- 1x Academy Ruins
- 1x Adarkar Wastes
- 1x Ancient Den
- 1x Arcane Sanctum
- 1x Arid Mesa
- 1x Blood Crypt
- 1x Boseiju, Who Shelters All
- 1x Cavern of Souls
- 1x Caves of Koilos
- 1x Command Tower
- 1x Crumbling Necropolis
- 1x Flooded Strand
- 1x Glimmervoid
- 1x Godless Shrine
- 1x Great Furnace
- 1x Hallowed Fountain
- 1x Inventors' Fair
- 1x Island
- 1x Marsh Flats
- 1x Mountain
- 1x Mystic Monastery
- 1x Nomad Outpost
- 1x Plains
- 1x Polluted Delta
- 1x Sacred Foundry
- 1x Seat of the Synod
- 1x Shivan Reef
- 1x Steam Vents
- 1x Swamp
- 1x Underground River
- 1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
- 1x Vault of Whispers
- 1x Watery Grave
- 1x Aetherflux Reservoir
- 1x Altar of the Brood
- 1x Ashnod's Altar
- 1x Azorius Signet
- 1x Basalt Monolith
- 1x Chromatic Lantern
- 1x Dimir Signet
- 1x Izzet Signet
- 1x Krark-Clan Ironworks
- 1x Lightning Greaves
- 1x Mana Crypt
- 1x Mindslaver
- 1x Nim Deathmantle
- 1x Orzhov Signet
- 1x Rakdos Signet
- 1x Rings of Brighthearth
- 1x Sculpting Steel
- 1x Sensei's Divining Top
- 1x Skullclamp
- 1x Sol Ring
- 1x Spine of Ish Sah
- 1x Sword of the Meek
- 1x Thopter Foundry
- 1x Time Sieve
- 1x Anguished Unmaking
- 1x Cyclonic Rift
- 1x Dispatch
- 1x Enlightened Tutor
- 1x Muddle the Mixture
- 1x Mystical Tutor
- 1x Path to Exile
- 1x Sphinx's Revelation
- 1x Vampiric Tutor
- 1x Arcum Dagsson
- 1x Disciple of the Vault
- 1x Eldrazi Displacer
- 1x Felidar Guardian
- 1x Goblin Welder
- 1x Grand Architect
- 1x Padeem, Consul of Innovation
- 1x Phyrexian Metamorph
- 1x Purphoros, God of the Forge
- 1x Reckless Fireweaver
- 1x Restoration Angel
- 1x Sharuum the Hegemon
- 1x Sydri, Galvanic Genius
- 1x Thopter Assembly
- 1x Wurmcoil Engine
- 1x Zulaport Cutthroat
- 1x Bitter Ordeal
- 1x Demonic Tutor
- 1x Diabolic Revelation
- 1x Diabolic Tutor
- 1x Grim Tutor
- 1x Open the Vaults
- 1x Vandalblast
- 1x Vindicate
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I'd recommend Mana Crypt, but if sol ring is banned, there's a good chance that's banned too.
Other than that just make sure you have at least Chromatic Lantern and 2 signets, possibly more. I have 4 and even considering adding 1-2 more.
June 19, 2017 8:06 a.m.
I just picked up a copy of Aetherworks Marvel for my Meren deck, but I think I'll try it out in Breya first.
Being a combo oriented deck that often sacrifices permanents, getting the energy with the Marvel alone doesn't seem like a stretch, and it will dig through the deck faster in order to assemble some of the combos in there faster.
I am still not sure if it in deed helps fastening the clock or if it instead makes the deck diverge from its main plans, but given that players get to know the main combos after a few games and know how to interact, the Marvel will definitely become better in those games, helping us string combos after combos faster in case our opponents can stop one or two. I've already lost count to how many times I've won out of the godsent topdeck that completed one combo. In theory Marvel will strongly reinforce those probabilities.
Has any of you tried it yet?
June 19, 2017 5:19 p.m.
