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Rooftop Storm Discussion
5 days ago
olivebagel thanks so much for giving some feedback!
The reason I like Desecrated Tomb and Debt to the Deathless is because I'f you have a Phyrexian Altar out as well as a Gravecrawler and Rooftop Storm you can make infinite bats to sack and you can kill the table. But maybe you're right, maybe ita not reliable enough.
Thanks again! :)
6 days ago
They are replacement effects that allow you to cast for an alternate cost. This language is used on cards with a static effect, such as As Foretold, Rooftop Storm, etc.
“Without paying its mana cost” is used in different situations, such as part of the resolution of a spell or ability.
1 week ago
Thanks a lot for your input. I was quite busy those last weeks so I couldn't really pay attention to what was happening there, excuse the late answer.
Since I made it up with this first testing version - smthg like 3/4 months ago - the deck has faced several changes...
You are right about the curve; it was just too high, slow and inconsistent for the format. On the beginning, I wanted to stay on a midrange / tribal approach with a creature-heavy decklist that used Varina as an engine to put pressure on the opponent by creating dozens of zombies, adding a loot effect to ensure better late game options, but I must admit that it felt really casual. Some cards like Anointed Procession or Endless Ranks of the Dead that didn't bring on any kind of direct impact on the game when you cast them for such an high-cost proved to act like horribly weak tools against competitive DC lists I had the chance to confront to.
The idea of building up a control archetype revolving around Varina's ability to create an army in the late game you're suggesting seems neat, I may consider some changes in the upcoming week in order to see if it could be more viable than the actual list I'm running (both come quite close to each other, in terms of deckbuilding... the hardest part of it will be to find room for considering more lands).
I completely abandoned the previous statement of the decklist: every creature that didn't immediately synergize with Varina and every slower card have been cut. However, I think this tribal strategy could work nicely in an EDH (not competitive though) pod.
As you can see atm, even if it's still not great, I focused my objectives on a Cycling strategy. Transmute Artifact searches mostly for Fluctuator , but could be used to get any other needed artifact. I also tried Reshape and Fabricate for more consistency, but I felt like I didn't need all those pieces, as they relatively slowed me down when I preferred less specific tutors.
The main issue that's restaining the list is that even if you're able to cycle between 10/20 cards really quick, there's no valuable point at doing so. Varina's ability (token creation) is slow without great mana generators. And I didn't find something anything interesting as a combo/interaction that synergized with the initial idea of looting and that would provide me access to a large amount of mana.
Rooftop Storm is becoming clunky now, but it still got its powerplays. The obvious combo with Gravecrawler , Wayward Servant and Phyrexian Altar (I may reconsider Ashnod's Altar and Plague Belcher to fluidize its potential, if I manage to find them places).
Hollow One and Archfiend of Ifnir impressed me so far. You have less control on the board with this iteration than before, and they help greatly against aggressive decks. If they are too slow or not useful, you can just cycle them away. Archfiend of Ifnir is a bit overcosted though, if I discover cards that oils same kind of synergies at the lowest cost, I could replace it.
I tried the ''Decree Circle'' but none was good enough. Decree of Pain was slow and clunky, bad in most cases. Decree of Justice has nothing to do there, and wasn't worth the few times I was able to cast it. Decree of Silence is obviously the best Decree I can play in those colors. It was a blast against Control / Combo archetypes and a poor card when you face an aggressive / midrange deck. However, I liked its potential with Academy Rector and I want to give more playtest time (I could even consider Solemnity ).
Some cards underperform and are cuttable but I want to test them a bit more as I don't know what to replace them for. In this category >
Rebuild > I like when the cycling cards are playable on their own. This one is poor as we play a lot of artifacts. I never got in a situation where this was helpful. Could be nice with cards like Mycosynth Lattice , but I sincerely doubt about it being a convincing argument.
Vizier of Tumbling Sands > not a bad card on its own, but I got through situations where as good as the other cycling cards.
I certainly forget some factors, I will try to keep editing the list more seriously this weekend.
2 weeks ago
I just found a awesome combo with Rooftop Storm , Aetherflux Reservoir , Diregraf Captain , Havengul Lich , Ashnod's Altar , and any zombie. basically you can play the zombie for free because of Rooftop Storm , then you gain 1 life off of Aetherflux Reservoir , then you sacrifice the zombie to Ashnod's Altar which triggers Diregraf Captain , and then you can use the mana from Ashnod's Altar to activate Havengul Lich to bring back your zombie(which you can cast for free)and you can keep doing that over and over again until you have all the life and have killed all of you opponents with Diregraf Captain
3 weeks ago
Hello Rule and thanks for your time!
Triskelion enters the battlefield with 3 + 1 / + 1 on it with the Mikaeus undying abiliity. Removes a counter to deal damage to an opponent and the other two counters damage the Triskelion itself. Triskelion dies and returns to the battlefield with an extra counter given by undying abiliity. Now do the same process but you can already give two of damage to the opponent and two of damage to the triskelion infinitely.
Rooftop Storm says that you can cast zombies by paying 0 for the cast. the Gravecrawler can be cast from the graveyard, if you have the roftop storm you do not need the pyrexian altar to do this skill, just a zombie on the battlefield. I prefer the pyrexian altar because it gives you mana and sacrifice any time and roftop storm is only there to complete a combo without necessarily needing the mana to do so. And you're right, I need to change the description of the combo because it is misleading!
Thank you for your help!
1 month ago
Thanks for the tips! I've been meaning to pick those up for a while. Gravecrawler goes infinite with Rooftop Storm and Ashnod's Altar , or Phyrexian Altar for colored mana. Add a ping zombie (such as Plague Belcher ) and you win.
I hadn't picked up on Conspiracy , I'll consider it.
Thanks for the suggestions!
Rooftop Storm occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.02%