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Teneb, the Harvester
Legendary Creature — Dragon
Whenever Teneb, the Harvester deals combat damage to a player, you may pay . If you do, put target creature card in a graveyard into play under your control.
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Teneb, the Harvester Discussion
1 week ago
I've been very distracted about my newfound responsibilities here I'm just going to go up the list a little:
Anyway, I'm keeping his list because I like his primer and how Approach of the Second Sun streamlines the deck's win condition and his explanation of how it's used.
merrowMania, Ohthenoises, Lilbrudder, & chaosumbreon87: Moved Circu, Dimir Lobotomist to T3 and added chaosumbreon87's deck in the description. His synergy with Dramatic Scepter is pretty clear cut, and chaosumbreon87's list looks good enough to have up for now. (Although, I recommend shifting the mana base more toward blue, my playtests were giving me too many swamps I didn't need with the even split you have right now. Also Time Spiral?)
Ohthenoises, I don't think Ramunap is going to effect Titania that much since Crucible was never really a plan A for the deck, but it's definitely going to be a good addition.
Also, I'm pretty sure that I'm the only one who's posted a Titania list here, so I'll probably figure out where Ramuna goes and put that up soon. (I've also discovered some interesting combo potential with her and Drownyard Temple recently, which could be cool.)
Scyxx, The Commander 2017 legends have not been added to the site yet because they were leaks. When they're added they'll go on here. EVERYBODY ELSE: Remind me what placement was agreed on for them. I was thinking:
- Wasitora - T3
- O-Kagachi - T3
- Ur-Dragon - T4
- Ramos - T2.5 (? - There was a lot of discussion on him, did anyone come up with anything solid?)
- Taigam - T2.5 (We need to come up with something here too.)
Ohthenoises: Phenax has actually been a pet project of mine for a while now. I'm convinced that he could make an excellent combo deck that uses self-mill & the yard to see pieces more consistently. Haven't really got it off the ground though. As to your question, most Phenax decks run Undead Alchemist and Altar of the Brood already since they combo with other cards.
Hi Brewstorm! I really like your Arcanis list. It's seems straightforward and powerful. I've added it to the description since TheDevicer seems to have taken his list private or deleted it. (No offense meant TheDevicer! Unfortunately, I never got a chance to view your Arcanis deck, so right now I don't have anything to compare to. If you feel your deck still deserves a shot, then you can feel free to resubmit.)
HezTheGod, Though I think your deck looks just like every other Izzet storm deck ever, it's easy to see how Mindmoil in the command zone is helpful in the archetype. Moved Arjun to T3, added your deck to the description.
ajacobik, There's been a lot of talk about Erebos in cEDH lately. I know there's a good deck up on Reddit. I gotta say, having played against a friend's Erebos deck extensively, I'm little skeptical, but I'm aware he's gaining popularity and he might move up.
SIDBJJ, That list looks very good. I'll throw it up on List of Partner Pairs by Tier. I do think you have room to keep improving though, n0bunga was giving good advice about colored mana combos, Grand Architect and Pili-Pala are a creature and an artifact creature, which gives you much better reception to blue/green's tutor profile. Also, I'm not too sold on Tooth and Nail into Deadeye even with Kydele's ramp, that combo tends to be outmoded nowadays in cEDH. You're definitely off to a great start though, so keep at it. I don't think too many other people are brewing Thrasios/Kydele right now.
chaosumbreon87, Added your Kefnet list. The others didn't really stand out to me (or are too soon to call like Ramos and Taigam). Left you some comments on the other ones.
So long as there are no objections I'm going to make some changes that I've been harping on since forever:
- Sachi, Daughter of Seshiro moved up to T3. This deck I made as evidence: Optimized Sachi, Daughter of Seshiro
- Depala, Pilot Exemplar, Gonti, Lord of Luxury, and Kemba, Kha Regent all bumped down to T4.
I'd also like peoples opinions on whether the following commanders that were demoted to T3 before the advent of .5 tiers should be given the opportunity to move to T2.5:
- Omnath, Locus of Mana
- Titania, Protector of Argoth
- Freyalise, Llanowar's Fury
- Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
- Teneb, the Harvester
- Kaalia of the Vast
Another thing I'd like people's opinions on: promoting Savra, Queen of the Golgari to T3. After playtesting this deck: Hapatra Vizier of Apostles, by HarroHunter I was pleasantly surprised to see how fast and efficient Thrumming Stone+Shadowborn Apostle could be in EDH, especially with one or two other G/B combos to back it up. As I told HarroHunter, I didn't think the deck had enough to do with Hapetra to be representative of her, but I do think the list itself has merit, and it seemed to me like the most logical G/B commander to run it would be Savra, as she'd give you scaleable creature sweep with the Apostles. What does everybody think? With this list in mind, could Savra move up?