I have Spine of Ish Sah in my Breya deck and I was running the Sharuum the Hegemon, Nim Deathmantle , Krark-Clan Ironworks combo with Sol Ring on the field producing infinite colorless mana. That allowed me to sack the Spine of Ish Sah to KCI and cast it over and over. I also had out the Shimmer Myr to allow me to flash the Spine of Ish Sah. I have also pulled this off with a Venser, the Sojourner emblem on the field.
June 20, 2017 12:03 a.m.
Just wondering on this, I've been playing Sharuum for a long while but I'm planning to switch up to Breya... but one of the biggest confusing points for me is the usage of the signet filters. I get that the deck produces a lot of colorless mana but wouldn't using something like Thran Dynamo or Gilded Lotus be better than using the filters (Boros Signet, Azorius Signet, Orzhov Signet, etc..)?
June 20, 2017 12:53 a.m.
June 20, 2017 1:11 a.m.
How is Sharuum the Hegemon + Krark-Clan Ironworks + Nim Deathmantle a combo?You would need another way to repeatedly create 2 mana for each loop to activate Nim deathmantle. Sol ring doesn't untap each time you do it.
Am I missing something?
I've also been wondering about this.Moreso about adding in Lotus and Dynamo vs cutting the signets, can never have too much ramp in a non-green deck.
As for Dictate and Pact, I don't run either. My reasoning is that my meta already knows most breya combos and a lot run token decks, so in order for that to be really effective I would need an infinite loop to make all opponents sac everything, which by that point i would rather just have Reckless Fireweaver or Disciple of the Vault out and win :)
.I would say play around with it and see if you need it.
June 20, 2017 7:10 a.m.
OMG, nevermind canderson107 i figured it out lolIt actually works with any non-token artifact card instead of sol ring for infinite ETB/LTB loops so just add in disciple or purphoros and you've won.
June 20, 2017 7:24 a.m.
How about Vela the Night-Clad in place of one of the smaller ETB monsters? It serves a bigger body, but I could see the higher mana cost being a detractor. It's nice though because her effect will win the game on blink chains as well.
June 20, 2017 11:07 a.m.
I have never thought about Vela due to the mana cost, but she in fact provides some safer redundancy. I don't think the "average" Breya deck needs it, especially since Purphoros, God of the Forge is cheaper and harder to deal with, but I can see why someone would be inclined to try her out as well. It strongly depends on the meta and how your playgroup understand your strategy.
As for Grave Pact and Dictate of Erebos, the in Grave Pact is the reason why it is way worse than Dictate of Erebos in any Breya deck. I have trouble playing it out sometimes in my Marchesa, the Black Rose deck and that's one fewer color to mess up the mana base. Besides, with all the Ashnod's Altars and Krark-Clan Ironworks and other ways to generate colorless mana in Breya, the extra mana in Dictate won't matter that often. IMO that's not a question of Flash being worth the extra mana, more a question of "Can you actually cast a spell often and reliably?". But like Jpegwun said, those are cards that will slowly keep your opponents choked out of the game (if they're on creature decks), rather than win you the game right away. Again, it depends on meta, but I don't run nor feel the need to run them, either
June 20, 2017 2:37 p.m.
Good point too.I even cut marionette master in favor of purphoros, so I can't see myself putting Vela in.
June 20, 2017 2:59 p.m.
Yeah, I figured that might be the case with Grave Pact, I was actually really surprised the deck didn't run Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth also since it's been a major mana fixer in my deck for a long while. I guess Mycosynth Lattice generally deals with most of those problems anyway though.
As for Vela the Night-Clad, I was only considering it because I didn't have most of the other combo starters yet, I just picked up everything except the disciple though so I may try her over Reckless Fireweaver since the effect is the closest for now, but I could understand the bigger body not really making a huge difference.
June 20, 2017 5:35 p.m.
Reckless fireweaver is like .50$ for 4 of them. I'd say just get 4 from card kingdom d:
June 20, 2017 5:43 p.m.
LOL yeah, I actually picked up a foil one from my LGS earlier, I didn't quite get what you guys meant about Purphoros, God of the Forge making Vela the Night-Clad unnecessary until I really thought about the fact that he's probably clearing the field to eliminate any need for intimidate so with that I just dropped Vela for Reckless Fireweaver.
