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Raven's Crime Discussion
4 days ago
Hey Nyrmak and theindigoeffect, you bring up really important points about how to distribute discard effects in multiplayer games. The trick is reading the room and knowing which players to antagonize and when. If you attract too much hate, one or more players will gang up on you and it will be difficult to handle them all simultaneously.
Ultimately the goal is to use as little mana as possible to kill each player. To do that you want each player to have 0 cards in hand, so you can do 10 damage to each player with Tinybones for a single activation cost. Unless other players are constantly drawing cards with card effects, organically each player should eventually run out of cards in hand as they play lands and spells.
Once you trigger Tinybones once, each player will suddenly realize you are the biggest threat on the table. So ideally you want to set up the board to lock it down before you pull the trigger. Ideally you’ll want to start the game or tutor for permanents that make each player discard every turn, including Anvil of Bogardan , Bottomless Pit , Necrogen Mists , Chains of Mephistopheles , Oppression , Words of Waste , and Liliana of the Veil (although she is easier to remove). Other non-permanent options for making each opponent discard are Vicious Rumors , Delirium Skeins , and retracing Raven's Crime . All this discarding during each player’s turn will allow you to draw lots of cards with Tinybones. Once each player is down to only a few cards in hand, that’s when you target individual players with the most cards with discard spells to get them down to 0 cards. Once your opponents are forced to top-deck every turn, it will usually be too late for them to escape.
Obviously this is easier said that done, but that’s what makes this deck so fun to pilot!
2 weeks ago
Since you are using Life from the Loam, might I suggest Raven's Crime ? (Your friends will not be any happier with you.)
2 weeks ago
I really liked reading about your deck, and where you went with it. You go for big mana and then pump out an X spell. That's different from my build in a refreshing way.
My deck is called Tide Pod Breakfast, and I've found a few really valuable cards that would be good in yours. Keep in mind that mine is a creature-based deck, and the win con is extra turns, massive mill, and then Rise of the Dark Realms . I won't mention everything, because I've already written about it there, but here are the top 10:
Kodama of the East Tree - Insane value with Muldrotha. Every time you cast something from the graveyard, you get to put something into play from your hand. This can replace one of your cards that lets you play extra lands. You'll be playing lands, spellbombs, Sakura-Tribe Elder s, etc. Kodama will be your number 1 asset.
Second Chance - If you have a way to get your life total under 5, then you get extra turns forever. Usually the other players will take care of this for you, based on the fact that you're playing Muldrotha. Doom Whisperer makes it easy for you to find Second Chance and also get your life total down.
Glacial Chasm - You don't have to pay the cumulative upkeep cost if you don't want to, or if you want to attack that turn, and it sets up a pretty strong wall. Then you just re-play it from the graveyard in your post-combat main. Most metagames I'm part of don't run land destruction, and since you're already running strip mine, you can use your strip mine on any wastelands or strip mines your opponents have, before you drop this card.
Tormod, the Desecrator - He triggers every time one or more cards leaves your graveyard... which is about 5 separate instances every turn. He also triggers Kodama of the East Tree, which lets you put lands from your hand into play.
Insidious Dreams is probably the best tutor available for Muldrotha. Those cards you discard are still available to you, and you can stack your search so that the first card you find is a Windfall or something that gives you the rest of them.
Forgotten Creation is a handy little guy that fills your graveyard and brings you new cards every turn.
Skull Prophet is a little rampy dude that also doubles as card draw in the form of mill.
Night Incarnate is a great, repeatable board wipe.
Tunnel Vision is a hilarious self-mill card, especially if you scry the card you need to the bottom. In my deck, I use it to search for Rise of the Dark Realms because mine is a creature-based version.
Sewer Nemesis - If you are the named player, then every time you cast a spell you mill, and this guy gets pretty big.
Check out my deck Tide Pod Breakfast and give it an upvote if you like these suggestions.
1 month ago
1 month ago
okay so a few things of note here.
first. i'd suggest running 4-ofs for your best cards. there isn't any clear reason why you'd want 3 ofs in this scenario except mogis who is legendary in which case it's fine.
second. Lightning Bolt. it's one of the best red cards in the game and it's cost effective way of solving problems cannot be understated. i think it's important that it gets a slot in this deck.
third. your win con appears to be Mogis/burn. Mogis is a very slow way to win. normally for a control deck you are controlling them until you can drop some threat that you can protect that will win the game shortly after that or at least create such a lock as to make getting out of it futile. mogis will never turn on in your deck so at most it's going to be 2 damage a turn from mogis assuming they aren't doing a wide strategy. perhaps a planeswalker like Liliana, the Last Hope who you can +1 to help remove creatures and win off of her ult.
fourth. your mix of control spells is heavily weighted towards destroying creatures after they hit the field. thats something you want to respond to but people play other cards that you'll need to deal with. enchantments like Wilderness Reclamation, artifacts like Amulet of Vigor and non-permanents of all kinds. you also will lose pace with decks that use creature that have ETBs such as Omnath, Locus of Creation and Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath which yes you can kill but you'll be losing card advantage. you need a few more proactive responses and ways to gain incremental advantage over your opponent. discard spells like Thoughtseize or at least multipurpose cards like Kolaghan's Command and Collective Brutality can help. other proactive cards such as Blood Moon and Ghostly Prison can shut down or at least slow opposing decks to keep them from racing ahead of you.
with the above things in mind i'd suggest something along the following changes.
cards to remove:
-3 Crackling Doom: soul shatter and other remove should be sufficient
-3 Lightning Helix: lifegain is great for stabilizing but the power removal comes from it's mana efficiency. on turn 2 being able to play a discard spell and hold up a Lightning Bolt for their creature is much more powerful than the life gain from helix. still a great card for sideboard to bring in against lightning fast agro decks like burn or zoo.
