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Liliana, Death's Majesty
Planeswalker — Liliana
+1: Create a 2/2 black Zombie creature token. Mill two cards. (Put the top two cards of your library into your graveyard.)
-3: Return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield. That creature is a black Zombie in addition to its other colours and types.
-7: Destroy all non-Zombie creatures.
multimedia on
The Ooze makes it sticky
9 months ago
This new direction for you to consider improves big creature reanimation, threats shouldn't be a problem if you play smarter. Gameplay will be much different with less creatures, relying more on noncreature spells since they will be replacing creatures. In my opinion a good rule for casual Commander deck building is to have at least 10 sources of draw and ramp. Find deck room for lots of these effects as they're the two most important type of effects for smoother gameplay. Cards that both draw and ramp are helpful Collector's Vault.
More card draw Diresight can help to play smarter since you can better sculpt your hand because you see more cards. Draw spells in the early game Night's Whisper can also help to get more than 7 cards in your hand to then have free discard of creature(s) at your Cleanup step until you have 7 cards in hand. Low mana cost (0-3 CMC) ramp Sol Ring is important because you don't want to have to rely only on your one land drop on your turn as the only source of having mana. With less creatures you don't want mana dorks as ramp only noncreature cards Arcane Signet. Some lands since 40 lands is a lot, could be cut for lower mana cost ramp Utopia Sprawl.
Having your graveyard exiled is a fear/concern for all players who play reanimation thus with Stickfingers don't dump all your creatures at one time into your graveyard. Instead Stickfingers for 2 putting 2 threats into your grave and try to reanimate a creature the same turn you put creature into your graveyard. Paying less mana for Stickfingers leaves mana leftover to reanimate that same turn. This makes more 1 or 2 drop reanimation spells important to play Life / Death, Persist and more any card recursion Regrowth to get reanimation spell back to cast again.
There's cards you can play that help against graveyard exile, but ultimately you can't stop it from happening therefore the best defense is to play smarter. Instant reanimation Makeshift Mannequin, reanimate in response to the exile. Play more lower mana cost removal that can remove artifact, enchantment or creature graveyard hate Assassin's Trophy. In response to graveyard exile you can instant put creatures back into your library Turn the Earth or Repopulate.
Having less creatures and you're worried about not having enough blockers play additonal big creatures like Massacre Wurm. Play more creature board wipes Crux of Fate and Terror Tide. Reanimate big creatures who create token creatures Avenger of Zendikar to then use the tokens as blockers or sac fodder Grave Titan. Planeswalkers that can repeatably create creature tokens Grist, the Hunger Tide are nice. Grist can be reanimated by creature reanimation because when it's in your graveyard it's a creature. It's also a creature in your library therefore if revealed, Stickfingers puts it into your graveyard.
Having more creature token producers Liliana, Death's Majesty makes Altar of Bhaal viable repeatable reanimation since you can exile a creature token to reanimate. Liliana can also be a source of repeatable mana free reanimation. Altar's repeatable reanimation is really powerful when you have token fodder to exile. Grave Titan, Hornet Queen, Avenger of Zendikar are excellent with Altar. Having creature tokens also is defense against most opponent edict effects.
Caerwyn on The more I think about …
1 year ago
TypicalTimmy - I take three issues with your analysis.
For starters, I think saying Amonkhet started in the “broken remains of a destroyed world” is a bit hyperbolic. Amonkhet, in the first set, was in a world with issues - but it was hardly a “broken” one. The city was thriving, with an advanced, sophisticated culture. Everything about Amonkhet (the set) oozed with life. Look at Liliana, Death's Majesty, for example - though Liliana is shrouded in her typical dark colors, the elements from the plane (the mummies, the chair, the background) are in bright tones of yellow, gold, and blue, something uncharacteristic for Liliana cards.
This was one of the advantages to doing the story in two sets - they did not just give us a desolate world and rush to completion. They gave us a living, vibrant world, enough time to find it fascinating - then turned it on its head and made all its positive, hopeful factors into the very tools of its destruction.
Second, our culture absolutely can handle stories ending in loss and failure - dozens of examples from literature and film spring to mind. But, to choose one which closely resembles Amonkhet’s trajectory - Empire Strikes Back is almost universally considered the best or second best Star Wars movie. That is a film which starts bleak (the opening crawl says that the victory in the prior movie still left the Rebel Alliance on the run, since their base was discovered), gets more bleak when they are crushed on Hoth, and ends with the main characters all soundly defeated. People love it.
Finally, the single biggest complaint I see about Magic’s lore is that there are not more stories like Amonkhet; more stories where there are consequences which actually mean something.
Hour of Devastation is, perhaps, the only story in recent memory where everything did not wrap up in a nice little bow. Every other story tends to end with all the characters right back where they started and the planes devoid of any real lasting impact. Even the most recent Phyrexian invasion lacked consequences - the compleated planeswalkers look like they’ll be basically fine; the planeswalkers who lost their spark will still be able to use omenpaths and show up in whatever sets Wizards wants.
