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Dread Wanderer enters the battlefield tapped.
: Return Dread Wanderer from your graveyard to the battlefield. Activate this ability only any time you could cast a sorcery and only if you have one or fewer cards in hand.
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Dread Wanderer Discussion
17 hours ago
Randsome, Walking Ballista is very good with Winding Constrictor and seems like an auto include in a deck using the snake, but if you don't want to get Ballista's then you could use it's slots for anything really, Negate is even an option. Never / Return or Ruinous Path are fine in it's place, but I don't think you really need any more removal main deck, 4x Fatal Push and 3x Grasp of Darkness is enough. Aethersphere Harvester is good at pressuring Planeswalkers. Saying this I would definitely sideboard 1-2x Never or Path as some Planeswalker removal. I would also sideboard 4x Transgress the Mind which can hit any Planeswalker.
Some possible cards you could use in Ballista's place who go with the theme and with the snake are:
- Longtusk Cub
- Glint-Sleeve Siphoner
- Rogue Refiner
- Bristling Hydra
- Tireless Tracker
- Rhonas the Indomitable
As far as strengths and weaknesses of Sultai and Temur I think it really comes down to which kind of deck you want to play. Even though Sutali has energy I consider it more of a counters deck because the power of Winding Constrictor is in counters not energy. Temur is more of an energy deck that's also using counters, but energy is the main theme. If you like energy play Temur and if you like counters than play Sultai.
Sultai Strengths and Weaknesses:
- Better manabase having access to 7-8x fast lands that can make green mana.
- More powerful curve of Winding Constrictor, Rishkar, Peema Renegade and Verdurous Gearhulk. By itself a curve of Constrictor into Rishkar can be game winning.
- Better sideboard options for Marvel matchups and control matchups. Transgress the Mind and Negate can both stop Marvel. Transgress can hit Torrential Gearhulk.
- Less reliant on energy if keeping Elves.
- Constrictor is a huge target for removal and unfortunately the deck very much relies on him to be alive without him the power level drops a lot.
- Problematic removal options, other than Fatal Push all other removal has double black casting cost. Push is ok, but not great right now in Standard.
- No cheap removal that exiles the creature it kills.
- Not as versatile or as many creature options in black.
- Access to no three mana sweeper that does 3 damage to all creatures. Yahenni's Expertise is as close as it gets.
Temur Strengths and Weaknesses:
- Can still function without losing a key card in other words there's no Constrictor. Less reliant on a nice curve.
- More cards make and use energy. The energy theme is front and center.
- Magma Spray is a very good removal spell right now in Standard.
- Harnessed Lightning is unconditional creature removal that with energy can kill easier than Fatal Push.
- Access to three mana 3 damage to all creatures sweepers.
- Glorybringer adds an additional power level to the top end.
- Worst manabase having to use reveal lands from Shadows Over Innistrad which can be problematic at times.
- Worst sideboard options for Marvel and control matchups. Other than Negate and other counterspells.
- Relies much more on energy to overall function.
In my opinion red is better as the third color for this deck than black right now because of Magma Spray, Harnessed Lightning, Glorybringer and Radiant Flames. These cards do more for the deck than Winding Constrictor, Fatal Push, Grasp of Darkness and Transgress the Mind can. I like the combination of Spray and Harnessed over Push and Grasp because Spray can exile Scrapheap Scrounger and/or Dread Wanderer, especially Scrapheap because he's such a menace in Mardu. Spray also hits a ton of creatures in both Zombies and Mardu making it not just for the recursive creatures.
Creatures that Spray can't kill Harnessed can due to the amount of energy the deck can make. Glorybringer is great at pressuring or killing Planewalkers and gives me another flying threat. Putting counters on Glorybringer is also nasty fun. Flames in combination with Spray is very potent vs Zombies. I've found that I really need a sweeper to consistently beat Zombies because the battlefield can be flooded with them very fast. Red has access to two three mana sweepers that can deal 3 damage to all creatures, Flames and Sweltering Suns. Doing 3 damage is important because of Lord of the Accursed. Black has Yahenni's Expertise which can kill 3 power creatures, but it costs four mana instead of three. Flames can also only do 2 damage to each creature if I only use two different colors of mana to cast it. It's flexible this can be relevant as a one sided board wipe.
