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Creature — Dragon
: Hellkite Igniter gets +X/+0 until end of turn, where X is the number of artifacts you control.
Max_Hammer on Mardu Treasures
5 months ago
Hello friend! I have some suggestions! I had way too much time today, so here you go.
Anointed Procession double the treasures, double the constructs, double the fun.
Inspiring Statuary is going to make all of your spells cheaper without making you sacrifice artifacts.
Oni-Cult Anvil is going to go hand-in-hand with your commander by making all of these tokens.
Grim Hireling does make a lot more treasures, it’s going to be more useful as super annoying removal.
Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast isn’t budget, but one murder a turn is a good deal.
Ghirapur AEther Grid is super good. When you have untapped tokens, why not use them?
Dockside Extortionist makes so many treasures, aaaaah! But, y’know, also stupid expensive.
Seize the Spotlight is a way to hold your opponent’s creatures hostage! And since there are plenty of sacrifice outlets, you can just throw it away after you’re done with it.
Life Insurance, Scion of Opulence, Gadrak, the Crown-Scourge and Pitiless Plunderer both net you tokens for sacrificing creatures (your Commander’s whole thing!!)
The Reaver Cleaver is gold. Yes to all of this. Trample and +1/+1 is alright, but the loads of tokens will be really sweet.
Blood Money is a board wipe, but you get even more treasures afterwards.
Monologue Tax makes three more treasures a round, more or less.
Bolas's Citadel can be a wincon on its own.
Descent into Avernus is some snazzy treasure creation, but also pretty dangerous. Use with care!
Skullport Merchant and Dockside Chef both give plenty of card draw, in exchange for a little mana.
Black Market Connections gives you pretty much whatever you need at the moment.
Ancient Copper Dragon makes a million treasures, plus he's a dragon.
Hoard Hauler can protect a weaker creature that you can’t attack with and still get you more tokens.
Prosperous Partnership is extremely useful when on the defensive. If you must have all of your big bad creatures untapped on your opponent’s combat, then you’re wasting potential! Just marry some of your creatures, they won’t mind.
Trove of Temptation forces your opponents into a potentially uncomfortable position while giving you treasures in the meanwhile.
Storm-Kiln Artist is a good ground defender, since it’ll kill most whatever is thrown at it, but it’ll also make plenty of tokens!
Unexpected Windfall, Inspired Tinkering, Pirate's Pillage, Deadly Dispute, Big Score, and Seize the Spoils are all just draw but with extra token creation.
Fake Your Own Death revives a creature and gives you a treasure.
Contract Killing and Grim Bounty are both murders but with extra tokens, which is very nice.
Sudden Breakthrough is a buff with first strike that makes an extra treasure.
Sticky Fingers gets you tokens when you attack.
Treasure Vault is here for obvious reasons. Pump it with enough mana and you’re set for life.
Ancient Den, Great Furnace, and Vault of Whispers aren’t treasure tokens, but they are artifacts, which is just going to give you a little boost to some of your mechanics and means that you can tutor them with cards that weren’t intended for such.
Mimic, Glittering Stockpile, and Goldhound are all just treasures. Nothing special, but still something to note.
Smoke Spirits' Aid seems useless… Unless you board wipe after. Could be lots of damage and lots of extra treasure.
Undercity Scrounger is okay filler, if you need it.
Frogmite, Lens Flare, Scale of Chiss-Goria, Tooth of Chiss-Goria, Mycosynth Golem, Slag Strider, Furnace Dragon, and Myr Enforcer are all notable cards you could add, since they pretty much become free after a while, though mostly pretty useless.
Forsworn Paladin is pretty good token generation early game, but really shines with the second ability where it can instantly punish anyone blocking or attacking you recklessly.
Marionette Master is going to pack a punch.
Dargo, the Shipwrecker is super cheap for a 7/5 with trample.
Enraged Giant, Freejam Regent, Battle at the Bridge, Saheeli's Directive, Herald of Anguish, and Organic Extinction are all pretty solid additions, since they don’t make you sacrifice anything in exchange for it.
Ruthless Technomancer has a million combos with (like Dockside Extortionist+sac outlet) and is just pretty good on its own.
Leonin Elder is just one life, but when you’re playing a treasure deck, that one life will definitely add up.
Underhanded Designs is a murder or a poke engine, which is very snazzy.
Glaze Fiend is pretty scary, considering that it has trample.