One more thing I'm wondering, I'm missing a few very core combo components still and I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on similar replacements to fill their spots until I could pick up the more expensive pieces. Things I'm missing still are:
Rings of Brighthearth - No idea on a possible replacement / Dat price tag
Krark-Clan Ironworks - No idea on a possible replacement / LGS didn't have it
Nim Deathmantle - No idea on a possible replacement / LGS didn't have it
Mana Echoes - No idea on a possible replacement / LGS didn't have it
June 20, 2017 6:58 p.m.
It looks like I might be able to use Panharmonicon as a cheap replacement for Rings of Brighthearth at least until I can afford it. I think Whir of Invention might be a decent replacement for Vampiric Tutor also rather than using Fabricate
June 20, 2017 8:19 p.m.
Replacement, sure. But it doesn't combo, as far as I know at least (and as far as i care to look into right now lol)
June 20, 2017 8:54 p.m.
As far as I understand Panharmonicon should allow you to trigger twice Purphoros, God of the Forge, Reckless Fireweaver, or any of the other ETB guys abilities, including Breya, Etherium Shaper. So it should work as a suitable replacement for now.
June 20, 2017 8:59 p.m.
Zulaport Cutthroat for Blood artist.
Rings, yeah there's really no replacement.
Krark clan - Ashnod's Altar fairly cheap if i recall, and it's required in the deck anyway. Unless you have that already. Note, phyrexian altar does not work, it only adds 1.
Anguished unmaking isn't necessary, just go with the removal package that suits your playgroup, just don't try to be too spikey lol.
Diabolic revelation - you could try Stroke of Genius if you're primarily using the Revelation to draw your deck, but overall it will be better than stroke of genius because if you can't draw your deck you can probably tutor for 3 or 4 cards.
I don't think fabricate is very expensive, actually. And it's actually not in this decklist. I did have it in mine but it was always too high of cmc to tutor and actually play the card on the same turn, late game its still great, but early combo wins it wasn't as good.Personally, i LOVE Lim-Dul's Vault (and it's fairly cheap if i recall correctly)
Why i don't see this card being put into more dimir decks is beyond me.
It lets you search for your preferred top 5 cards at the cost of 1 life each time AND put them in any order you want!
Oh, and did I mention it's at instant speed?! I really don't know why more people don't play this card.
if its not the cost mainly and the lack of availability i'd honestly just say to get the cards online, you'll probably find them cheaper anyways.
As for the others, I really have no clue, they're kind of essential to the main combo game plan.
June 20, 2017 9:04 p.m.
I would look up the rulings, I'm not that familiar with it, I did plan to put it in, but when I laid out my combos, it wasn't doing much else other than comboing with a few certain cards. It doesn't work with certain combos but does with others. Like the Original deckbuilder said above, it's best to try to keep the cards as multimodal as possible if you can.If not, then yeah go for it, if your a combo deck. it won't make that much difference if it actually combos, but if it doesn't then just make sure it doesn't and don't just claim it does then get 'caught' "cheating" because it was a misunderstanding or something, you know?
June 20, 2017 9:06 p.m.
I have a those cards you mentioned. I was just sharing my experience from Monday night. Sharuum the Hegemon can be quite nasty.
June 21, 2017 2:41 a.m.
NO! Don't apologize! You pointed out yet another combo within the many combos in this deck lmao
Sharuum is very nasty, she just does work.
June 21, 2017 7:15 a.m.
Where you using Nim Deathmantle on Sharuum the Hegemon as well? or am I missing a part of it? I get that tapping Sol Ring and saccing Sol Ring and Sharuum the Hegemon to Krark-Clan Ironworks gives and returns both if you have Nim Deathmantle in play and pay with a remainder of each time, am I understanding that right?
June 21, 2017 7:53 p.m.
If that's a question for me, no. I didn't use nim deathmantle in my old sharuum deck, as far as i remember, it was almost 4 years ago..so.
you got it bud
All 4 in play. You tap sol ring, add 2, sac sol ring, add 2, now you're at 4, sac sharuum, nim deathmantle trigger on the stack, krark clan adds 2, you have 6, return sharuum, you have 2, use sharuum to return sol ring.
