Backdraft Hellkite

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Legality

Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Penny Dreadful Legal
Vintage Legal

Backdraft Hellkite

Creature — Dragon

Flying

Whenever Backdraft Hellkite attacks, each instant and sorcery card in your graveyard gains flashback until end of turn. The flashback cost is equal to its mana cost.

legendofa on Ur Dragon wubrg army

2 months ago

I think this deck simply needs more mana, not just better mana. The average mana cost for this deck is well over 4.5, and 32 lands plus the Dragon Monuments won't be enough to support it. This deck wants at least 37-38 lands, if not more, and a bigger suite of ramp spells like Rampant Growth, Kodama's Reach, and Farseek will help speed you up as well. Five-color mana bases are hard to do on a budget; it's very easy to end up with the "fast/cheap/reliable: pick two" problem. If you add more ramp spells and Forests, that can go a long way toward smoothing your turn 4-5 mana base.

Try cutting some of the higher-end Dragons at 5+ mana. Go through each one, ask "Does this directly contribute to helping my deck win?" (or "Is this one of the coolest Dragons I have available?", if you're going for personal appeal), and take out anything that doesn't meet that standard of helping you win or personally appealing to you. And by "helping you win," it should do more than "be a Dragon." In the course of a typical game, would you expect it to help?

For a few specific examples:

How often does Intet, the Dreamer actually provide card advantage? If she effectively draws you multiple useful cards each game, she's worth keeping. If she regularly sits in your hand or graveyard waiting for "the right moment," cut her.

With only 25 combined instants and sorceries, how much weight does Backdraft Hellkite pull? How often does that ability get used productively?

Broodmate Dragon doesn't have any special interaction with Scion of the Ur-Dragon. Do you regularly get more than one token off Broodmate? If not, it's not the most efficient choice.

So those are my thoughts--clear out some Dragons that are underperforming and replace them with lands and ramp spells. And above all, have fun!

dragonstryke58 on Wulfgar of Icewind Dale & …

7 months ago

You can only use flashback once. Wulfgar of Icewind Dale would double the triggers for Backdraft Hellkite, but multiple instances of flashback do not allow you to flashback twice.

Flashback represents two static abilities:

  • Flashback [cost]” means “You may cast this card from your graveyard if the resulting spell is an instant or sorcery spell by paying [cost] rather than paying its mana cost
  • If the flashback cost was paid, exile this card instead of putting it anywhere else any time it would leave the stack.

Notably, the second ability is a replacement effect. This ability replaces the destination of the card as it leaves the stack. So instead of the graveyard, the card goes straight into exile. Since the card is no longer in the graveyard, it cannot be flashed back a second time.

Comprehensive Rules:

702.34a Flashback appears on some instants and sorceries. It represents two static abilities: one that functions while the card is in a player’s graveyard and another that functions while the card is on the stack. “Flashback [cost]” means “You may cast this card from your graveyard if the resulting spell is an instant or sorcery spell by paying [cost] rather than paying its mana cost” and “If the flashback cost was paid, exile this card instead of putting it anywhere else any time it would leave the stack.” Casting a spell using its flashback ability follows the rules for paying alternative costs in rules 601.2b and 601.2f–h.

Irish_Bastard907 on Wulfgar of Icewind Dale & …

7 months ago

I'm confused about how the stack works, if it would work at all. So I attack with Backdraft Hellkite and Wulfgar of Icewind Dale activates the dragon's ability twice but can cast the same spell twice before flashback exiles the spell? Or is the spell simply exiled and impossible to cast with flashback a 2nd time.

Blue223201 on dragon tribal is glorious

9 months ago

ok, thanks. for the help some of the cards you mentioned in my deck like Blackblade Reforged. but one card like Backdraft Hellkite it helps me get some more instance if i need any. My pet card is Ramos, Dragon Engine.

so here is how my deck works i get Tiamat out right look for 5 dragon cards the cards i look for are Ramos, Dragon Engine, Niv-Mizzet Reborn, Terror of the Peaks, Dragonlord Silumgar, and Atarka, World Render. Then put Terror of the Peaks first then atarke, then ramos then niv-mizzet. then the dragon lord. then just obliterate my opponent because they have no chance if i get all of them out and survive when tiamat comes out so yea.

and really quick what is you opinion about blink cards if you think that might help, what kind of blink cards would you prefer? speaking of cards-sorry for the long message- what is your opinion about Crosis, the Purger, Dragonlord Dromoka, and Darigaaz Reincarnated?

and what are some more instant or Sorcery spells i should put in?

