Forbidden Alchemy

Instant

Look at the top four cards of your library. Put one of them into your hand and the rest into your graveyard.

Flashback {6}{B} (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)

Legality

Format	Legality
1v1 Commander	Legal
Alchemy	Legal
Archenemy	Legal
Arena	Legal
Block Constructed	Legal
Canadian Highlander	Legal
Casual	Legal
Commander / EDH	Legal
Commander: Rule 0	Legal
Custom	Legal
Duel Commander	Legal
Gladiator	Legal
Highlander	Legal
Historic	Legal
Historic Brawl	Legal
Legacy	Legal
Leviathan	Legal
Limited	Legal
Modern	Legal
Modern Beyond Horizons	Legal
Oathbreaker	Legal
Pauper	Legal
Pauper Duel Commander	Legal
Pauper EDH	Legal
Planar Constructed	Legal
Planechase	Legal
Quest Magic	Legal
Tiny Leaders	Legal
Vanguard	Legal
Vintage	Legal

Discussion (50)

leovolt884_ on 3's a crowd

4 months ago

Would something like Deadly Dispute or Village Rites be viable? My thought is sacking the Sneaky Snacker to draw cards and fuel Kami of Jealous Thirst since you'll want to be activating its ability every turn. Because the sac is an additional cost, it should hit the grave before the spell resolves so when you draw two, going up to 3 for turn, you'll immediately get the Snacker back? Correct me if that isn't how the sequencing works. Unfortunately they would be dead draws without a Snacker to begin with. Other than that maybe a way to return spells from your graveyard to your hand would be nice for the control aspect. Forbidden Alchemy to find Kami, Snacker or needed removal and Deep Analysis come to mind as good additions as well :>

SufferFromEDHD on Araumi’s Dead Broke Pauper

2 years ago

Looking through my collection I found a real counterspell pauper gem for graveyard strategies: Rites of Refusal

Forbidden Alchemy a flashback card that feeds the strategy.

patrickd117 on Scion of the Ur Dragon!

2 years ago

I don't love Crosis, the Purger - this is just kind of a waaaay worse Nicol Bolas, which I don't think you need. Gem of Becoming - I think this is literal trash. Forbidden Alchemy - I think there are better cards that do this. I don't think you're basically ever going to want to spend 7 on the flashback.

Try: Moonveil Regent, Savage Ventmaw, Lathliss, Dragon Queen, Scion of Draco, Rishkar's Expertise

Swords to Plowshares is the biggest omission in this, imo

multimedia on Deep Dark Fears

2 years ago

Hey, nice sea monster version.

Frantic Search and Brainstorm are helpful spells to set up Runo to transform since you'll get high CMC sea monsters in your hand. Frantic is draw two, discard a sea monster, untap three lands then tap those three lands to cast Runo. Frantic could replace Forbidden Alchemy and Brainstorm could replace Strategic Planning.

A couple of sea monster upgrades to consider:

• Hullbreaker Horror --> Lorthos, the Tidemaker
• Stormtide Leviathan --> Tromokratis
• Striped Riverwinder --> Elder Deep-Fiend
• Wonder --> Octopus Umbra

Even though you have Mirror Gallery, Lorthos and Tromokratis are legendary creatures who when copied by Krothuss don't do much since they don't have an effect when they ETB and Lorthos attack effect is not mana efficient at all with copies. Striped Riverwinder is helpful to transform Runo since it's one mana cycle to draw a card and put into your graveyard. When you control copies of Hullbreaker Horror then it can bounce all your opponents nonland permanents with Sol Ring + another 0-2 CMC mana rock by constantly cast/bounce.

Stormtide Leviathan pairs well with Krothuss since he has flying. Beatdown your opponents with 8/8 unblockable Stormtides who's ability can make it more difficult for your opponents to swingback at you. Stormtide helps Wrexial, the Risen Deep since he has islandwalk. Stormtide also pairs well with Wonder to give all creatures you control flying so they can attack. Without Stormtide Wonder is still powerful especially with Spawning Kraken since you have plenty of Islands. Wonder is nice when a strategy here is to get creatures into your graveyard.

Good luck with your deck.

Shaffe_House on Araumi of the Dead Tide

3 years ago

Instant/Sorceries/Artifact/Enchantment

Enablers:

Ancient Excavation, Dihada's Ploy, Fact or Fiction, Frantic Search, Forbidden Alchemy, Otherworldly Gaze, Thirst for Knowledge, Thirst for Meaning, Winds of Rebuke, You Find the Villains' Lair, Careful Study, Funeral Rites, Notion Rain, Ransack the Lab, Perpetual Timepiece

Reanimation:

Dread Return, Incarnation Technique, Living Death, Necromantic Selection, Victimize

Ramp:

Fellwar Stone, Mind Stone, Skyclave Relic, Sol Ring, Worn Powerstone, Songs of the Damned

Other:

Discontinuity, Siphon Insight, Songs of the Damned, Bone Shards, Tortured Existence