It also works with mana vault or mana crypt or any other artifact that adds 2. And thran dynamo, but who plays that ? pshh. it costs 4 ;)
sorry for the lack of [card names]'s for card images. its late lol
June 21, 2017 11:06 p.m.
LOL I still love Thran Dynamo and Gilded Lotus. I've been playing them forever so it's hard to just toss them out and trust that the filter signets will be sufficient mana ramp. I picked up my Rings of Brighthearth today though, so I'm set to run Basalt Monolith just not sure about dropping the money on Power Artifact or Mana Crypt.
June 22, 2017 3:50 a.m.
Yeah I hear you, i have certain pet cards too. lol
Luckily, Rhystic Study is already in here ;)
Nice!I don't have power artifact, I don't think its 'necessary' honestly? idk. 2 card combos feel good, but 3 crd combos feel better to me for having to work a little more and not pissing off my playgroup, plus there's already so,so,so many mana combos in this deck. and to add 1 90 card that interacts with 1 other card isn't worth it to me.
Now, mana crypt? It's just an investment overall, because if you end up taking apart your breya 3 years from now, mana crypt will always be great. It'll always want to be put into any deck that doesn't have a ton of green.
But use your judgment. can you buy 1 mana crypt or 10 more cards that you need to finish the deck?
If it's the latter, then i'd say skip mana crypt for now.
It's like mishra's workshop (to a lesser extent)
I don't EVER see myself justifying spending 1,000$ on a land.
Gaea's cradle? Yeah, maybe i could see that, but 1,000$? Hell no. For me personally.
June 22, 2017 6:50 a.m.
My brother even had mana crypt in his Saffi Eriksdotter combo deck years ago.
Was playing green, had plenty of mana ramp, but mana crypt is just that good lol
June 22, 2017 6:51 a.m.
So, I don't have Vampiric Tutor. I feel like I'll probably pick it up somewhere along the lines, along with Mana Crypt on your suggestions. I'm really wondering on what to replace Vampiric Tutor with though. Originally I assumed Fabricate would be fine, but then I found Whir of Invention and felt like it was a decent trade off for that spot. I'm only wondering if Steelshaper's Gift might not be a better choice for me since it would allow easy access to either Nim Deathmantle, Sword of the Meek, or Lightning Greaves. Just wondering on what the general opinion was on this?
June 23, 2017 1:16 a.m.
Idk about everyone else, but i don't like Steelshaper's gift in non voltron decks. It's main purpose is to get an equipment. Yeah some combo pieces are equipments but fabricate is much better. As for whir of invention vs fabricate, originally i'd side with fabricate, but..i guess it depends on what you're tutoring. essentially its the same thing, but fabricate lets you hold the artifact for future plays if you dont feel its safe to play it after you've tutored. but i could see whir of invention being useful for a "i win this turn" card.
June 23, 2017 8:30 a.m.
Yeah, the other thing I was thinking too was that Whir of Invention is instant speed, so you could hold mana and drop it at the end of your last opponent's turn and then setup the combo on your following turn.
June 23, 2017 11:11 a.m.
Hey i was looking at something if i was to put in panharmonicon since i cant use sol ring and i was to use it with the breya infinite mana combo i would be able to do inginte mana and infinete thopters at the same time right not to mention the ETB triggers with other cards its possible to make even more combos
June 23, 2017 2:07 p.m.
You could do that yeah! Also fabricate does force you to reveal it so it wouldn't be a secret game winning play anymore. BUT, it could also be a trick play.
Say you have agame winning combo in hand, play fabricate, search a combo piece, cast it and try to bait out a counter spell or removal spell. Just a thought.
I mean, really both could be good it just depends on the situation you know?
June 23, 2017 2:07 p.m.
Personally, i think im gonna add propaganda, ghostly prison, maybe darksteel forge, and some other stuff like supreme verdict and maybe 1-2 more boardwipes and targeted removal. My meta plays wayyyy too many creatures for me to just sit back and assemble my combo.I played against maelstrom wanderer last night in a 2 headed giant. I got blown away.
