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Scion of the Ur-Dragon
Legendary Creature — Dragon Avatar
: Search your library for a Dragon permanent card and put it into your graveyard. If you do, Scion of the Ur-Dragon becomes a copy of that card until end of turn. Then shuffle your library.
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Scion of the Ur-Dragon Discussion
5 hours ago
Someone told me that when I go to activate an ability of a creature, such as Scion of the Ur-Dragon, I am allowed to activate it multiple times in a row and "hold priority".
Is that even a thing?
I thought once anything goes on the stack at all, priority automatically switches to the inactive player?
So if I pay to turn him into a copy of another Dragon, even if I intend to put multiple ability costs on the stack, my opponent(s) have a chance to respond to each individually as they see fit?
Likewise, if I pay for Shaman of the Great Hunt, and I intend to draw a lot of cards this turn, I can pay it a total of two times (8 mana), but they get a chance to respond between each payment of said ability?
So what is this "holding priority", and is that even a legal move to make?
5 hours ago
Some card recommendations: Lathliss, Dragon Queen, Dragon's Hoard, Balefire Dragon, Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund, Sylvia Brightspear, Scourge of the Throne, Vanquisher's Banner, or Scion of the Ur-Dragon. They are good for dragon or tribal focused decks like yours. Some are kinda expensive though.
5 days ago
Well, JohnnyCRO, though you say that some cards are crap in each other's meta, I think you are a little off. Some cards from CEDH may not be as useful, or rarely useful at all in a non-CEDH meta, for example, Spell Pierce in a Hermit Druid deck, where all of your opponents are only playing their Steel Leaf Champions and Cultivates, perhaps having no interaction one game, where you'd rather a Ponder, but that doesn't mean that the card is crap. Generally speaking, the Hermit Druid player finds a tutor, goes off, wins, and has that extra Spell Pierce buffer protecting it. Even if it isn't entirely as useful, countering a Cultivate that'd put off an opponent from Iona, Shield of Emeria in some circumstances, or lead them to kill you with a horde of elves given a bad hand on your part.
Really, I find that though many cards are crap from normal EDH to CEDH, the opposite is lesser true.
Also, your point on that tier 5 is too janky to win in cEDH is false, it doesn't have a 25% winrate (average in 4-player given each player is playing at maximum level, knows their opponents decks, and aren't janking out wins) against Tier 1, but 20% winrate isn't awful.
I have found all tiers to house commanders that can helm exceptionally powerful decks, and though you may as a Karona, False God player why don't they run Scion of the Ur-Dragon and up their decks performance by a decent margin, having part of the Worldgorger Dragon combo in the zone, their winrates are about the same, despite being 3.5 tiers apart. I'd estimate the decks average winrates to only be a good 2% different against Tier 1 lists, with the main difference being that the dragon has more win-combos, and Karona replacing some of the dragons with more tutors and consistency with the druid line.
5 days ago
@cdkime I'm not a fan of Graf Harvest, I get why it's good I just don't like it it's value in the deck is lackluster especially when I can give most of my creatures swampwalk.
Victimize is good... I'll probably add that I just have to find room, and my creature count is running low at this point.
Unbreathing Horde... That makes me moist... jk. Really though that card looks dope I will be adding that for sure.
As far as that bonkers combo, not in this deck. Quad black is a lot to ask in a 3 color deck but... That combo 1000% will go in my wife's demon deck!
@TearsInRain23 So I put Carion Feeder in, and cut M19 Lili for Death's Majesty. M19 Lili just didn't do what I wanted it to the last few times I've played it. Last Hope actually over preformed for me so I'm going to keep her. Razaketh is also just too powerful and is in a few of my other decks... My play group hates it... I tutor up a turn 3/4 win in my Teysa, Orzhov Scion Shadowborn Apostle deck.
1 week ago
For just free-casting, I would recommend either going full graveyard for the best reanimation spells like Dread Return, or a ton of ramp with a few free-cast cards, namely Omniscience and Show and Tell. Those two cards can just win you the game if you have them in your hand together along with protection. Other free-casters include Elvish Piper, Dragonstorm, and Tooth and Nail.
1 week ago
if you're trying to do dragon tribal, its really best to use Scion of the Ur-Dragon as your commander, using reanimation spells to bring back the dragons you tutored to the grave. i'm not sure what you mean when you say "im trying to grow my boardstate every turn, not rebuild it from scratch". rebuilding a boardstate IS growing it. and technically you're only "re" building the boardstate if it gets destroyed at some point. and that sorta thing is typically decided by what your opponent uses. Patriarch's Bidding is especially brutal in any tribal deck that can load up the grave, like how Scion of the Ur-Dragon does.
1 week ago
You get to bin a creature and make it a copy of that, then there's a round of priority where players can react, then you get to bin another creature and make it a copy of that, it will mo longer be copying the first creature just like it's no longer a Scion of the Ur-Dragon. A common strategy is not to use bracers at all but simply activate twice. Bin Moltensteel Dragon, spend 12 life firebreathing for +6/+0, then bin Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon for a 10/4, which can be done after no blocks are declared.
1 week ago
Would Scion's P/T be 6/4 because that's the largest value between the other two dragons, or would it be whichever resolved last?
What I mean is, obviously I must put them on the stack. So if I do Blight Dragon first and Atarka second, the first to resolve is Atarka making him a 6/4. Than Blight resolves.
Does he go down to being a 4/4, or would he retain the higher of the two Powers?
Obviously I'll just do Atarka first and Blight second, so Atarka resolves last but I wanted to clarify in the event I get asked about it later.
Because swinging for 12 poison is really going to upset some people, lol.