MrMortifex145 on Dimir Control - 2021

3 years ago

Grubbernaut thanks for the upvote! Generally what you said is true, but for this deck I beg to differ. Think Twice is always card advantage while Frantic Inventory , which draws more cards if you can cast all four, has to be drawn at multiple times to get the advantage. Plus if you have to discard Think Twice to Forbidden Alchemy you can still flashback it, plus having one in the gy you can do cool stuff like play Mortuary Mire a Mulldrifter and get it back by flashbacking Think Twice it if you have the mana, or get back a Gurmag Angler . This deck is mostly a "draw, land, go" kind of deck so the flashback cost isn't an issue. Curse of the Bloody Tome is a bad card generally, but it works in this deck because, as I said, many turns are just waiting for stuff to counter and having a passive wincon is cool. Plus you can discard it to Forbidden Alchemy . On MTGO it also has the advantage that if you play it on the first round by turn three, people will scoop because they aren't ready for a mill deck, side out removal for enchantment hate, and get stomped by Gurmag Angler . Cast Down I agree, but until they ban Chatterstorm you need ways to sweep by turn two. Plus against boros you can sweep First Day of Class buffed birds which is nice, and two Suffocating Fumes is necessary to survive against elves.

Phion on When Hel freezes over (27/12/22 major update)

3 years ago

Chats the only 2 cuts I think you should perhaps reconsider are Discovery / Dispersal (early game this card can dig in your deck a bit to help find land while also supplying your grave with cards for Empty the Pits + Rise from the Tides . In addition the second half is decent late game to bounce peoples higher costed cards) and Forbidden Alchemy (fills up your grave again while also helping you find the card you need, can cast again with flashback instant speed).

In terms of cuts I think Brain in a Jar and Diregraf Colossus are on the chopping block simply because unless they are played early game the deck does not feel the benefit when they are drawn.

Optimator on

3 years ago

Drop Faerie Tauntings , Ashiok, Nightmare Muse , Traumatize , Trepanation Blade , add about one or two more ramp and two more card-draw at least. I almost always run 8 pieces of ramp and the prevailing wisdom is 10. Same for card-draw: I aim for 8, many aim for 10. Extra ramp is great with Oona's ability and card-draw can draw you into lands and just generally smooth everything out.

Reconnaissance Mission would be good. Treasure Cruise is often almost an Ancestral Recall and is budget too. Even though you're running Blue , Read the Bones is a great rate, as is Night's Whisper . Divination , Concentrate , and Tidings are all great on a budget, if a bit unexciting.

I love Keep Watch , Borrowing 100,000 Arrows , Theft of Dreams , Insight , Windfall , Plea for Power , Curse of Verbosity , and Manifold Insights but they are swingy. High ceilings, low floors. The mana cost on them is what makes them so good.

Midnight Clock is budget right now but it's starting to make waves. Get yours now while they're cheap. Ramp AND draw! Great on a budget.

Secrets of the Golden City and Kumena's Awakening should usually be City's Blessing-ed. I like Kimena's a lot on a budget (along with Patient Rebuilding ). Rush of Knowledge is decent if you have Oona out. Fathom Trawl is a guaranteed three non-lands, though it might be a bit lackluster with so many faeries. Not a bad card though. Mind Spring is great with ramp.

Drawn from Dreams and Dig Through Time are probably better than Diabolic Tutor until you have a game-winning card in the deck like Coat of Arms or some combo pieces (of which all are out-of-budget). I'd say drop Diabolic Tutor . Diabolic Vision is all right on a budget, as is Pilfered Plans , Forbidden Alchemy , and Notion Rain . We can probably do better, even on a tight budget.

Soul Ransom is kind of faerie-ish. Pact of the Serpent maybe?

With all your fliers, Rogue's Gloves and Mask of Memory are fantastic card-draw cards. Mask of Riddles is cute. Curiosity and Curious Obsession are decent but dangerous. Chart a Course is decent with fliers. Whispering Madness can be good with fliers too.

I have mixed feelings about Opt , Serum Visions , Sleight of Hand , Ponder , Preordain , Portent . They certainly don't hurt but they're bad late-game. I run them in some decks. Consider them if most of your card-draw is expensive. Brainstorm is a bit of a trap unless you have ways to shuffle your library and get rig of unwanted cards. This usually requires fetch lands like Polluted Delta and is better in 60-card formats.

Rain of Revelation , Archmage's Charm , Fact or Fiction , Succumb to Temptation , Precognitive Perception , Frantic Search , Pull from Tomorrow , Gush , Village Rites are all good for being instants so you can leave counterspells up and if you don't need them you can draw. That's one of the reasons a card like Anticipate looks weak but is nice for keeping counterspells open. Fact or Fiction is particularly good and is considered a staple in many formats, including EDH.

I would swap out Dimir Locket and Dimir Cluestone for Mind Stone and Prismatic Lens . Maybe Star Compass if it is in budget. I know you need your colors but 3-mana mana rocks that don't have huge upside are sooooo slow. Arcane Signet is probably out of budget, which is too bad. Is Wayfarer's Bauble still expensive? Probably. Worn Powerstone and Hedron Archive maybe? Oona isn't cheap and you want mana for her ability if push comes to shove. Trinket Mage is ramp because it can snag Sol Ring , making it the same rate as Explosive Vegetation and Hedron Archive .