LunchBox1211 on dragon tribal is glorious

9 months ago

I would like to say, before I say anything else, that the first few decks people build often have a bunch that could be fixed, so if it seems like I wrote an essay, I'm not trying to be overly critical. My first deck was a mono-white Angel Tribal Lifegain deck that had no real payoff for gaining life. Needless to say, it had a lot that could have been done, and my next deck was one of the Commander Pre-Cons from C18. I'd also like to say that these are just observations.

For cuts, I can see a few. Several of the planeswalkers seem only sort-of related, so you could get away with dropping some of them (like Gideon Blackblade and Ajani Steadfast). I'm not sure why Blackblade Reforged is in. It is great for go tall decks, where you want 1 really big creature (usually made big using equipments and/or auras), but in a go wide deck like this one, I'm not sure if you need it. Plus, dragons are fairly big on their own. | Chaplain's Blessing. I know gaining 5 life might seem good, but I've come to realize that gaining a bunch of life isn't very good without something like Aetherflux Reservoir. And at that point, I think a better option is to build around Aetherflux Reservoir, not dragons. | Not entirely sure what Bag of Holding is doing. | There are a few dragons that don't seem to be doing much, with the way your deck currently is. There doesn't seem to be a lot of instants/sorceries for Backdraft Hellkite get back. There aren't a lot of +1/+1 counter synergies, so Enduring Scalelord isn't doing a ton. There aren't a lot of artifacts, so Hellkite Igniter isn't getting the absurd amount of damage output that I've done with it, myself. It does have haste, but a 5/5 hasty flyer for 7 isn't super great. Unless you can give it deathtouch, most things in commander aren't bothered by Shockmaw Dragon's combat damage trigger. There aren't a lot of 2-colour spells for Niv-Mizzet Reborn to see off the top. | Dictate of Erebos can be brutal, but usually in aristocrat-style decks, where you want your own things to die.

Some other things I've noticed: Crux of Fate is a cheaper Descent of the Dragons that is also one sided. | About the Sarkhan question, I've always thought that Sarkhan the Masterless is kind of funny, and he can act as a deterrent for attacks (or a magnet, depending on board state). | 5 mana counterspells seems nice, but often end up being rather underwhelming, more often than not. | Fight effects (like Clash of Titans) are nice, but in a 5-colour deck, you also have cards like Path to Exile, Bedevil, Anguished Unmaking, Generous Gift, or Chaos Warp, that don't need you to have a big creature, and don't need you to put that creature at risk. | I feel like you could use a bit more ramp. I'd recommend a few of the guild signets from Ravnica, Arcane Signet and Farseek. | The Ur-Dragon was the out-of-the-box Commander for a 5-colour dragon tribal commander deck from C17. Usually he is the head of a dragon tribal deck, but he's still powerful in the 99.

All of this is just my opinion, with my own biases, and I'm still learning a fair bit myself, so take it with a grain of salt. Playtest it, see what works and what doesn't. See what you like, and what you don't. I will admit that I prefer more aggressive play as opposed to a slower, more control heavy style, so that may influence my choices, and I've also been (partially) traumatized by a few planeswalker decks before, so I don't really like them that much (although I do like the concept and design of them).

Lastly, I don't know if you have any pet cards or any cards that you are running because you like them (even if it may be not as good), so if a personal favorite is listed among the cuts, feel free to ignore that. Magic IS about having fun, at the end of the day. And, yes, Dragon Tribal is glorious!

achi11es on Neheb the Eternal

1 year ago

Looks like you need to make a few cuts. Id recommend the second Backdraft Hellkite as a good place to start.

