Lier, Disciple of the Drowned
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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Alchemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Brawl Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pioneer Legal
Pre-release Legal
Standard Legal
Vintage Legal

Lier, Disciple of the Drowned

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard

Crow-Umbra on Action Painting Spellslinger

2 months ago

Thank you for your suggestions Jett2112. I think that my deck generally has a pretty tidy CMC curve already. The top-end is currently the 5 spells I have at 5 cmc. I'm not looking to Casualty 2 every time I cast an instant or sorcery, and haven't had too much of an issue popping off a few spells per turn beyond turn 5.

In defense of some of your suggested cuts:

  • Volcanic Torrent - One of the most recent additions to the deck. I've played it in my Prosper, Tome-Bound deck to enjoyable success. I recently added it here as a one-sided board wipe that can be copied, and also gives me the chance to Cascade a couple more spells out. This deck needs as many one-sided wipe options as it can manage, since it will have a weaker board state than most other decks in my play group.

  • Lier, Disciple of the Drowned - Ideally helps cover on the turn I'm going to combo off, but most importantly lets me flashback spells. In a pinch he can be sacrificed to Casualty 2. I've also considered Past in Flames in this spot, but preferred to have the body on board.

  • Storm-Kiln Artist - Shits out treasures when I'm spell slinging and copying spells. On the turns that I'm using Casualty 2 on Anhelo, Storm-Kiln can net me at least 2 treasures. Since his power grows with the number of Artifacts I control, he also is a decent ground-based chump blocker, or body for Casualty 2 if absolutely needed.

  • Archmage Emeritus - Like Storm-Kiln Artist, except can potentially draw multiple cards each turn, especially if I'm copying spells with Casualty 2 or any of the other copy effects in the deck.

  • Leyline of Anticipation - Potential opening hand shenanigans are the best upside here for setting up flash speed fuckery for free. I absolutely want the the capability to play all of my sorcery speed stuff at instant speed (Demonic Tutor, Jeska's Will, Torment of Hailfire, etc etc)

  • Birgi, God of Storytelling  Flip - She nets every time I cast a spell, which can fuel even more spell slinging, especially on turns I want to pop off. At worst she's another body for Casualty 2. She also has the backside everyone forgets about, which can impulse draw as needed.

  • Atsushi, the Blazing Sky - A flying defender the majority of the time, but exactly the type of creature I want to throw into the Casualty 2 grinder. I most often pick the 3 Treasures on death trigger, but also like knowing the impulse draw is an option if needed. If I need to go aggro for any reason he also has Trample to push damage through other Flying creatures.

Your suggested additions:

  • Pulse of the Forge - If anything, I might replace Brimstone Volley for it. Not an addition that I'm dying to make.

  • Rapid Hybridization - I had this in the initial version of the deck, but replaced it with Reality Shift, because I like exile based removal more when I can have it.

  • Reanimate - I like Reanimate, just not necessarily in this deck. If I copy it, I don't want to be losing a lot of life, especially when I tend to have the softest board state compared to others, and will likely get hit the most. It is life loss I don't think this deck can afford much from having played it a few times. I think I opted to include Kolaghan's Command instead for the additional modal options. Yes, Reanimate is better for getting creatures directly to the battlefield as opposed to back to hand.

  • Lightning Bolt - A classic. I don't remember why I omitted it before. It could potentially replace Cabal Ritual, as Ritual has been pretty situational in my games so far.

  • Brainstorm - Something I probably omitted for another counter spell or something. Def something I'll reconsider if I feel I need some more top-deck set up.

  • Dauthi Voidwalker - I do like Voidwalker, and run some copies in my Isshin, Two Heavens as One, Prosper, Tome-Bound, and Burakos, Party Leader/Folk Hero decks respectively. I like Voidwalker a bit more in those decks, since those 3 want to play more aggressively than this one wants to.

  • Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer - Yes, this card is good. The only way I am playing this card is if I proxy it, or if I pull one from a pack. I am not spending $95 on just one card lmfao. I can also already hear my friends' sighs as Ragavan hits the table. Great card, just not particularly my taste.

Jett2112 on Action Painting Spellslinger

2 months ago

Tap less, sling more! Try lowering the curve by taking out Volcanic Torrent and/or Lier, Disciple of the Drowned, Storm-Kiln Artist, Archmage Emeritus, Leyline of Anticipation, Birgi, God of Storytelling  Flip, Atsushi, the Blazing Sky.

Replace them with that card we're trying, Pulse of the Forge and Grixis staple 1 drops like Lightning Bolt, Brainstorm, and Reanimate. Also I recommend finishing your playset of Pongifys by putting in Rapid Hybridization because unless you have something against frog lizards it's just as good.

Have you tried Dauthi Voidwalker or Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer? Those little guys give card advantage and can be used for casualty so they seem even better here than in most decks.

i0nix1 on 1 - Kess, The magician's deck

3 months ago

-Talrand, Sky Summoner >> Lier, Disciple of the Drowned

-Ral, Izzet Viceroy >> Rowan, Scholar of Sparks  Flip

BozoJoker on Mizzix

5 months ago

The Locust God < Lier, Disciple of the Drowned

VexxyPooh on Nicol Bolas and the Elderspell

6 months ago

Is there a reason you run Kess, Dissident Mage over Lier, Disciple of the Drowned?

AlistarFiend on Zevlor, The Spellslinger

6 months ago

Added: Lier, Disciple of the Drowned & Veyran, Voice of Duality. Removed: Kelpie Guide & Toshiro Umezawa.

beastmenwarrior on [Primer] Casting the Mythal

6 months ago

would it be worth replacing Kess, Dissident Mage with Lier, Disciple of the Drowned? Lier shuts off the decks counter spells which isn't great, but gives but also provides counter protection for combo turns and Lier allows you to cast all your cards in your graveyard rather then just one a turn.

Crayfish on Prowess Turbostorm (Temp Version)

7 months ago

Few things to look at:
-Thermo-Alchemist is worth dropping, doesn't actually benefit from Veyran. Consider adding Kessig Flamebreather in its place.
-You have a lot of effects that double spells (Dualcaster Mage, Naru Meha, Master Wizard, Rootha, Mercurial Artist). It is worth considering that copying a spell is not technically casting it so you don't benefit from effects like Guttersnipe off a copied spell.
-Archmage Emeritus. Enough said.
-Lier, Disciple of the Drowned is pretty solid
-You have a lot of expensive/delve spells that might end up being slower or more damaging than expected. Exiling your spells from the yard invalidates cards like Past in Flames and Crackling Drake, which is counterintuitive. Cards like Apex of Power, Clone Legion, and Spelltwine are fun, but better served in a Mizzix of the Izmagnus deck (another card worth considering!)
-Theres a lot of solid enchantments/artifacts that benefit from Veyran. Metallurgic Summonings, Aetherflux Reservoir, Aria of Flame, Sorcerer Class, etc.

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