Forbidden Alchemy

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Format Legality
Vintage Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Legacy Legal
Modern Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Pauper Legal

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Modern Masters 2017 Edition Common
Duel Decks: Blessed vs Cursed Common
Innistrad Common
Promo Set Common

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Forbidden Alchemy

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Look at the top four cards of your library. Put one of them into your hand and the rest into your graveyard.

Flashback (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)

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Forbidden Alchemy Discussion

hydeist on Heartless Summoning

3 weeks ago

Replaced Gigadrowse and Fabricate with 2 x Forbidden Alchemy. Need for digging power.

KongMing on Legion

3 weeks ago

Fun deck, but you only have 6 creatures with CMC 3 or less. I playtested it a couple times, and I never got the Soulflayer until past Turn 10 both times. Seems really contingent on having the Flayer to work. You also only have one source of Blue, and six cards that require it to be cast. I know they are mostly in there for the Soulflayer to Delve, but you don't have many reliable ways to discard the cards in your hand to the grave.

Right now it seems pretty unfocused and scattered. Cards that let you fish through the top X cards in your deck, put one in hand and discard the rest would be good for this deck. Examples include Benefaction of Rhonas, Bitter Revelation, Commune with the Gods, Forbidden Alchemy, Gather the Pack, Gifts Ungiven, Grisly Salvage, Moonlight Bargain, Mulch, Pieces of the Puzzle, Satyr Wayfinder, Scout the Borders, See the Unwritten, Strategic Planning, Sultai Ascendancy, Taigam's Scheming, Tracker's Instincts, Vigean Intuition, and Wood Sage.

Obviously, some of those are better than others. Pick the ones you think combo with the theme you want for this deck the best.

TheDarkSlayer21 on Mimeoplasm ETB

1 month ago

Fauna Shaman, Survival of the Fittest, Buried Alive and Intuition are pretty much MUST HAVES for this type of deck.

Rune-Scarred Demon, Acidic Slime, Terastodon, Woodfall Primus, Duplicant and Eternal Witness are good ETB triggers.

Hermit Druid and Mirror-Mad Phantasm can easily get a lot of cards in your graveyard.

I like running Monastery Siege, Ancient Excavation, Compulsive Research, Forbidden Alchemy, Frantic Search, and Thirst for Knowledge for draw/discarding

would also recommend running a Homeward Path in case people steal your stuff from your graveyard.

Sheoldred, Whispering One, Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur, and Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger are powerful cards on their own.

Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon, Spinebiter and Putrefax can be extremely deadly.

I would also recommend adding in a few more board wipes, specifically Life's Finale.

If you need more suggestions, this is the deck that i made for the mimeoplasm


Experiment 626

Commander / EDH TheDarkSlayer21

SCORE: 8 | 7 COMMENTS | 1961 VIEWS | IN 3 FOLDERS


PartyJ on Zombie

2 months ago

I would suggest the following extra cards:

Aim for at leist 35 lands I would suggest for now.

All options I posted are budget options. The more expensive cards I left ut for now.

Good luck!

PJ

tacshtson on Non-Dredge Dredge

3 months ago

Hey whyundead3, thanks for the feedback. I agree in making it as competitive as possible, casual or not. Winning fast is winning fun, right?

The usefulness of Rally the Ancestors I'd overlooked. Rule 603.7C was something I had missed, so from here on out please consider mentions of Rally the Ancestors and Immortal Servitude to be one and the same unless otherwise specified. The same is true for Blood Artist and Zulaport Cutthroat, although I was aware of the former, merely passing over it.

I do agree that the deck does nothing until Immortal Servitude goes off. It is stalling until that point when it goes off and hopefully wins. Adding in Augur of Bolas and/or Screeching Skaab gives it board presence before then, which is something I had been considering. There's not much to do about this, short of changing the game plan away from Immortal Servitude, which I should have gone into.

