Actual EDH Commander Exile
Asked by DJSeras 9 years ago
If I were to tuck someones commander with say Oblation and then cast Praetor's Grasp and picked their commander from within the deck, would it stay exiled since they don't know what i picked (although they could guess) and wouldn't be able to enact the command zone replacement effect?
Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #2
@lordoftheshadows: That is incorrect. Commander has a very specific rule about exiling cards face-down.
903.13. If a card is put into the exile zone face down from anywhere, and a player is allowed to look at that card in exile, the player must immediately do so. If it's a commander owned by another player, the player that looked at it turns it face up and puts it into the command zone.
Remember, "commanderness" is an unalterable property (not a characteristic) of a card. A commander card can never not be a commander card, no matter what its characteristics are.
October 26, 2014 7:05 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #3
You're technically correct in stating that the replacement effect doesn't apply, but the end result is that the commander card ends up in the command zone.
October 26, 2014 7:07 a.m.
Gidgetimer says... #4
lordoftheshadows is incorrect. From http://mtgcommander.net (the official resource for EDH rules):
12. If a Commander would be put into a graveyard or exile from anywhere, its owner may choose to move it to the command zone instead. Details
If a card is put into the exile zone face down from anywhere, and a player is allowed to look at that card in exile, the player must immediately do so. If it's a commander owned by another player, the player that looked at it turns it face up and puts it into the command zone.
And also being a commander is not a characteristic, it is a property of the card. So even when it has no characteristics or all of it's characteristics have been changed due to a copy effect, it is still a Commander card and the rules for Commander cards apply to it.
filledelanuit says... #1
Your opponent doesn't get to put it back into the command zone. Commander adds a replacement effect saying that if commander is put into a graveyard or exiled then its owner may put it into the command zone instead. Cards that are face down have no characteristics other than being an object. This means that when the card was exiled it didn't have the commander characteristic and thus cannot sent to the command zone as a replacement effect.
TL;DR: Your opponent can't put it into the command zone.
October 26, 2014 6:45 a.m.