Push is a great removal spell, but the strong presence in Standard of both Aetherworks Marvel and Zombies takes it down a notch. Zombies wants you to spend a card to kill a single Zombie this is giving them an advantage. Spray is some what taking away this advantage even though I'm still spending a card to kill a single creature the creature is exiled which is relevant. Marvel plays all three drops except Servant of the Conduit and higher and very few creatures. Push is still excellent in the Mardu Vehicles matchup because it can kill Heart of Kiran, but so can Harnessed.
Thanks for the tips on using the stack. You're right I can't tap Rishkar, Peema Renegade the turn it's played to crew Aethersphere Harvester and then put a counter on Harvester with Rishkar's trigger. I would have to use another creature to first crew Harvester and then play Rishkar. I've been doing this Rishkar and Havester play for a while now and no one has said it's wrong, haha... My mistake is I didn't know that if an ETB trigger has to have a target(s) the target(s) must be declared the moment the trigger goes on the stack. I was declaring targets when the trigger resolved from the stack which is wrong.
1 day ago
well I do have Liliana of the Veil on the sideboard for control decks, but I feel like I've achieved critical mass on zombies that I can make this work. With Dread Wanderer I have 20 zambs, which turns on both Gravecrawler and the Lord in question. Ultimately it is of course a mono black devotion deck, but I'm just trying to go a bit more aggro here. Gifted Aetherborn probably does deserve a sideboard slot though, I'll have to make room for that.
2 days ago
3 days ago
Hi RavenlordUA! Glad you like the deck! In a different deck, I have been playing Dread Wanderer some and it is a pretty good card. I would say it's worth an experiment. Same for Mortuary Mire. Generally, I'm not a big fan of lands that come in tapped in a speed deck, but maybe 2x might be okay? Give it a try and let me know how it works for you! I'm always open to ideas on improving the deck, and play tested ideas are even better!
3 days ago
Hi BioProfDude, I want to thank you for this deck. I'm using it in MTGO from time to time and it's really fun to play. :)
What do you think about including Dread Wanderer into this deck? It's quite good on its own as one manna drop and can be used as additional cannon fodder for Bontu the Glorified if needed
Also what about adding few Mortuary Mire for recycling dead creatures if required?
3 days ago
Your thoughts on Flaying Tendrils vs. Sweltering Suns? I feel like with the prominance of zombies it is at least good in the Sb, maybe 1 Flaying Tendrils over 1 Sweltering Suns would be fine, your mana seems good enough and that card can completely mess up a broken zombies hand, counter/kill a lord then kill/exile their creatures with Flaying Tendrils and then no more Dread Wanderer or Diregraf Colossus shenanigans, just a thought.
3 days ago
Splashing B really increases your available card pool. Cut / Ribbons and Bone Picker are both very good in a burn/tempo deck. You also get to run Alms of the Vein which is another huge burn spell for B and helps against aggro. Incendiary Flow is good. Collective Defiance is removal, burn, and a madness enabler/hand reset. I would also recommend against running more than 2 Bedlam Reveler since they are awful in multiples and can be hard to cast if you say, draw 2 of them and not enough spells. 15 creatures is too many to have Reveler be consistent. Thermo-Alchemist is insane in a burn deck.
-Add B, since it improves the deck whether you're going aggro or burn. It doesn't have to be a big splash, but a lot of good aggro creatures are black (Scrapheap Scrounger and Dread Wanderer), and you get good removal (Unlicensed Disintegration alongside Scrounger or Fatal Push) and sideboard options (Lay Bare the Heart is big right now).
