Raven's Crime

Raven's Crime

Sorcery

Target player discards a card.

Retrace (You may cast this card from your graveyard by discarding a land card in addition to paying its other costs.)

Raven's Crime Discussion

wallisface on Rack Prison - No-U Control

1 month ago

Modern rack decks these days are often running a playset of Urza's Saga. It lets you grab the rack itself, while also offering secondary wincons (usually by making constructs and grabbing Shadowspear), and more toolbox-answers for other threats.

Some other thoughts:

  • mainboard Leyline of Sanctity feels wrong. Card is a sideboard option at best. I’m not sure its worth running in Rack at all though.

  • Liliana's Caress feels like a weak card, and a strange choice when you aren’t yet running full playsets of Rack or Affliction, both of which are much stronger.

  • only 2 copies of Raven's Crime feels sub-optimal. That card is often fairly important to draw.

  • i’m really not convinced you need effects like Infernal Tutor (particularly if you run Urza's Saga).

Ammonzy on Jund Loam [Modern Heartless Gitrog]

1 month ago

CheapnFast

For this deck, Valakut Exploration is the main motivator behind this concept of Gitrog. Its great card advantage that allows very explosive turns, especially if Heartless Summoning is on board so Dryad of the Ilysian Grove only costs , allowing us to play even more lands. Then everything hits the graveyard which is awesome if we have The Gitrog Monster on the battlefield, as all the lands will have us draw cards. Throwing cards such as Raven's Crime, Life from the Loam, or any of our utility lands into the GY would be considered card advantage as well.

For other decks, I really cant say

JoeSullivan718 on The Song of My People

2 months ago

Nathanael97

I hadn't thought of using Scrapheap Scrounger, I'll have to consider that. I've tried Raven's Crime and it's works okay but I typically prefer passive effects like Necrogen Mists or Oppression that effect all opponents rather than just one.

Glad you like the deck! I'm doing some experimentation and some changes may be coming soon.

Nathanael97 on The Song of My People

2 months ago

I love the deck! Would Scrapheap Scrounger and Raven's Crime be too janky for this? I guess you don't exactly have land recursion from what I can see at a glance, but it would definitely be flavorful :P

Jack32226 on Rot and Ruin (Muldrotha EDH)

2 months ago

Thanks for commenting, Lord_of_Cardboard!

This deck would do exceptionally well against a Kroxa, Titan of Death's Hunger deck. This is for the same reason that cards like Jace's Archivist do so well in the deck: if you have have Muldrotha on the battlefield, any cards you discard might as well still be in your hand cause you can simply replay them from your graveyard. If anything, an opposing Kroxa player is almost helping you by disrupting your other opponents' hands.

As for a budget version of the deck, here's some advice on budget options and replacements. Just note that this is advice specific to my Muldrotha deck, i.e., advice for the big mana and big X-spell strategy. If you'd rather play a more typical creature-based, swing-to-kill type deck, there may be better Muldrotha lists to look at.

The mana base makes up a large portion of the deck's budget, and I would leave that mostly up to your own discretion. Just keep in mind that fetch lands like Evolving Wilds and slow fetches like Bad River are good for being replayed every turn with Muldrotha. Also, for a budget version of the deck, it's important to run more basics than I do since you'll probably need to fetch more with your ramp. Cycle lands like Lonely Sandbar, Tranquil Thicket, and Barren Moor are fantastic, especially with Life from the Loam. Some other good options:

Which brings me to another point: if I had to pick one somewhat expensive card that's worth putting in a budget Muldrotha deck, it's this one. It's a one-card value engine, giving you card draw, mill, and lands. And depending on what utility lands you choose to run, it can do a whole lot more. And if you're worried about Kroxa in your meta, Life from the Loam is a great counter to it, allowing you to fill your hand with lands to discard.

Now to address key cards for the deck's "big mana" strategy. Important cards for generating a lot of mana include Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, Cabal Coffers, Dryad of the Ilysian Grove, Crypt Ghast, and Nyxbloom Ancient. You could just replace these cards with normal ramp; casting X-spells for X=10 is still good and easy to accomplish without these cards. If that's unsatisfying for you, you could consider options like Zendikar Resurgent and Mana Reflection. Unfortunately there aren't many great cheap options for producing a lot of mana. This is an important part of the deck though, so it's up to you if it's worth spending some extra money on it.

To avoid this comment being any more lengthy than it already is, here's an extensive list of some budget alternatives for the deck. The great thing about Muldrotha is that being able to replay removal makes a lot of sub-par removal actually pretty good, so it's pretty budget friendly.

Win-Conditions: What's in the deck isn't too expensive, but here's some cheaper options.

Removal:

Draw / Mill:

Tutors:

Ramp:

Control and other good stuff:

If you have any other questions about budget options, let me know. I'm always happy to help!

Ammonzy on SlimeFromTheLoam [Modern Heartless Gitrog]

3 months ago

zapyourtumor

its all good, my mistake for misunderstanding you. Ayula's Influence would sync with the deck well however it would be a card we really only want to put down by T4 after we The Gitrog Monster or Slogurk, the Overslime on the battlefield, or when its late game & we have our Life from the Loam engine online. It may serve well as a x1 but it would still serve a similar role to Raven's Crime however RC is accessible while in the graveyard as well as being only 1cmc.

It may be able to replace the single copy of Azusa, Lost but Seeking - She may not be needed as the deck seems to have consistent ramp. Allowing Ayula's Influence to take the deck in a go-wide direction if the game flows that way

Ammonzy on SlimeFromTheLoam [Modern Heartless Gitrog]

3 months ago

zapyourtumor

Wrenn and Six takes up the 2cmc slot & serves no purpose once Life from the Loam is in the graveyard or drawn. Slogurk, the Overslime not only serves as a way to return lands but is a trampling-beater.

Ayula's Influence is cute but would serve the role that Raven's Crime or Otherworldly Gaze would. And obviously that's comparing a 1cmc cards to a 3cmc that requires full green. Ayula's Influence would be better if Slogurk was in the deck, not taken out.

The Gitrog Monster is not on the battlefield all the time. So making the deck too focused on land sacing just makes it run dead unless you get a very solid hand.

Cheerful_Zucchini on Truly Tremendous Treefolk Tribal!

4 months ago

Yes! There are far too many tapped lands. I will definitely drop barren moor to 1 (which I already have done in my paper version of this deck) and evolving wilds to 3. I don't think quicksand is a good idea... I used to use that land but being colorless is just such a drawback for this deck that I would definitely never run more than 2.

I like the idea of mana elves a lot! I think they'd help the deck out for sure. Maybe I should run Elves of Deep Shadow as I seem tight on black mana a lot. I really should update this deck as the version I'm using is way better than what's up there right now. I've added Raven's Crime and Rootgrapple as well as one copy of Black Poplar Shaman

The only absurd thing about your comment is recommending me to drop Bosk Banneret !!! They consistently allow me to pull off some insane stuff with the deck as I can often cast Tilling Treefolk for one mana which is totally nuts. I love casting two bosks in one turn for 3 mana, and then getting out a Wickerbough Elder and his ability for 3 total mana the next turn.

Dropping Jaddi might be useful, she's only there to help counteract life loss from Street Wraith which is now unnecessary because in the latest version of this deck I have dropped the wraiths. They caused a lot of unnecessary life loss without much benefit and unearth doesn't work on them. I also stopped using Weed-Pruner Poplar because he was so expensive and very susceptible to lightning but you're right, once there's a few of them out they can become really useful. Since this deck is built for kitchen table magic I'm not going to have a sideboard, but if I did it would definitely have weed pruners in it :)

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