Last thing that's been brought up is the possibility of a name change to make the title of this list more coherent. Would anyone be bothered if I changed this list's name from "[List - Multiplayer] EDH Generals by Tier" to "List of All Commanders in Multiplayer by Tier" ?
This is only about half of what I planned on addressing, but Imma take a break now since this comment is really long and I'm losing my mind.
1 week ago
Jpegwun, to answer your question as to why to run Karador, Ghost Chieftan as the general, Karador offers powerful, straightforward recursion from the graveyard that other generals, Anafenza, the Foremost included, cannot match. This list is built for the highest tier of competitive play and most of the time, is a fast combo deck, which is why cobblepott mentioned that Karador rarely gets cast. When the Boonweaver Giant combo route to win the game is not available, this deck has a backup plan using hatebears to slow the game down and interfere with opponents. This backup plan is reinforced by the recursion Karador offers because you can cast creatures that your opponents or you personally have sent to the graveyard. Another benefit of Karador over other recursion oriented generals like Teneb, the Harvester is that Karador comes with no conditions to access your graveyard such as dealing combat damage to a player.
Another thing to note, Karador's built-in cost reduction can make him cost only BGW after multiple casts from the command zone given you have enough creatures in your graveyard. Lastly, and this is a narrow but still powerful interaction, at 8 mana, you can sacrifice Karador to effects like Birthing Pod and Eldritch Evolution to fetch top-end creatures (like Boonweaver) out of your deck and into play to win games.
2 weeks ago
Nath of the Gilt-Leaf seems more efficient at putting creatures on the battlefield. He's also not a scary, flying 6/6 beatstick and is less likely to get removed on sight.
2 weeks ago
Hello, everybody! I want to start my experience in commander with one between Nath of the Gilt-Leaf and Teneb, the Harvester. What i'm asking you is which is the best in a vacuum for this format and, most important, which is the best for a beginner.
1 month ago
Wedge/Shard additions based on our discussion yesterday:
- Sphinx of the Steel Wind
- Teneb, the Harvester
- Queen Marchesa
- Narset, Enlightened Master
- Surrak Dragonclaw
- Blade of the Bloodchief
- Mycosynth Wellspring (too narrow I think)
- Ichor Wellspring (same)
- Trading Post (you said you didnt like it. Im fine to cut it.
- Brago, King Eternal
- Swans of Bryn Argoll
- Thistledown Liege
- Fires of Yavimaya
- Blood Baron of Vizkopa
- Treasury Thrull
- Bounty of the Luxa
- Shattergang Brothers
- Ghave, Guru of Spores
- Derevi, Empyrial Tactician
- Sharuum the Hegemon
- Wall of Omens
- Wall of Essence
- Aerie Mystics
- Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
- Planar Cleansing (maybe Austere Command instead)
- Citadel Siege (doesnt support any particular archetype, not good enough for good stuff)
- Fog Bank
- Guard Gomazoa
- Wall of Frost
- Bastion Inventor (doesnt do enough I dont think, but we can re-evaluate if we take this more in the affinity direction)
- War Tax
- March of the Machines (it doesnt seem like this is what the artefact deck wants to do for now!)
- Courier's Capsule (to me this is just a worse version of Etherium Astrolabe)
- Scepter of Fugue (doesnt really do anything
- Rhonas the Indomitable (Nylea is just better for this archetype I think)
Note: Nothing has been cut yet. Do you agree with them? If not, please let me know which :)
2 months ago
Lets not go that far... She's still a 4 drop that can blow up all lands and pull dragons out of your hand afterward.
The better question is why she's not T2.5. We dropped her to T3 because she was at the low end of T2 and ".5 tier were never going to happen," but then we made T1.5 and T2.5 and never bumped her back up. I think it's pretty fair to say that Kaalia is about the same level of competitive as Anafenza, Bruna, and Queen Marchesa, for instance.
There's actually quite a bit that could be corrected about the lower tiers right now:
Kemba, Kha Regent could probably be dropped to T4
3 months ago
If Nicol Bolas has first strike (or double strike) that number skyrockets to 'one.' The regular combat damage of Teneb, the Harvester will be able to target cards discarded by the first strike damage. Also, the target of Teneb's ability is chosen when it's put on the stack (which is why it can't target things discarded by Nicol Bolas), but the payment isn't made until it resolves, so if the creature leaves the graveyard the ability is countered and you don't pay for things you don't reanimate.
3 months ago
I attack with both Nicol Bolas and Teneb, the Harvester, and I give Teneb double strike with Psychotic Fury.Both creatures hit my opponent and they discard 3 creatures. How many of the discarded creatures can I put into play using Teneb?