn 1 might make up for that.

January 8, 2017 8:10 p.m.

slade178 says... #37

try primal rage,makes damage effects way easier to get off

January 9, 2017 10:34 p.m.

Crivaro says... #38

I really like this one! =) If you aren't too dependent on Indestructability of Darksteel Ingot, I'd play Cultivator's Caravan instead just because you can turn it into a creature if you need to. =)

January 10, 2017 4:16 a.m.

Crivaro says... #39

Also, what do you think about Dragonspeaker Shaman and Zirilan of the Claw (with a sac outlet)?

January 10, 2017 4:19 a.m.

Rhadamanthus says... #40

I like the Caravan very much in and of itself, but I don't think it would work out in this particular deck. Pretty much every creature who could drive it is already better than a 5/5 on the ground.

Yes, the Shaman could be good (I really need a solid replacement for Crucible of Fire), and Zirilan would be interesting as well. I'm not too concerned with coming up with a sac outlet to prevent the exile. I think the way he can pretend to be an extra Scion in combat would be helpful enough.

January 10, 2017 2:17 p.m.

Wait, once scion of the ur dragon becomes a copy of a dragon, it loses the ability to change dragons. Then that means you can't tutor up Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon in response to the Moltensteel Dragon ability.

January 13, 2017 12:26 p.m.

Rhadamanthus says... #42

This was explained earlier. You activate Scion's ability a second time in response to the first activation (i.e. before the first activation actually starts resolving).

January 14, 2017 12:04 a.m.

JohnBeaman says... #43

Check out mine [Clone Wars Rise of the Ur-Dragon]

January 26, 2017 5:54 p.m.

AggroAbuser says... #44

Did not read all the comments so I may or may not be repeating people. When you change scion, you change his name too. So when you change it into Dragon Tyrant of whatever it wont do commander damage. but, this allows you to make copies of x creature and totally do some crazy shit. personally I would make some more changes but hey to each their own.

January 30, 2017 12:10 p.m.

AggroAbuser says... #45

A solid replacement for crucible of fire is dragon tempest. that card with utvara, feldon, scourge of valkas... is KING

January 30, 2017 12:12 p.m.

Rhadamanthus says... #46

The "Commander-ness" of a card doesn't have anything to do with its name. Once a card is chosen as the Commander for a deck, it's always a Commander, no matter what else happens in the game.

903.3. Each deck has a legendary creature card designated as its commander. This designation is not a characteristic of the object represented by the card; rather, it is an attribute of the card itself. The card retains this designation even when it changes zones.

January 30, 2017 1:27 p.m.

Hey, what about Planar Bridge as it just allows tour to grab dragons ALL DAY

February 13, 2017 5:46 p.m.

scheerlc8520 says... #48

I noticed that you don't run with Moltensteel Dragon and it is in your side board. I used to run Scion but I got bored and molten steel can be absolutely devastating. Just an exampleLet's say you attack with scion and he's flying so your opponent couldn't block. Before damage is assigned use scion's ability and turn him into moltensteel dragon. Use molten's ability by paying 12 life to get +6/+0 until end of turn. Then once more use scion's ability and have it become skithiryx and even though it transformed you still have the counters and now you just hit them for 10 infect

April 12, 2017 7:50 a.m.

scheerlc8520 says... #49

DRAGONLORDkolghan2 planar bridge is nice and all but it actually counter acts the deck. You get dragon synergy but once they are on the field scion can't transform into them as needed

April 12, 2017 7:52 a.m.

Rhadamanthus says... #50

Yes, I'm aware of the Moltensteel-Skithyrix interaction. I've even had to explain it multiple times in the comments here to people who didn't understand how it works. ;)

The main reason I don't play Moltensteel Dragon is because I think it's too cheesy, but maybe I should have it in here just in case. I haven't played Commander in several months, and it's been even longer since I last shuffled up this deck, so I haven't put much thought into it recently.

April 12, 2017 12:43 p.m.

Ghozte_U_ says... #51

Hey ever think of maybe running Door of Destinies or Coat of arms?

April 18, 2017 7:21 a.m.

Rhadamanthus says... #52

No, they don't really do anything. Dragons are big enough that they don't need help from anthem effects. To be honest, I don't even like Crucible of Fire in here. The only reason it's still on this list is because I haven't sat down and thought about the deck in a very long time.

April 18, 2017 9:49 a.m.

Thedude636 says... #53

Ever consider Xenagos, God of Revels? If you get him out before Scion, he gives haste and pumps Scion into OHKO range with double strike.

April 20, 2017 1:36 p.m.

wavesport001 says... #54

I run Xenagos, God of Revels along with Berserk as a way to one hit kill players with Dragon Tyrant or Atarka, World Render

April 20, 2017 2:25 p.m.

Takis says... #55

Crux of Fate?

May 27, 2017 10:41 a.m.

Rhadamanthus says... #56

Yes, I should. I haven't played Commander in months and I really need to take a look through all of my decklists again.

May 27, 2017 2:16 p.m.

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