Dragonspark Reactor could be a bit of removal in your back pocket or your wincon.
Arcbound Crusher’s design team didn’t anticipate just how many artifacts I was planning on throwing onto the field.
Professional Face-Breaker is just like Grim Hireling, in that it makes treasure tokens, but more importantly, it gives you something else. You get a load of impulse draw, which is really nice when you have loads of mana.
Magda, Brazen Outlaw is just an artifact tutor, really. Though, there are plenty of treasure loving dragons you could also fish for. (:
Kalain, Reclusive Painter loves treasures, giving everyone big buffs.
Swashbuckler Extraordinaire can give anything that might be sensitive to dying double strike for a big final push. That, or just give one big boy double strike.
Their Number is Legion gets you lots of life and lots of tokens.
Necron Overlord is just a worse Ghirapur, but it’s still gonna hurt.
Street Urchin is the same idea as the above.
Armix, Filigree Thrasher could be some annoying removal, especially early game.
Hellkite Igniter is a big boy that, if left unblocked, could be a one hit kill.
Feedback Bolt is a big, powerful spell. To put it simply: ouch.
Fain, the Broker can make treasures, can make +1/+1’s, and can make little spooky boys. The best type of boys. Great utility and variety overall.
Rain of Riches is big. One cascading spell a turn, whichever one you want? Imagine dropping Feedback Bolt and cascading into Hellkite Igniter.
Captain Lannery Storm is innocent… Until you leave her unblocked like a dummy.
Concussive Bolt can be an easy kill, letting you get as much damage as you want through.
Dispense Justice is just like saying “Fuck your voltron.”
Solarion and Suncrusher both utilize your ability to make any color of mana and are stronger for it.
Digsite Engineer is going to make a lot of big creatures for you.
Flamewright and Sokenzan Smelter are going to make plenty of tiny constructs for you.
Scrapyard Recombiner is a good tutor for you.
Hangarback Walker, Gemini Engine, Traxos, Scourge of Kroog, Scuttling Doom Engine, Crackdown Construct are all just big boys.
Scrap Trawler might be kind of annoying? Idunno how well it would work, I’ll let you judge that.
Adaptive Automaton, Steel Overseer, Alibou, Ancient Witness, Jor Kadeen, the Prevailer, and Chief of the Foundry make all of your boys bigger and scarier.
Epochrasite is great, since you can sacrifice it again and again.
Arcbound Worker and Sparring Construct are both little boys to sacrifice,
Ancient Stone Idol isn’t a construct, it’s a golem, but it makes a construct.
Skittering Surveyor, Manakin, Hedron Crawler, and Millikin are all very good for mana.
Shambling Suit and Slag Fiend are big boys that are really just a massive menace.
Noxious Gearhulk and Chaos Defiler are removals with a big, mean body.
Phyrexian Soulgorger is a big boy. Granted, if you let him live for too long he’ll eat your entire army, but for a little while, especially while you’re pumping out constructs, this is a good deal.
Indulge / Excess makes creature tokens, sure, sure, but mostly makes a lot of treasures.
Shared Animosity will give constructs a boost, but there really isn’t a specific theme across creature types aside from that, and your constructs are better used for chump blocking or just turning them into scrap. Ignore this if you’re going for more of a construct tribal sort of thing.
Fable of the Mirror-Breaker Flip is a good card, don’t get me wrong, but I don’t think it’s really necessary.
Rakdos Charm could be replaced with something better as far as artifact removal or graveyard hate. Nihil Spellbomb would be good graveyard hate and Generous Gift is just a good white staple.
Comet Storm is fun, but Crackle with Power is more fun.
MakeDuders on $50 BUDGET OGNIS
7 months ago
Thanks for the advise everyone! Out of all of the Firebreathing cards recommended, I would say Hellkite Overlord and Hellkite Igniter are my two favorites to add. I had considered adding them in the original 99 but opted against it in fear that they might sit around in my hand, however I really liked them for the flavor/fun factor. After I play at my LGS tomorrow I will probably add these in by cutting a treason card or sacrifice card. I prefer these Firebreathing dragons over the other Firebreathing suggestions because they have haste as well.
I don't know how Crashing Drawbridge didn't make it on my list, it was on my clipboard but got lost in the shuffle. Thanks for the reminder :)
Kret on $50 BUDGET OGNIS
7 months ago
Kret on Kalain Commander build v1.5
7 months ago
Hellkite Igniter -> for a hefty price of 5RR and with a couple of treasures on the battlefield this could one-shot someone on the same turn you play it.
