Dark Withering

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Format Legality
Noble Legal
Leviathan Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Vintage Legal
Modern Legal
Casual Legal
Pauper EDH Legal
Vanguard Legal
Legacy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Planechase Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Unformat Legal
Pauper Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Time Spiral (TSP) Common

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Dark Withering

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Destroy target nonblack creature.

Madness {{B}} (If you discard this card, you may cast it for its madness cost instead of putting it into your graveyard.)

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Dark Withering Discussion

mattuch on Dis Card

1 week ago

Hello, if I may suggest, reduce number of swamps. My discard deck (Rats FTW (40 discards)) works perfectly with 16 lands :). Instead you could add e.g. Rotting Rats which works nice with Dark Withering.

pyromaniac53 on Living Lore Budget

1 month ago

Thanks for the feedback ersatz_olorin! Blasphemous Act seems like a good sideboard inclusion, but I generally do not run into any creature heavy decks in my meta. Because of this I mostly have a need for more targeted removal, like Dark Withering. So for now it is not a necessary inclusion, but I will consider it in the future.

Nordlys on U/b discard

1 month ago

Hi there, i'll share all the knowledge i've gathered after playing discard decks for more than 5 years (i've built monoblack creatureless discard, monoblack creature discard, UB discard, RB discard, Grixis discard, specter discard, etc.).

The first i see here is that you don't have anything to deal with the board, so you'll more than probably die to anything that hits the board, even a simple 3/1 two-drop. Your deck relies too much on damaging your opponent through giving him many cards and forcing him to discard not that many; the only card in your deck that punishes him this way is Liliana's Caress and that's it, it's not reliable. You also run two copies of Painful Quandary which it's ideal mechanics are to punish your opponent for having no hand, but since you are forcing him to draw so many cards, he'll always have the option to discard while playing a spell (only taking 2 damage from Liliana's Caress and only if you have the enchant on the battlefield).

You have many cards that allow you or your opponent to draw and discard cards, but you only have Alms of the Vein to exploit this mechanic, so get rid of those or stick in more madness cards.

The description says "the goal of this deck is to get your opponent as low as possible", but you can't do that quickly by relying only on 4 copies of Liliana's Caress while you'll be recieving lot's of threats and hits. Master of the Feast will for sure get destroyed by any of the thousands removal spells you'll force your opponent to draw, so it won't be dealing too much damage if any.


Suggestions

Let's work on the solution. First of all, you need your deck to have more consistant way to deal damage and you also need to get rid of your opponent's threats until you've reached mid-late game and you can develop your winning mechanics.

  1. Since you have almost no creature, let's take advantage of that so that you can trade one card of yours for many cards of your opponent. Good cards to do this, depending on the money you want to spend are, for example, Drown in Sorrow , Yahenni's Expertise , Languish and Damnation.

  2. You also need to be faster or at least to be able to delay your opponent's strategy. A way of doing this is by disrupting his early moves to wreck his plan. Cards like Inquisition of Kozilek , Thoughtseize , Duress and Despise excell at doing so.

  3. To strenghten the draw and discard engine you have many cards at your disposal. I don't know if you want to keep the deck in the modern format or to build a casual free of legal restriction deck, so I'll recommend a variety of cards like Chains of Mephistopheles , Probe , Wheel and Deal , Ill-Gotten Gains , Urza's Guilt , Anvil of Bogardan , Whispering Madness , Dark Deal , Font of Mythos , Forced Fruition , Geier Reach Sanitarium , Memory Jar and Temple Bell.

  4. You need more cards than Liliana's Caress to punish your opponent for discarding or drawing cards. All of these are good for the task, suit yourself: Underworld Dreams , Psychosis Crawler , Fate Unraveler , Waste Not , Megrim and Words of Waste.

  5. Since you and your opponent will be drawing lots of cards, you will be able to discard cards too or abuse your card-drawing. This does not only work well for madness, but also with delve, retrace and other cards. Consider some of these: Chain of Smog , Last Rites , Big Game Hunter , Raven's Crime , Syphon Life , Cunning Lethemancer , Necrogen Mists , Psychotic Haze , Call to the Netherworld , Dark Withering , Gibbering Descent and also Sphinx's Tutelage.