-1 Soul Shatter: i'm not sure you need any of these in the mainboard. you have Anguished Unmaking to get around indestructible should it come up. Dreadbore and Anguished Unmaking can kill planeswalkers. That leaves hexproof is the only thing that this gets around that you don't have an answer for already. hexproof is uncommon enough that i'd personally put this in the sideboard, but considering how many of this effect you have in your deck i'm assuming your meta has enough hexproof to warrant 2 mainboard slots.
-4 Divine Gambit: 1 for 1 at best, 1 for 0 at worst. the ability to exile most types of permanents is powerful but the downside seems too risky and likely to set you behind.
-3 Anger the gods: you don't need 7 soft sweeps. with the amount of removal you have a board wide damage spell is likely for hitting tokens or other wide strategies. for most of these scenarios 2 damage should be enough. in the scenarios where 2 isn't enough, 3 likely isn't either. Wrath of God or similar would be a better bet for those situations.
-1 Pyroclasm: you probably don't even need 4 soft sweeps in the main unless you are expecting a dearth of going wide strategies in your meta.
-3 Mogis, God of Slaughter: without a way to turn him on or a way to create a true lock outs like teferi-pool you aren't going to get as much value out of mogis as you need to make him your win con.
cards to add:
+4 Lightning Bolt: this is solid removal or a damage to face if you don't need to use it as such.
+2-4: Thoughtseize: considered one of the best discard spells in the game because it hits basically everything at the cost of 2 life.
+2-4: Duress: you can choose Inquisition of Kozilek or Raven's Crime or another discard spell of your choice. i'd suggest at least 6 discard spells and you can decide the split between your discard spells depending on how aggressive your meta is.
+2 Kolaghan's Command: small creature removal, artifact removal, discard spell. very versatile.
+4 Liliana, the Last Hope, a strong contender for win con. i went with 4 copies because it doesn't have innate protection and you want it early if you can as it provides good value.
+1 Path to Exile: to make it a 4 of.
+1 Fatal Push: to make it a 4 of.
??? Tibalt's Trickery: I don't know if this is a good idea in control. you are giving up a card to change what card your opponent is casting. but they are still getting something. so you are 1 for 0ing them in a way. if they are casting a spell like Scapeshift for the win then obviously this will help but the risk of them flipping an equally scary threat off the top is very real. but your choices in counterspell are pretty limited.
if you are willing to mess around with your mana base you can probably make good use of Blood Moon as well but that would require some careful maneuvering in a 3 color deck.
2 months ago
Throwing in a single copy of a card is not going to help you too much - you want to build for consistency, which means running 4 copies of most cards (sometimes 2 or 3 copies of the card of it had a high mana cost or you otherwise only want to cast it later in the game, so you don’t need to draw it early). The other exception is some cards in Vintage where you can only run one copy, but they’re powerful enough that the chance of drawing your single copy could swing entire games in your favour.
I don’t think your deck is powerful enough for Vintage, since you made a comment about that format, but discard decks can be quite effective at kitchen table.
You should look into “8-Rack” lists, one of the top discard strategies. 8-Rack runs 4 copies of The Rack and 4 of Shrieking Affliction to deal a fair bit of damage per turn. Then you lock down the opponent by using cards like Thoughtseize, Raven's Crime, and Inquisition of Kozilek to keep your opponents from being able to do very much.
Another popular discard deck is Pox. Pox uses Smallpox and similar effects, like Rankle, Master of Pranks, to slow down your opponents, while running things like Flagstones of Trokair and Bloodghast to break parity.
2 months ago
even in modern, CA doesn't really fit mill decks as they usually go all out for the mill kill. CA doesn't have evasion of any kind either which really hinders him. if you want to make a deck that allows them to do well, i'd suggest a dimir control deck with lots of cheap hand disruption and counter spells with a few nice finishers with this as one. your discard spells are no longer blanks against empty enemy hands because of the mill option. admittedly there are probably better options but i feel that he is more reasonable in this build than a straight mill deck.
vague list assuming you want budget.
4x Mana Leak
that leaves a few cards to add and you can fill them out to fit your style
if you didn't want this to be budget obviously add snapcasters and fetches and feel free to add more cards like Remand.
2 months ago
Thanks for stopping by and taking the time to respond. I hadn't been aware of Vampire of the Dire Moon, I consider that an immediate upgrade!
Raven's Crime has proven very effective for me in the mid-game at times, catching opponents off-guard when I double or triple-cast it to empty their hand (especially in the second or third game of a match when they've boarded out all their graveyard hate). It's worth a one-of imo. I detailed my reasons for Leechridden Swamp above, but I'm open to dropping it. Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx ramps into a hand full of cards from a Phyrexian Arena or two.
I'll definitely try Bloodchief's Thirst in the sideboard over Victim of Night for its value against Planeswalkers but I really like the instant speed of the latter. Contaminated Ground is intended to interfere with land strategies like Tron while Withered Wretch allows me to cycle multiple cards out of a graveyard AND gives me a body that increases my Devotion.