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Shigeki, Jukai Visionary
Legendary Enchantment Creature — Snake Druid
, , Return this to this creature's owner's hand: Reveal the top four cards of your library. You may put a land card from among them onto the battlefield tapped. Put the rest into your graveyard.
Channel — , Discard this: Return X target nonlegendary cards from your graveyard to your hand.
2 months ago
Self-mill yes, opponent mill no. You'll want plenty of self-mill to fuel Nethroi along with lots of ramp since Nethroi is 7 mana to mutate.
Culling Ritual is a powerful card in multiplayer Commander that also provides ramp for Nethroi. Songs of the Damned goes well with self-mill + lots of creatures for ramp especially since Nethroi has 6 black mana in it's mutate cost.
Body Launderer and Karmic Guide are two good creatures with self-mill and they combo with a sac outlet such as Viscera Seer for infinite scry/loot. Activated Sleeper is an underrated 0/0 creature who also combos with Karmic. Braids, Arisen Nightmare is powerful draw in multiplayer Commander when sacing your own creatures helps you.
3 months ago
Gidgetimer I very much appreciate the attention and in-depth feedback you and multimedia have been giving this deck. This is my first deck, I started building it back in June. I will eventually slot in non-tap duals, but I'm on a fairly restrictive budget and don't have a large personal card pool to pull from yet.
I 100% agree about Crop Rotation. In this stage of the deck, it's doing nothing for me. I'm not sure I agree about it not being a dredge deck (yet). It's hard to know right now, but when I do get my Fauna Shaman Golgari Grave-Troll engine running, it feels pretty good. Fauna Shaman can tutor for Eternal Witness and Shigeki, Jukai Visionary and allow me to pull cards back from the yard, it might be a little slower than a cantrip, but the number of cards I have my pick from is much better than just peeling off the top of the deck.
Back to budget, I probably can't swing for Mesmeric Orb right now. I also eventually plan to swap out Diabolic Tutor for Vampiric Tutor, but I'm building at the speed of cash. I like Varragoth, Bloodsky Sire though and might be able to find a spot for that! I like that it also has the option to be used diplomatically if someone else has an answer to a bigger threat at the table.
I see the potential for mana dorks and I'm particularly keen on Elves of Deep Shadow. As far as one land per turn, If I get my Fauna Shaman engine going, I can be playing two lands per turn as early as turn 4. Of course, it's nice to have backup since getting the ideal opening hand and first two draws is very low.
multimedia there's a lot of good information in your post as well. Sun Titan seems really promising and a flash enabler would be great here too. I'll keep working this over in my mind and see what make sense!
3 months ago
seshiro_of_the_orochi I completely forgot that Shigeki, Jukai Visionary had that ability! I'll definitely be slotting him in. Spring-Leaf Avenger seems like a really cool card too! I am already running Gravebreaker Lamia and she's been great in the deck. I have a Skullwinder or two that I picked up in a Baldur's gate draft. I've only hesitated with that one because I don't like giving my opponents their choice of cards as well. I guess I could always save it until I lay down a Bojuka Bog though haha
These are all super helpful suggestions. Thank you all!
4 months ago
Loosing non-creatures is a usual topic with these strategies. One way around it is to play as few of those card as possible. As you're asking for recursion ideas, Timeless Witness is basically a second E-Wit, and Skullwinder is also not far off. A card I really like is Spring-Leaf Avenger, and bouncing an attacking Nethroi to mutate out again seems pretty useful. What's more, how about Shigeki, Jukai Visionary? He seems to do everything you wish for, and he even has a power small enough so you can abuse him with Nethroi.
5 months ago
Boundless Realms - This spell can only find basics which are not that plenty (especially when drained with fetches), they ETB tapped and overall it's not I'm focused on. Using it for Scute or Avenger is just overkill as I only need to crack a fetch 3 times to get 64 insects or 6/7 plants to finish the game. I'd rather play Reshape the Earth which has game ending potential on its own (Field of the Dead + 9 lands) even if it costs 2 more mana.
Scapeshift - I'm considering this but I would need to find room for mass-land returners (World Shaper) to make it more of the ramp spell than quality one. Azusa with Crucible effect may not be enough to return all sacced lands in short period. Obviously would be much better with Cradle which I don't possess though.
I've been playing Genesis Wave for a long time with great success (Turn 4-5 wins happened) and it was hard decision to cut it but I need to keep big-spells count as low as possible especially I can play combo now. As for Sol Ring I'd rather use Mana Crypt for T1 Azusa but still it gets negated by Ouphe, destroyed by Bane and doesn't trigger landfall effects.
Rude Awakening - I don't see it as part of the combo as it requires 3 parts (only 2 can be tutored for) and 11+ mana to run (which is a lot) and there are cheaper effects to untap lands. As for wincon it doesn't generate that much pressure as even 20 2/2 land-creatures can only kill one player and I'm not eager to lose any of my lands in combat.
Petrified Field - I did run it for a long time but needed to cut less important utility lands for Forests as I found myself color-hungry too many times.