Kurppa on Niv-Mizzet, Wheel of Pings

1 year ago

Awesome deck! I really like spellslinger decks, and playing this seems really fun.

However, considering how many instants and sorceries you have and the wheel theme, i'm surprised you don't have any graveyard recursion or synergy.

some cards that you could consider are: Bond of Insight, Call to Mind, Flood of Recollection, Mystic Retrieval, Pull from the Deep, Relearn, Shreds of Sanity, Backdraft Hellkite, Past in Flames, Volcanic Vision and The Mirari Conjecture

some of those exile themselves and since you have so much draw power that might actually be a downside. If i were to cut something for those I would maybe one of those shuffle effects.

here's some cards that cast instants or sorceries from your or other people's graveyards: Finale of Promise, Diluvian Primordial, Mnemonic Deluge, Mizzix's Mastery and Spelltwine.

mnemonic deluge and diluvian primordial are pretty funny, though kinda expensive. Imagine casting a wheel and then "going shopping" for spells, i highly recommend it. though these exile, so if you loop your deck you can't cast the spell you coped again.

if you want to bounce creatures with niv-mizzet, you could consider Arm with AEther or Sigil of Sleep.

some more spellcasting synergy: Firebrand Archer, Saheeli, Sublime Artificer.

i don't know how often you would be able to kill or do something significant with Spiraling Embers, but i thought it would be a fun inclusion.

here's a few cards for copying instants and sorceries:

Bonus Round, Insidious Will, Reverberate, Thousand-Year Storm, Swarm Intelligence and Twincast. twincast, reverberate and insidious will double as interaction, and you could also consider Narset's Reversal

and a few more card draw inclusions: Laquatus's Creativity and Sea Gate Restoration  Flip.

sorry for the wall of text, just got excited about brewing so i wanted to suggest a bunch of cards. I hope that this at least gave you some ideas.

multimedia on Fort Burn

1 year ago

Hey, interesting budget version of Kykar.

Lots of burn here doesn't have enough oomph when each opponent will have 40 or more life. Glacial Ray, Magma Spray, Lightning Helix and other single effect burn spells like this are subpar in multiplayer Commander. Flame Rift doesn't do enough, hitting all players for 4 damage a single time is not worth a card. Even being able to flashback these spells with Backdraft Hellkite isn't good enough because they're only doing damage to one player. Some advice is research Torbran, Thane of Red Fell burn decks and mimic the burn strategy with Kykar?

Impact Tremors and Zo-Zu the Punisher are good, it's the kind of repeatable burn you want in multiplayer Commander. Consider more repeatable burn sources?

Barbs and Earth seem like very good repeatable burn sources with Kykar since have lots of mana rocks (could have more), Spirits can make red mana and playing lots of basic lands. Tremors and Goblin Bombardment want an infinite combo for they're burn that can create infinite tokens with Kykar or Saheeli, Sublime Artificer.

By adding this budget combo you add some more competitiveness to your deck and Guttersnipe is another burn win condition with the combo. You can't do this combo if you control Spellshock. But with Jeskai you have many options that can bounce/tuck/destroy an enchantment before comboing while still keeping it in your control to burn your opponents until you want to combo.


What Kykar provides for a burn strategy is extra damage from attacking with fliers, 1/1 Spirits and Kykar. Animosity can make Spirits more of attacking threats and with a lot of them a win condition. Consider increasing the fort with Obedience and Prison? Obedience can also be a nice source of repeatable life gain with extort since you gain life each time equal to the number of opponents you have.

Consider adding more draw as well as more mana efficient draw to expand on spellslinger?

Tandem Lookout when soulbond to a creature who can do damage to an opponent or all opponents you draw cards. Use this interaction with Guttersnipe since when he does damage you draw a number of cards equal to the number of opponents you have. Zo-Zu the Punisher is also good with Lookout because all players can play lands including yourself to draw. Lookout can change who it's soulbond to which is really helpful to first soulbond with flying Kykar or a Spirit and then change when a creature ETB who can do damage to opponents.


Some cards to consider cutting:

Good luck with your deck.

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