Saljen on Treasure, Dwarves, and Dragons; OH MY!
11 months ago
-1x Dragon's Approach, +1x Darksteel Forge
-1x Brass's Bounty, +1x Mycosynth Lattice
-1x Hellkite Igniter, +1x Akroma's Memorial
LunchBox1211 on dragon tribal is glorious
1 year ago
I would like to say, before I say anything else, that the first few decks people build often have a bunch that could be fixed, so if it seems like I wrote an essay, I'm not trying to be overly critical. My first deck was a mono-white Angel Tribal Lifegain deck that had no real payoff for gaining life. Needless to say, it had a lot that could have been done, and my next deck was one of the Commander Pre-Cons from C18. I'd also like to say that these are just observations.
For cuts, I can see a few. Several of the planeswalkers seem only sort-of related, so you could get away with dropping some of them (like Gideon Blackblade and Ajani Steadfast). I'm not sure why Blackblade Reforged is in. It is great for go tall decks, where you want 1 really big creature (usually made big using equipments and/or auras), but in a go wide deck like this one, I'm not sure if you need it. Plus, dragons are fairly big on their own. | Chaplain's Blessing. I know gaining 5 life might seem good, but I've come to realize that gaining a bunch of life isn't very good without something like Aetherflux Reservoir. And at that point, I think a better option is to build around Aetherflux Reservoir, not dragons. | Not entirely sure what Bag of Holding is doing. | There are a few dragons that don't seem to be doing much, with the way your deck currently is. There doesn't seem to be a lot of instants/sorceries for Backdraft Hellkite get back. There aren't a lot of +1/+1 counter synergies, so Enduring Scalelord isn't doing a ton. There aren't a lot of artifacts, so Hellkite Igniter isn't getting the absurd amount of damage output that I've done with it, myself. It does have haste, but a 5/5 hasty flyer for 7 isn't super great. Unless you can give it deathtouch, most things in commander aren't bothered by Shockmaw Dragon's combat damage trigger. There aren't a lot of 2-colour spells for Niv-Mizzet Reborn to see off the top. | Dictate of Erebos can be brutal, but usually in aristocrat-style decks, where you want your own things to die.
Some other things I've noticed: Crux of Fate is a cheaper Descent of the Dragons that is also one sided. | About the Sarkhan question, I've always thought that Sarkhan the Masterless is kind of funny, and he can act as a deterrent for attacks (or a magnet, depending on board state). | 5 mana counterspells seems nice, but often end up being rather underwhelming, more often than not. | Fight effects (like Clash of Titans) are nice, but in a 5-colour deck, you also have cards like Path to Exile, Bedevil, Anguished Unmaking, Generous Gift, or Chaos Warp, that don't need you to have a big creature, and don't need you to put that creature at risk. | I feel like you could use a bit more ramp. I'd recommend a few of the guild signets from Ravnica, Arcane Signet and Farseek. | The Ur-Dragon was the out-of-the-box Commander for a 5-colour dragon tribal commander deck from C17. Usually he is the head of a dragon tribal deck, but he's still powerful in the 99.
All of this is just my opinion, with my own biases, and I'm still learning a fair bit myself, so take it with a grain of salt. Playtest it, see what works and what doesn't. See what you like, and what you don't. I will admit that I prefer more aggressive play as opposed to a slower, more control heavy style, so that may influence my choices, and I've also been (partially) traumatized by a few planeswalker decks before, so I don't really like them that much (although I do like the concept and design of them).
Lastly, I don't know if you have any pet cards or any cards that you are running because you like them (even if it may be not as good), so if a personal favorite is listed among the cuts, feel free to ignore that. Magic IS about having fun, at the end of the day. And, yes, Dragon Tribal is glorious!
Rivel on Mono red Dragon Deck V2
1 year ago
So I have rambled on and on about my thoughts on all of the different aspects of this deck. In advance, I would like to thank anyone who has taken the time out of their day to read all of these and leave their own thoughts, as that is part of what makes this community great. There aren't many more themes to talk about in the deck. Now, onto win cons. So my main win conditions in the deck are damage from triggers and beating the opponent down with hoards of big dragons (with a third backup wincon with Hellkite Tyrant and Hellkite Igniter).