  6. You'll be forcing your opponent to draw many many cards, so you'll need cards that make him discard more than one to win the trade. Consistant massive discard cards are for example this ones: Brink of Madness , Mindstab , Mind Twist , Mind Shatter or Delirium Skeins.


Which ones and how many

  • Pick the ones you like the most according to their mana costs and their price. Also consider the ammount of black mana symbols in their cost, because you'll be playing a two colors deck.

  • Try to keep it as balanced as you can in terms of cards functions. Maybe 30% draw/discard engine - 30% draw/discard punishment - 20% massive discard - 10% 1drops quality discard - 10% board whipe. You'll have to test and adjust the numbers.

  • I know most of those cards are black, but you can keep it UB if you want to. Best version I've made of this strategy was using Grixis (Blue Black and Red) because there's a lot of red cards that force both players to discard and draw like Burning Inquiry and Reforge the Soul for example. Grixis also enables the use of Nekusar, the Mindrazer , Blightning , Sedraxis Specter , Blazing Specter and Dack Fayden.


I hope it's helpful! Best wishes!

nlidmaster on These Vampires are Mad about Discarding

2 months ago

Madness vampires are one of my favorite decks, but let me give you a few suggestions. Bloodhall Priest was always less impactful than I wanted her to be when I first had her in this deck, I instead replaced her with Falkenrath Aristocrat, who has won me countless games since. Also, Falkenrath Gorger is definitely a card you should consider having 4 of in your deck. Its never not useful. Heir of Falkenrath  Flip is another card to consider. Shes one of my favorite vamps in the deck, and doesnt cause you to fizzle our as quickly as Furyblade Vampire, who requires a discard every turn. Heir has also won me many games. Stensia Masquerade is another card I had in my original deck but never proved as useful as just having more Stromkirk captains. They provide more bodies and an immediate boost in power to our other vampires. Lastly, at least in my meta, Lightning Axe and Dark Withering proved far more useful to have more of in this deck than Alms of the Vein, which is best against burn type decks. Also checkout Big Game Hunter for sideboard options. Hes a lot of fun.

Personal note: in addition to Falkenrath Aristocrat I added Bloodsoaked Champion to provide a sac outlet for her. Hes also an easy discard who you can play later on anyways.

Hope you find my thoughts useful and happy blood sucking!

nlidmaster on Madness Vampires

4 months ago

ZorrosRage thanks for the tips. Im very new to this build having just got the deck yesterday. Im a huge fan of Big Game Hunter and Dark Withering, and will definitely be investing in those.

I love Gifted Aetherborn probably one of my favorite vamps truthfully, but I was trying to limit creatures requiring 2 black mana turn two considering I want to be able to play a red spell turn one. Though if I had better mana base I could probably be fine (money is an issue however). Im fine with stromkirk condemned costing two black mana because I figure he is useful regardless of when hes played, though I suppose aetherborn is too. And bloodghast can be discarded and brought back with landfall.

As for Collective Brutality, well, thats going in my deck right away. I have Stromkirk Captain and will play test him a bunch.

Smuggler's Copter is dope, i just prefer my other two drops for the deck. Call the Bloodline is another card I have and will play test.

Thanks again!

ZorrosRage on Madness Vampires

4 months ago

Why no main deck Collective Brutality?

Gifted Aetherborn is also a solid vampire even with no madness

Thought about Smuggler's Copter? It's a good madness enabler, and flyer. You should test it out. Worked great in a madness build I've done in the past

To keep the theme Dark Withering and Big Game Hunter are solid removal cards to consider

Maybe test 2xCall the Bloodline inStensia Masquerade place.

I enjoyed Call the Bloodline and Stromkirk Captain when I was playing with a madness vampire build a while back

JavuPote on Dredge&Delve

7 months ago

Teniendo en cuenta que la gran mayoria de tus cartas terminan en el cementerio, yo cambiaria los removals por cartas con madness como por ej:

Murderous Compulsion, Dark Withering, Psychotic Episode, Alms of the Vein

en ese sentido, Deepcavern Imp podria reemplazar al Putrid. Aunque tambien Arrogant Wurm o Basking Rootwalla podrian funcionar en su lugar.

El Seal of Doom parece bastante injugable, pero siendo un encantamiento, puede terminar en tu mano con la Commune.

Alguna Mortuary Mire no me parece que este de mas, por si se te cae un Gurmag al cementerio o si te matan la 3/3 vuela.

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