This is actually the third iteration of the deck I've looked at. The first version was a RBW setup that looked to power out and up a Quest for the Gravelord or Mortician Beetle as fast as possible. This is similar to your thoughts on Carrion Feeder. When I was looking at that setup I'd considered either using the same sacrifice outlets you listed, or one-drop self-sacrificing creatures like the Mogg Fanatic still in the MaybeBoard. I settled on the latter as it was more difficult to disrupt via removal and could get some additional speed through Kuldotha Rebirth and Infernal Plunge, as both sacrifice setups work best feeding on Ornithopter and Memnite.This was great in concept, except in researching it I found an identical setup that could power out a T2 win through different means https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-68-10-tix-modern-turn-2-tokens . No point using the same setup for two different decks.

I like some of the options you've brought up, namely the Doomed Traveler, as it gives me another target for Qarsi Sadist immediately, a repeat chump-blocker, or could power another scheme for damage like you're thinking. Pawn of Ulamog also plays nicely into this. The under-performing Inquisitor Exarch does stand to be replaced by something more useful.

Thanks for the catch on Enclave Cryptologist. I was under the impression he entered as Level 1, not having used that sort of card before. Merfolk Looter has been swapped in.

The alternatives to Taigam's Scheming I am not sold on however. While it is true that they don't actually do anything to the game, like put cards in hand, they do optimize Pieces of the Puzzle, which is wonderful. My main thing is simply that, as a two-drop, I can put 5 + 1 cards into the graveyard. I don't think anything else beats this ratio short of a good Mind Funeral somehow cast on myself. If there's a faster method you're aware of, by all means. I didn't look greatly into targeting myself with mill cards, only ones that give me some control over what remains in my library/goes to my hand.

I do like Forbidden Alchemy, but for my purposes it's a worse version of Pieces of the Puzzle, albeit a worse copy 5 - 8 of the card. Thought Scour is in a similar situation when compared to Screeching Skaab, as the reduced mana cost and self-replacing nature just doesn't suit my needs as well as a 2/1 body. It's a good card, just not for my needs. Fact or Fiction is just too expensive. Two castings of Taigam's Scheming fills the graveyard far better and doesn't give my opponent any influence.

We're in the same line of thought with Taigam's Scheming just not doing as much as it could. I'd looked at building this in Green using Gather the Pack, Commune with the Gods, and Satyr Wayfinder, but that setup just works better with the typical Dredge creature suite of Bloodghast, Narcomoeba, Prized Amalgam, etc. These cards have the benefit of refilling my hand, but I'm just not using the right creature strategy to make this deck work in Green.

As for Black mana sources, I definitely agree. Even in this current build I have no reason not to split my Plains and go 50:50 with Swamps.

Overall, I appreciate the input. I have been sitting on a playset of Dark Prophecy, Deathgreeter, Lingering Souls, and Teysa, Orzhov Scion that play nicely with some of the ideas you've dropped here, even if that wasn't the intent. Plus you caught some critical mistakes I'd made in this deck.Cheers.

hoardofnotions on gisa and geralf zombie

3 months ago

looks like a solid deck! I have a couple ideas that i hope will improve your deck!

Nephalia Academy, Radiant Fountain and Waterveil Cavern could be upgraded, maybe Terramorphic Expanse, Nephalia Drownyard, Drownyard Temple, Bojuka Bog

Chronic Flooding, Corpse Churn, Strategic Planning, Forbidden Alchemy, Mesmeric Orb could be a clever way of adding cards to the graveyard

Sol Ring is a stable in commander, more mana rocks? Dimir Signet, Worn Powerstone, Gilded Lotus

Raise Dead dosen't seem strong enough. maybe Beacon of Unrest?

Exhume, Gnawing Zombie, Grave Peril, Gravepurge, Moan of the Unhallowed could be possible cuts

Secrets of the Dead is awesome! maybe swap for or add River Kelpie as well!

Fleshbag Marauder is super good!

Grimgrin, Corpse-Born is great!

Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon seems out of place

Rise from the Tides seems out of place as well

Call to the Grave is very good

Death Baron, Ghoulcaller Gisa, Grave Defiler, Graveborn Muse, Gravespawn Sovereign, Lich Lord of Unx, Lord of the Undead, Noxious Ghoul are some zombies that i think could improve your deck!

Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet isn't a zombie but makes them and provides a good effect for commander!

Maybe add a some sources of life gain as well, Whip of Erebos is a good one

Havengul Lich is amazing with Rooftop Storm!

