Vial Smasher the Fierce
Legendary Creature — Goblin Berserker
Whenever you cast the first spell each turn, Vial Smasher the Fierce deals damage equal to the spell's converted mana cost to an opponent chosen at random.
Partner (You can have two commanders if both have partner.)
|Want (2)||Lelandtora , elerosse|
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|Commander 2016 (C16)||Mythic Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
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Vial Smasher the Fierce Discussion
1 month ago
So, I recently played against a Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy deck with my Yisan, the Wanderer Bard deck and ended up feeling very triggered when they won turn 4. I understand that everyone is trying to win, but I digress.
I then wondered if switching to a disruptive deck (rather than my adaptive one) could help.
Now obviously, I could play something like Baral, Chief of Compliance, but that just doesn't seem to have... the oomph I'm looking for. It needs to be a bit more... diabolical for my tastes.
And by that, I mean, rather than countering everything, blowing up lands, artifacts, creatures, enchantments, so much so, that winning is not the priority, but making that person trying to win turn 4 suffer.
I would assume Gruul would be perfect for this, however, there are currently no good (at least not competitive) Gruul commanders.
So, my question is, what would you all recommend?
1 month ago
Ol' Pipes isn't ever going to be played outside of hyper-budget brews and CMR limited. Why? Because why on earth would you take him rather than a partner of the color you want that has... actual rules text? You wouldn't. If I'm in Orzhov and I want to be Mardu, I'll get Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder or Vial Smasher the Fierce. Cards that aren't 3/3s for 5 with no text.
1 month ago
Trying to solve the format:
Now, why Yidris? Yes, Atraxa, Praetors' Voice is in the right colors, however it is much more expensive to switch from these decklists in that way. Neither Tymna nor Thrasios is in the Atraxa Precon (As seen on Atraxa Precon (Reference)), and Yidris has Thrasios, Triton Hero (Yidris Precon), and when it comes down to it, most importantly are the sultai colors of the pairing, so the manabase isn't incredibly difficult to swap, etc.
Now down to the deck's evolution. While starting with Yidris for it's value is smart, moving quickly over to change out for a Thrasios, Triton Hero/Vial Smasher the Fierce once you make a few dollars, adding in the main engines that drive this archetype. Thassa's Oracle isn't incredibly expensive, however Demonic Consultation/Tainted Pact are certainly not cheap anymore. This means that the best wincons are going to be more controling, and I recommend moving to Vial Smasher as a main wincon.
Keen Sense and Curiosity effects are honestly not a huge investment, and can add a lot of consistency and ability to turn the list into a Curious Control style deck very fast. That can be cheap switches, like Notion Thief, Dig Through Time, and Treasure Cruise to add additional damage and value throughout the game, and just adding some extra cheap countermagic and mana dorks to get them out early and the deck looks really efficient.
Remember, this list already has good synergies for this strategy. Obviously ramp + Thrasios is busted, that's why Thrasios, Triton Hero is so expensive. Just tossing in Vial Smasher as a backup wincon to any number of decent budget threats, some cheap board wipes (think Languish) and some effective removal and the list hits really hard as a strong control deck, easily able to win some games for that cash prize. Being a strongly upgradeable deck, one that gets incredibly powerful on a budget if you have the precon, and also being great out of the box is why this strategy is so good.
Remember for those that wanted Atraxa, or the 5c Dragon deck and wanted to upgrade those to the higher tiers for their manabase, they have to cut tons of dragon and +1/+1 synergies over time, while this deck ran cards like Windfall and Decimate and Burgeoning and signets, Fellwar Stone, Commander's Sphere, etc. Our deck just ran the good cards irrespective of strategy, letting us change out individual cards rather than the whole deck.
Now upgrading the manabase, individual cards, turning more into a curious control deck, perfectly balance in the competitive scenes, hopefully smoking the competition in the early-mid tiers of this format, moving to the Oracle/Consult lines, and tuning will get you far, but make sure you know when enough is enough, as this plateaus with enough money pretty fast, don't go out of your way to get shocks and even mid budget cards (5+ dollars or maybe even less) that can't be used for the Tymna the Weaver side of things. Start looking to upgrade the ramp, interaction, etc. and look to save up store credit to get Tymna the Weaver.
Perhaps prepare by getting manabase that works for both, think fetches at a certain point where either decklist has a use for it, as you upgrade to the best deck of the format, this will be a budgeted version obviously, but even a City of Brass is a great card that just does work for either deck. Getting cheap enablers like Avacyn's Pilgrim, Drannith Magistrate, Aven Mindcensor to replace the Keen Sense style effects from Vial Smasher aren't too expensive, so make sure you are ready to swap cards as you swap commanders. Now work on a bit of manabase fixing and the deck is really ready.