What will i cut for those cards? well, thats hard to say. I'm thinking maybe restoration angel first, simply because it only works with felidar guardian, and then possibly felidar guardian because it works with saheeli rai only if at that point i have taken out resto angel.
Surprisingly mana echoes actually works with thopter foundry, sword of the meek + 1 mana, breya and eldrazi displacer, and of course felidar guardian and saheeli rai, but thats getting redundant at that point.
It could work with other stuff too, like sharuum combo or something else, but i feel like infinite mana isn't always the best thing because it doesnt actually win you the game. You still have to use that mana with a wincon of some sort.
So given that, mana echoes will probably stay in my build.
But this is all just fine tuning to your meta. If you get blown out like i did then having 40+ combos doesn't mean if you go from 39 life to 3 in one turn lol
June 23, 2017 2:14 p.m.
doesn't mean jack lolis what i meant to say about having 40+ combos
June 23, 2017 2:16 p.m.
HELL, i'm even considering memnarch lol
I had out almost a full combo on board last night playing with a partner mono blue counterspell deck.I had mycosynth lattice, he had out extraplanar lense, gauntlet of power, all the like.
My turn was gonna consist of dropping krark clan and win. but then, THEN..he draws memnarch, plays it. with his bajillion mana just asks the 2 opponents "how many lands do you guys have?" "ummm 8 or nine i thi-NOPE YOU HAVE ZERO IM TAKING THEM ALL! lmao it was the best
June 23, 2017 2:23 p.m.
Well u could also use it with the felidar saheeli combo and just add breya and impact tremors or reckless fireweaver infinite damage and the damage is doubled thanks to panharmonicon
June 23, 2017 2:23 p.m.
And plus with the combo i mentioned before it has a wincon sac the thopters with the mana to breya to deal damage
June 23, 2017 2:28 p.m.
So I was thinking about Panharmonicon as well in place of Rings of Brighthearth, but in the end rings are just too good to leave out considering all the things they work with. After I added it all up, there were only around 5-6 cards that Panharmonicon really interacts well with in the deck and given how lean the deck is otherwise it just felt like it would end up being a dead draw most times EVEN with how good it is with Purphoros, God of the Forge and Breya, Etherium Shaper alone.
In terms of the infinite mana situation, I don't have Mana Echoes yet... and it has spiked up on tcgplayer, so it'll probably be a few weeks before I look to pick it up (It went from $10 on low to $25 on low because there were no longer any in stock so I'm not sure if it popped up in legacy or vintage recently and spiked in popularity or if it's just EDH players buying them up). Anyway, I decided to add Blue Sun's Zenith to the deck as someone suggested above, because if you draw it and need a combo piece it's a reusable draw spell... if you already have infinite mana set up, it's a reusable way to deck out another player at the table. It seemed really good.
June 23, 2017 10:40 p.m.
Well with the combo u do it so u can do like a billion thopters and mana but u will have to wait till next turn then u can sac some thopters and then use breya to deal damage
June 23, 2017 11:41 p.m.
And no i was talking about panharmonicon not memnarch
June 23, 2017 11:45 p.m.
Well look i cant use sol ring since its banned here and i dont know wat other artifact i could put in or any other card to make the deck good still
June 23, 2017 11:47 p.m.
both r also band also i thought of a proper way to turn that combo into a wincon panharmonicon + breya + nim deathmantle + krark-clan ironworks + lightning greaves i know its alot for the combo but it still works it can be a infinite mana/thopter/life/damage and can also be used for board wiping
June 24, 2017 8:47 a.m.
Yeah go for that. or just try to assemble your nim deathmantle krark clan/ashnod's altar combo.
For mana rocks, there are plemty outside of sol ring, crypt or vault.
Check this out.http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/edh-mana-rocks/
Personally, i love chromatic lantern in anything over 2 colors.
I also like when people play cards like mind stone, very flexible, coalition relic, or thran dynamo, although its a mid-late game ramp.