Regal Force - it's definitely a powerhouse but I need to keep rigor in amount of cards in each mana slot. CMC 7 has 3 creature slots already occupied by Avenger (wincon), Hulk (combo) and Wurm (pet card). It's definitely viable for people not fond of Diune series (Shai-Hulud) or Wurms as a species ;)
Garruk, Primal Hunter - I did play him back in a days but I prefer cheaper (Life's Legacy) or repeatable (Greater Good) effects for card draw (even if I lose a creature in a process). Its ability can be weakened by killing biggest creature and Return of the Wildspeaker is better anyway.
Castle Garenbrig - it's good indeed except for occassions when I don't have Forest or a fetch in my starting hand which happens from time to time. It's obviously better with mana doublers but can be ok in my build as well. I don't have it currently but I will and test it.
Sensei's Divining Top - I've tested it already. Sure it ordered my top for Augur and friends but fetches "do" it anyway and sometimes I wished it way another card - that could ramp me for instance. I'd rather play Winding Way than it.
Elvish Aberration - I'm currently testing it. The thing is it can be cycled Turn 2 to keep the momentum for next turn Azusa and can produce infinite mana with Ashaya + Quirion combo. The second one didn't happen yet but it's possible. Anyway this slot is still interchangeable as there are so many 6 CMC creatures to use in a deck that finding a perfect one is hard. It can be Duplicant, Ulvenwald Hydra, Kogla, Sweet-Gum Recluse or even Orchard Strider as long as it won't clog a hand and can be tutor target in some occassions.
Panglacial Wurm - It's a pet card of mine and effective one to boot. Combat trick/End Step fatty is one option but more often than not it's used for power-matter draw effects. Mana flood is not that scary when you can cast it from library by cracking a fetch. Bonus points for Shai-Hulud esque.
Shigeki, Jukai Visionary - it's perfect T2 play before T3 Azusa and can be used right after dropping 2 bonus lands to ramp. Channel ability is super useful even if little costly.
6 months ago
Jetmir, Nexus of Revels puts a win condition in the command zone and is probably a much better commander overall. However, I think I'll probably leave Samut, Voice of Dissent as the commander for now. Her haste-granting ability is still quite important for sudden death attacks with several of the token swarms, and I really enjoy the complicated untapping puzzles that arise when her activated ability becomes relevant in this deck. Damage prevention is not a problem I've personally come up against, but Skullcrack definitely seems great if that's a strategy in your local meta. You could also play Leyline of Punishment if you want to stick with the enchantment theme.
8 months ago
There are a few budget-friendly cards that I can recommend
Commune with Spirits and Kruphix's Insight -> for extra card draw
Control Magic, The Trickster-God's Heist and Corrupted Conscience-> steal the biggest threat on the battlefield
Evolutionary Leap -> kill the frog, draw an enchantress
Druid Class -> play extra lands to make use of all the cards this deck draws
Shigeki, Jukai Visionary -> repeatable ramp on an enchantment creature
Mirrormade -> super versatile card
Ancestral Mask -> can one-shot someone with unblockable commander
9 months ago
Hey, thanks for the reply! In the range of 6-7 we want to start doing unfair things; not quite the territory of combo, but you are right, we should be threatening a win by turns 6-8. It seems like you are running an aggressive on-the-board win, which means we need to target your creatures, and see where we can squeeze in more power. As a note, I'd rate your current deck construction at a 4-5 due to the fact that there could be a lot more optimization, and you seem to be missing ways to threaten a win.
Your best win condition seems to be playing Craterhoof Behemoth into a board of other creatures. Something we want to address if you want to improve the power of the deck is how do we get our win condition out of our deck. We can do this by drawing cards, tutoring from the deck, etc. A deck that is a 7 will usually have one or two ways to directly tutor their win condition, as well as powerful card draw engines that let the deck draw 2 to 3 extra cards a turn.
Cards to Add:
- Shigeki, Jukai Visionary
- Courser of Kruphix
- Selvala, Heart of the Wilds
- Tireless Provisioner
- Tireless Tracker
- Oracle of Mul Daya
- Questing Beast
- Scavenging Ooze
- Elder Gargaroth
- Avenger of Zendikar
- Rampaging Ferocidon
- Hazoret the Fervent
- Harsh Mentor
- Eidolon of the Great Revel
- Ash Zealot
- Magus of the Moon
- Magus of the Wheel
- Treasure Nabber
- Generous Patron
- Runic Armasaur
Something to sit on, and maybe test out: are there cards that are worth playing even though they are non-creature spells? My answer is yes! Here are a few I'd say are worth playing in your deck:
- The Great Henge
- Birthing Pod
- Finale of Devastation
- Sylvan Library
- Once Upon a Time
- Greater Good
- Eldritch Evolution
- Summoner's Pact
- Escape to the Wilds
Sorry if that was a lot! I can recommend cards to take out of the deck if you want, but here is a list of my recommendations. Let me know if you want to further the conversation or have any questions