The decklists below look to show where to take the Vial Smasher and Tymna variants on a budget, both based off of some of the cards it would have been expected to have gotten! I personally went for the Dramatic Reversal/Isochron Scepter plan first while testing, as it wasn't overly expensive, and adding in a ton of dorks and rocks for the list was both cheaper than many people might expect, and really really useful when wanting to both have a strong lategame (Thrasios is busted) and also allows for the backup wincon backdooring Thrasios into a Jace/Oracle win!
Commander / EDH
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Taking the above decklist, refining it for Tymna the Weaver and reposting a similar list and we have the following below:
Commander / EDH
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Now, not only are both of these good budget cEDH decks, but they are specifically in the mindset of this format, being the optimal upgrade path to a cEDH list from this mindset, and being the most competitive upgrade path possible, hopefully dominating the format.
Now obviously some people will enjoy the Iso-Rev combo, may move to Power Artifact style stuff after a few hundred wins, whatever floats your boat. I already own duals from store credit in EDH games I run cEDH decks in sanctioned by the store, so it is possible, just depending on the length of the season. Again, my store has a system where each player pays 5 dollars, and gets a 5 dollar coin, they can play in one of two types of pods, one where each player keeps the coin, or the other where people give it to the winner. Under this system, with a $20 allowance per win, assuming 1 win per week you get to build up these lists in roughly 8 weeks based on my estimates.
Make sure to use heavily played cards, discount codes, etc. to get it done even faster! Also, look into other upgrade paths to solve this format, while I tested every list and saw what was closest to the top tier, there may be much more efficient lists early on, so try to get a system to beat this one!
Thank you RNR_Gaming for this challenge, it was super fun to try to solve, and I look forward to perhaps testing my theory in person and crushing everyone xD
1 month ago
This depends on the metagame heavily, however I love certain ones for some reasons, imagine using Rune of Protection: Red with Heartless Hidetsugu! Personally, Red and Green are my favorites, as Red for the previous reason and Green helps mediate Triumph of the Hordes and Craterhoof Behemoth!
Also, with a Vial Smasher the Fierce, Nekusar, big fireball, etc. Red is really strong, not just mono-red!
2 months ago
Vial Smasher the Fierce is a ton of fun, partner with a green based commander and you will have a vary similar early game of ramp but from there it's just cast big spells (lots of instants and flash helps too with the Rewind ability even better) to just randomly toss damage around. the how you win/what you do is all up to you and random card draw.
2 months ago
JRaynor Thank you for the thoughts. I'm glad to receive some feedback from a fellow x-spells lover.
Let me explain my thoughts on Fumigate and Time Wipe; I chose these two spells over others for specific reasons. First, in my playgroup, there are multiple creature-heavy decks, with multiple relying significantly on amassing some sort of creature tokens. Fumigate allows me to wipe the board and often provides me with a large influx of life when needed most. This incidental life gain, at the cost of one more mana compared to board wipes like Wrath of God and Damnation, makes it worth-while.
Next, Time Wipe, although it is a bit hard to cast at times, can be a complete power-house when combined with cards like Hydroid Krasis, Gadwick, the Wizened, or Lifeblood Hydra. Time Wipe allows me to bounce one of those creatures and cast them later for even more mana and advantage. Additionally, it can save some of my key creatures, such as Golos, Tireless Pilgrim, for future use. So, although these board wipes are definitely off-theme, I believe their potential value is well worth it. However, now that you mention it, I will revisit some of those other removal cards.
Vial Smasher the Fierce is sort of a pet card of mine. I already have a Vial Smasher the Fierce and Thrasios, Triton Hero deck and have used the pair as an x-spells deck in the past. Although it could be more consistent, I really do enjoy the white cards in this deck. Maybe I will have to reconsider the pair. With this being said, if I were to trim a color, it would probably be white to keep the red x-spells and support cards.
Finally, I do not have another 5-color deck, and this one fills that void neatly. I could, probably, make this deck more consistent by removing some of the unnecessary x-spells and focusing more of the mana-doubling/ramping aspect of the deck with select x-spells to win with. Maybe even remove a color, like you've suggested. But, as it sits now, I do not think I need to make this deck more powerful.
I greatly appreciate your feedback, and you've sparked my interest in re-brewing this deck. Who knows, maybe I just need to run two lists. I couldn't possibly say no to more Magic cards.
2 months ago
I think you really need to find room for Vial Smasher the Fierce somewhere in the deck. If you look at the art he's literally a suicide bomber.
2 months ago
thegigibeastShaperSavant LabManiac_Sigi With how the C16 Partner commanders are listed, if a Tier 1 Like Thrasios, Triton Hero is Partnered with a Tier 1.5 like Vial Smasher the Fierce would that make the deck into a 1.75 as far as Power level? I am just curious on how those have been determined for their placement.