Contrary to your claim that players are not ready or able to handle stories like Hour of Devastation, the near-totality of players I have spoken with about the game’s lore are begging for more stories like it.
DreadKhan on
Merieke Esper Control
1 year ago
I had a longer post but it got lost in the shuffle. Anyways, I like what you're doing here and hope some of these janky ideas will work!
I like Grasp of Fate in a deck like this. If you know who is able to remove it you can make a point of not targeting anything too serious of theirs, in some metas it's not hard to keep this out (lots of decks without Green or White). Stroke of Midnight is another reasonable removal spell with a high level of versatility.
Since you run a lot of wipes and removal I feel like Kothophed, Soul Hoarder is a pretty solid include. As long as he kills what he blocks he'll draw a card each time, any removal that sends stuff to the graveyard is much better, and your wipes can easily feel like Decree of Pain, obviously not great if everyone is on infinite creature combo (in which they don't win that turn as well) but if people have ~10 creatures out you'll get a new hand. Kothophed also draws cards vs things like Fetchlands and Treasure/Clue tokens, I think he's more risky if you don't have a good counter package.
Have you thought about something like Sakashima the Impostor to copy Ioreth? If you have your Commander out she can kill off the entire table except the best thing, which you can keep.
Liliana, Death's Majesty is a nice fit in cards that like the idea of a wipe but might already have several, this Liliana makes tokens and can reanimate stuff in a pinch, but it's the wipe that's extra spicy.
War Tax is a janky card that can be used to protect your planeswalkers, but it can also be used politically, though it suffers a lot of people don't keep their word, the way I like to use it is to make deals with people, they agree either to not send at me (or send less at me), and if they do I don't tax, if they don't I either tax or remove stuff of theirs as punishment. It's really good if the next player is the most aggressive, and the effect is worse if you have 'better' things to do with your resources, but this is a mana sink that people really sleep on.
Jabber on
Liliana, Baby of Chaos
2 years ago
Cards id Consider adding:
Diabolic Tutor should be in the deck
Killing Wave should add this great finisher and liliana text
Command the Dreadhorde Liliana with great artwork and a nice finisher
Mutilate great board wipe with Liliana text
Liliana's Specter goes with the current theme
Oath of Liliana good removal and on theme
Liliana's Scrounger great for all the planeswalkers and removal
Liliana's Scorn bad removal but also works as a tutor
Liliana's Reaver fits into the discard theme
Liliana's Influence tutor and kind of a board wipe
Liliana's Indignation direct damage and fill graveyard
Liliana's Elite weak but gets stronger with graveyard
Liliana's Contract kind of bad draw but on theme
Liliana, Death Wielder old planeswalker but could be fun
Liliana, Death's Majesty token maker and is pretty good
Liliana's Shade Bad but kind of ramp
Entomb great card
Reanimate great card
Gravecrawler great card for combo but idk if it fits here
Settle the Score bad removal but helps with planeswalkers
Triumph of Cruelty on theme with discard
Demonic Tutor Liliana art work and quote
Finale of Eternity finisher and removal
Professor Onyx on theme and decent
Baleful Force bad top end but cool quote
Mind Rot Liliana quate and discard theme
Swap to these lands: https://scryfall.com/card/fjmp/22/liliana
Rivel on
2 years ago
For those interested, here is the list of removed cards, added cards, as well as total current deck stats.
Removed
- 6 Island
- 6 Swamp
- Dreadhorde Invasion
- Liliana, Death's Majesty
- Dispel
- Drown in Dreams
- Negate
- Plumb the Forbidden
- Reality Shift
- Resculpt
- Unwind
- Exsanguinate
- Final Parting
- Ghouls' Night Out
- Charcoal Diamond
- Sky Diamond
- Gleaming Overseer
- Hordewing Skaab
- Undead Alchemist
Added:
- Evolving Wilds
- Exotic Orchard
- Malakir Mire Flip
- Mystic Sanctuary
- Obscura Storefront
- Reflecting Pool
- Secluded Courtyard
- Terramorphic Expanse
- Unclaimed Territory
- Verdant Catacombs
- Vesuva
- Mystic Remora
- An Offer You Can't Refuse
- Blue Sun's Zenith
- Pongify
- Rapid Hybridization
- Read the Bones
- Bident of Thassa
- Dimir Signet
- Fellwar Stone
- Herald's Horn
- Pyre of Heroes
- Thaumatic Compass Flip
- Urza's Incubator
- Champion of the Perished
- Fell Stinger
- Liliana's Standard Bearer
- Murderous Rider
- Shambling Ghast
Misc deck stats: Ramp: 13 Draw: 19 Tutors: 4
77hi77 on Zombie Tribal - Deciding My …
2 years ago
Max_Hammer I do actually have Liliana, Dreadhorde General, she's just in another deck (which would probably benefit more from Liliana of the Dark Realms, it's a whole thing). I think you're right, Varina will involve more milling and would enjoy Liliana, Death's Majesty. I've never considered Liliana, Death Mage, thank you!