-Decide whether you want to play creature aggro or burn. Bedlam Reveler doesn't really go in the creature version. Bomat Courier, Dread Wanderer, and Scrapheap Scrounger are pretty well set in the aggro version, along with 1-2 Glorybringer and/or 2-3 Hazoret the Fervent as top-end. The 2 and 3 drops are less set; I've seen Forerunner of Slaughter, Pia Nalaar and Weldfast Engineer, or Bloodrage Brawler if you're doing madness. You can also go a stronger artifact theme with Inventor's Apprentice if you have any Heart of Kiran. For the burn version, you want to cut most of the creatures except for 1-2 Bedlam Reveler and 4 Thermo-Alchemist. Bone Picker and Glorybringer also fit if preferred, but ideally the creature count is 8 or less. Goblin Dark-Dwellers is also pretty good if you tailor your spells so it can cast most of them. For spells, 4 Alms of the Vein and 4 Fiery Temper, 3-4 Lightning Axe, 2-3 Collective Defiance, 2 Cut / Ribbons, and either a 2-4 or a 3-3 split between Tormenting Voice and Cathartic Reunion, keeping in mind that Reunion is stronger, but harder to cast in general and much worse against control (since they can counter after you pay the discard cost - sweet 3 for 1). Incendiary Flow is a good card if you want another versatile early burn spell. You also need some number of sweepers. I prefer 2-damage sweepers here like Kozilek's Return or Flaying Tendrils since 3-damage sweepers take out Thermo-Alchemist, even though Sweltering Suns is pretty cool. Chandra, Torch of Defiance is pretty perfect in burn if you have it. You can also go a neat energy variant that runs Harnessed Lightning for removal, Aether Hubs, and 4 Gonti's Machinations. This gives you more survivability against aggro and another 1-cmc 3 damage effect. Not sure how inserting the energy subtheme affects the card totals.
-I don't think you want more than one Insult / Injury, if any. Injury is pretty expensive at 3 mana considering it does nothing without either another burn spell to follow up (hard to do before turn 5-6) or creatures on the field. The card doesn't seem great in aggro either since it's mostly just discard fodder. Injury is expensive for a sorcery burn spell.
-Soul-Scar Mage is fun, but doesn't really go in burn since he encourages you to burn creatures rather than your opponent. I feel like it might make sense as a sideboard card against big creature decks if you plan to try removing their creatures, but it's usually just better to have a fast burn clock against midrange.
This is mostly academic. The best burn deck in standard right now is U/R, but you basically need 4 Torrential Gearhulk (expensive!) and the deck is incredibly soft to Dispossess. You can also always make a U/R or Temur Turbo-Drake deck that just cycles and dumps most of your deck into the grave while casting fogs until you stick an Enigma Drake and Fling it at your opponent's face. The ability to do 50+ damage in a turn is pretty foul.
4 days ago
Cool deck! If you watched any of the pro tour last weekend, you already know that zombies crushed it. This might seem like a bit of a copout, but look at the top eight decklists of the PT. You'll get some really good ideas.
Off the top of my head, here are some things that I would cut/add to the deck.
Cut: Those Who Serve, Gravedigger, Fan Bearer (maybe sideboard it), Gideon and Liliana, Start/Finish, Never//Return, Harsh Scrutiny and one or two Binding Mummy. I know this sounds like a lot, but there are plenty of cards to take their place.
Add: Gideon, Ally of Zendikar, Dread Wanderer, Cryptbreaker, Diregraf Colossus (this card gets insane), Dark Salvation, Anguished Unmaking, Liliana's Mastery, and perhaps Transgress the Mind. The pros weren't playing transgress in their mainboards, but 2 copies might be nice.
I know that this changes the deck a ton, I'm just going off of what the pros did. I do like that you have Plague Belcher, that's one that didn't see much play, but I think it's perfect in this deck.
I hope this was at least a little helpful, good luck!