MegaMatt13 on Gisa and geralf zombies NO COMBO

3 months ago

Nice deck :)

I'd suggest more cards similar to Frantic Search that will filter through your deck and dump zombies into your graveyard.

Fact or Fiction, Monastery Siege, Forbidden Alchemy, Fortune's Favor, and Epiphany at the Drownyard all work great in my version. Perpetual Timepiece is also great and filling the graveyard.

Other great zombies: Vengeful Dead, Armored Skaab, Laboratory Brute, Geralf's Mindcrusher

Hope this helps!

whyundead3 on Non-Dredge Dredge

3 months ago

From a casual, janky deck point of view I love it. Your deck seems to be doing some pretty cool things with cards that are generally considered pretty bad and unplayable outside of limited.

But from a more competitive, critical point of view I'd love to give you some tips. (I know your deck is posted as casual so feel free not to even read this)

From what it looks like you're using cards like Taigam's Scheming and Taigam's Scheming 2.0 to fill up your graveyard then playing Immortal Servitude to return back all of your creatures of that cmc, stacking the damage to deal a ton. Sounds like a solid plan.

But from what it looks like your deck seems like when it goes off it goes but up until then it just spends most of its time durdling. Why cards like Taigam's Scheming never see play is because.. well.. they don't really do anything. Yeah you get to set up your next few draws and/or fill your graveyard but what else? When people play cards they expect them to to help them win the game. Scheming doesn't actually win games, it just helps other cards do. (In a weird sense it's kinda like straight life gain). If the card said draw a card at the end or even loot (draw then discard) I can assure you it would see insane amounts of play. But it doesn't. Better replacements might be Fact or Fiction, Forbidden Alchemy, and Thought Scour.

From your post it seems like you've considered Rally the Ancestors but decided to remove it. In my opinion I think is can potentially be much more powerful than Immortal Servitude. For starters it's 1 mana cheaper. But it also says with cmc X OR LESS. That can get everything rather than just your 1 or 2 drops. And the down side of exile at next upkeep? If you sac them all they don't exile. Meaning you can play Rally, sac all your creatures (preferably with a sac outlet). Then next turn play another Rally. (Rally does exile itself sadly) To top it all off Rally the Ancestors is instant speed. (That's a HUGE upside)

Lastly the creatures. If you were to play Rally I'd recommend a sacrifice outlet, luckily for you you have access to many good ones. Viscera Seer and Carrion Feeder come to mind.In my opinion Enclave Cryptologist is too slow at what it does. You have to put an additional 2 mana into the card for it to actually do something and then hope someone doesn't kill it. Recommended upgrades Merfolk Looter, Magus of the Bazaar, Bonded Fetch, or Jace, Vryn's Prodigy  Flip if you like to spend money.

Zulaport Cutthroat is a good card, I like it. But depending up what type of games you play more there might be a better option. In free for all I think Zula wins but in a 1v1 match Blood Artist definitely wins. See unlike Zula the Artist says if ANY creature dies, yours, mine, any. But the Artist also only says for one player to lose a life, rather than Zula which is each opponent. Heck you could always just run both. Double the fun.

From there I don't think you'd even need to play either Inquisitor Exarch or Qarsi Sadist. (And Death Cultist) Like they're okay. But if you're already playing the life loosers and you already have sac outlets coming back it might just be more beneficial to play creature makers instead. (Depending upon how many life loosers you have the numbers could be much higher) Recommend Doomed Traveler, Blisterpod, Carrier Thrall. Sengir Autocrat (Just remember sac the Serfs first). These guys could be insane too Pawn of Ulamog and Grim Haruspex (Depending upon how many token makers you end up actually playing) and Xathrid Necromancer. (Depending upon how many humans you actually play from the ones I've listed.)

Additionally if you'd like more life loosers, Falkenrath Noble and Pious Evangel  Flip.

Last thing, I'd also recommend you play lands that tap for black. As there's a lot of black on the list. I know ideally you want to resurrect them and not actually play them from hand. But sometimes things don't go as planned and it's good to have back up options.

From your description it seems like you have a mind for understanding your deck. That's a good skill. One a lot of the pro's don't even have. Look forward to what you might make in the future.

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