You know what, I'm getting a very subtle sense that you don't like Nevvy, but I'm not so sure.
No, I definitely hear you, I think the biggest challenge in building that deck will be to make it fun to play against. The other deck I'm referencing (the one that my Dreadhorde General is currently in), I BEG YOUR F@CKING PARDON??!!! - Razaketh, is so far proving to be a failure at that. I was hoping to make something chaotic that results in a laugh, I ended up building a deck where the wincons involve no interaction with the other players, I just tutor and cast two cards (Fraying Omnipotence and Wound Reflection), and it really doesn't matter what the actual board state looks like. Everyone calls it my bullshit deck, it's not overpowered or tuned in any real way, it just lives in its own world and ends the game way too suddenly to be fun.
So with Nevvy, I like him because he seems to bring that same self-destructive chaos I was hoping to capture (and, down the line, will hope to capture again when I build a Rakdos the Defiler deck), my challenge will be to have that chaos without it feeling like I'm stopping others from playing. It's why I'm exploring a few different commanders, I want to see what leads to the most fun Zombie deck, without it being the exact same Zombie deck that everyone plays/expects to see.
As an aside, I do also have a proliferate deck in mind, but it'd be to pull off shenanigans like Vraska, Scheming Gorgon's -10.
Max_Hammer on Zombie Tribal - Deciding My …
2 years ago
www.ProxyMore.com (Not an actual website)
If you don't like that idea, here's some actual suggestions.
For Grimgrin Liliana, Death's Majesty is just a good all-rounder and makes easy-to-sac tokens.
For Varina, same thing. Easy to swing with and not care too much about and it mills. If not her, then Liliana, Death Mage will work well for both of them.
For Nevvy, don't. Don't do Nevvy, I beg of you. At least infect/proliferate kills me quickly through sedation. Please, no-
DreadKhan on
EDH Merens Reanimator
2 years ago
If you're interested in playing fair, then you might like Mazirek, Kraul Death Priest. This can take a board full of utility creatures and make them very formidable very quickly. Hell's Caretaker is a card I find useful that doesn't go infinite with anything I know of, it just lets you sneak stuff in once per turn. If you don't include anything like Pitiless Plunderer you can set up repeatable sacrifice loops to generate XP for Meren, probably to reanimate a Protean Hulk or someting else juicy. For this you might use Gravecrawler or Haakon, Stromgald Scourge and probably a 1 drop Knight to have something you can keep killing over and over. Any card that cares about creatures dying will go off, so some stuff that draws on death might be nice, Liliana, Dreadhorde General is a versatile card that fits the bill.
In my experience, the best thing you can tutor up is usually Protean Hulk, Sidisi, or Razaketh, any of these tends to spiral out of control in a deck that can reanimate them on the end step or sooner. Hulk can find various creatures to solve whatever problems you have, but you probably need a sac outlet to ensure it dies right away, the others are more generous. Razaketh notoriously likes abusing Life / Death to set up a pretty quick win when you're ready, you can find stuff like rituals to generate enough mana to go off.
If you want another reanimator that isn't picky, there is Demon of Dark Schemes that helps clear the board of weenies, and as long as you don't have cards that generate mana the Demon won't go infinite with something like Mitotic Slime or Underworld Hermit, they'll just give you lots of triggers for your extra mana. Demon also likes Merciless Executioner type creatures, they can easily generate Energy. Another reanimator I often forget reanimates stuff is Liliana, Death's Majesty, this brings back stuff as a Zombie if you don't want the ultimate, and she survives some wipes as a PW that can make 2/2s while milling you. Some people don't like PWs so ymmv.
I suspect that if you're not sure if you need more wipes, you might want to try one or two more. In Black there is Make an Example that is very brutal as you always hit your priority target for each opponent. It won't clear the board, but it can help manage it, and you can follow it up with a bunch of forced sacrifice. One card that likes seeing a wipe happen (that makes running extra feel less problematic) is Ogre Slumlord, if you run enough 'pay life'effects you might want Sangromancer, and if you think you can kill enough of your opponent's permenants then Kothophed, Soul Hoarder might work out, that can turn a Damnation into a big draw spell.
If your deck is finding it hard to stay alive, you can use Dawnstrider to save you on needing to reanimate a Spore Frog, though I use both as I find Meren can be annoying to certain players.
If you like Phyrexian Arena and aren't using 'win on the spot combos', have you considered Protection Racket? This can draw plenty of non-land cards or deal damage to your opponents, both seem good as long as you don't care if you lose some random 1-3 drops. There is also Black Market Connections, this can provide various resources without being as busted/all-or-nothing as Necropotence.
Hope some of this is helpful! Any Commander that requires a lot of tutoring is very frustrating to learn to play, Commander is incredibly hard to master, but it's easy to get better with practice!
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