For damage from triggers I have Where Ancients Tread, Warstorm Surge, Dragon Tempest, Terror of the Peaks, Scourge of Valkas and Panharmonicon. They work great with Lathliss, Dragon Queen due to the tokens she generates when another dragon is played, all activating those damage triggers which can be used to control the board and directly target the opponent's HP pools. Archwing Dragon is a reliable way for the Damage triggers to activate each turn. Summons from Utvara Hellkite, Skyline Despot and Dragonmaster Outcast act as backup token generators for the damage triggers in case our lathliss isn't in play. Demanding Dragon is potentially a free 5 damage to the opponent's face. Drakuseth, Maw of Flames his damage trigger is repeatable every time you attack.
Supporting cards for the first win condition: I do not have any of these three cards in my decklist, as I can't figure out what I want to replace to get them in, but the dream is there. Conjurer's Closet allows you to make a dragon leave and re-enter the field at the end of the turn, triggering all of our ETB effects above. Mirage Mirror allows you to copy one of our pieces above, and you can choose the most beneficial one. It would be nice having two Dragon Tempest in play, especially say if you have 6 dragons on the field, have Mirage Mirror end of turn triggering them and getting free 12 damage to any target you want. If you could fit in a Fiery Emancipation that 12 turns into 36!
The secondary win condition "beat down", with "big" "dragon hoards", is also supported by Lathliss, Dragon Queen due to the big 5/5 token dragons she pumps out. The "dragon hoard" part is also supported by cards such as Utvara Hellkite, Skyline Despot, Dragonmaster Outcast as they all generate plenty of dragons. Now the "big" part comes from my anthems that buff my dragons Crucible of Fire, Gauntlet of Power, The Immortal Sun, and Vanquisher's Banner, as well as several dragons that are all pumpable to make them and/or their fellow dragons hit harder. Moonveil Dragon, Scourge of Valkas, Moltensteel Dragon and lastly Lathliss, Dragon Queen. Now, the fun part of my secondary win condition, "beat down" comes into play. Dragons such as Scourge of the Throne and Hellkite Charger allow you to take an extra combat turn, allowing you to really bash in your opponent's face with your big dragon hoard :)
Supporting cards for the secondary win condition: Terror of Mount Velus gives all of your dragon's double strike. Thundermaw Hellkite allows you to tap your opponent's fliers, allowing your dragons through. Drakuseth, Maw of Flames allows you to potentially shoot down any small fliers blocking your path. Cards I would like to put in: Fervor, Anger and Akroma's Memorial would allow any dragons that enter the field to have haste (with akroma adding a slew of goodies and protection). Door of Destinies could allow you to grow your dragons even more. Gratuitous Violence and Fiery Emancipation would allow you to double and triple your damage. Rage Reflection granting double strike would be nice. I would prioritize Fervor, Anger and Akroma's Memorial, as haste is such a beautiful thing, as it helps make up for lost time due to how expensive your dragons can be. I am not sure what I need to remove to fit them into the deck.
Lastly, Hellkite Tyrant is a pretty nifty dragon, acting as a potential win condition on its own. My deck has plenty of artifacts as is, and I typically play against 2-3 (sometimes even more) opponents in a game. Reaching the 20 artifacts owned is doable, the hard part would be keeping it, the artifacts, and yourself alive until it is once more your turn (Suddenly that wall of text I wrote on protection is looking a lot more appealing). Another fun synergy with that is Hellkite Igniter, if that can sneak on by you can pump its damage insanely high due to all of the artifacts! Need to see about getting some haste in the deck to help it connect...
Thanks all for reading!
Wolffang988 on Prosper Focus on Treasure
1 year ago
Looks like a good deck so far! I helped a friend in my playgroup build a Prosper deck pretty recently and some of the cards we ended up going with were Twinflame, Dualcaster Mage, Hellkite Igniter and Disciple of the Vault. Twinflame and Dualcaster Mage go infinite (as you would cast Twinflame targeting a creature and then flash in Dualcaster Mage targeting the Twinflame and have the copy of Twinflame target Dualcaster Mage to repeat the cycle endlessly), and combined with Storm-Kiln Artist that also creates infinite treasures! Disciple of the Vault was thrown in for added life drain off sacrificing treasures and Hellkite Igniter is a sleeper hit because you can pump its ability a couple times while you have a good number of treasures and smack somebody off the board
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