June 24, 2017 9:31 a.m.
btw, you wouldn't need panharmonicon and lightning greaves unless you have played breya and lost 1 of the tokens before playing nim deathmantle / eldrazi displacer and krark clan/ashnods altar.
I like to attempt to always play breya at the most viable time in the game. if i absolutely need to chump block ill play breya but if i can survive a few turns and have the combo in hand ill drop the pieces first then cast breya last, unless of course i'm playing against a blue deck that i know has many counterspells. Then i'll play breya as early as possible.
Maybe thats the wrong play but it seems to work for me in my group.
June 24, 2017 9:34 a.m.
ok then so should i maybe forget panharmonicon and add in one of the maybe board cards or something?
June 24, 2017 10:02 a.m.
one of the maybeboard cards on this list? Idk if they'd work with your decklist, do you have the list up?
It really depends on your list and your meta.
If you don't have a decent targeted removal package i would add in a dispatch, swords, or path to exile. to take care of the certain cards that may hinder your combo.
but again it really depends, give it a shot, tweak it, tweak it more. Edh decks can never be and will never be "perfect" ;) they're always changing.
June 24, 2017 10:18 a.m.
well im building this pretty much except for mishra's workshop im gonna have ancient tomb and sol ring maybe i could use obelisk of grixis since there is alot of spells here that need either 2 black,blue or red as for the meta here i know 1 deck is another combo deck but thats about it
June 24, 2017 10:22 a.m.
Then yeah go for that and tweak it from there once you learn of others decks.
I have i think 3 double black cards, 4 double blue, 1 double white and 1 double red, so i've tried to broaden my artifacts to hit the colors easier.
June 24, 2017 11:21 a.m.
I have everything but the power artifact. Should I just add another land ? And y no pilla palla ? Ur already playing architect
June 26, 2017 5:19 p.m.
So, Power Artifact is really only intended to combo with Basalt Monolith's untap ability to create infinite colorless mana, which Rings of Brighthearth already does as well so it's just redundancy. I'd say you can kinda replace it with anything that would work well with anything else in the deck keeping with the highly synergistic combo theme. (I chose Blue Sun's Zenith for an additional win con/draw device)
I don't think there is any reason Pili-Pala was cut, I just think it's that the deck already has plenty of very efficient mana combos... as discussed above you could easily run Pili-Pala over Power Artifact if you wanted to.
Anointed Procession seems pretty good, I'd say there is enough token focus in the deck to be worthwhile, just depends on how you feel about it.
Good luck, hoped this helped.
June 29, 2017 1:04 p.m.
I love it, +1'd, my good sir. Bravo!
July 2, 2017 12:22 p.m.
After more testing I found that open the vaults Boros signet and orzhov signet were good but when replaced with mox opal grim monolith and mana crypt the deck just goes crazy so much faster. Also having another juicy target for power artifact is very nice
July 6, 2017 9:17 a.m.
Mana crypt is simply amazing..should be in most edh decks imoAlthough with some combos you don't even need it lolI just won on turn 5 at a tournament with mana vault, 4 lands, saheeli rai in hand and i lim dul's vault'ed on opponents end of turn until i hit felidar guardian ;)
Yep, i missed a land drop and still got there lol
July 6, 2017 10:16 p.m.
So, I'm running Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth in my list and the only thing I worry about is that it helps fix my opponents more than it helps fix me. Honestly, there aren't any really hard spells to hit in the deck where urborg would really help much. I still have it in for lack of something better currently though.
July 10, 2017 1:34 a.m.
I have the opposite problem. I woudn't be able to figure out what to cut for it.As I have all 10 fetches, 1 of each basic, all colored artifact lands, and all 6 shock lands.
And yes, it does fix your opponents, however i have had a few certain times where I had enough land drops but still needed, say, 3 black in order to pull off a certain combo, maybe because 2 combo pieces had 3 symbols in them.Just a thought.It's not a cheap card to just buy and then not use you know so.
July 10, 2017 6:07 a.m.
Take a look at my mana base in my breya deck. Maybe it can help you Jpegwun
July 10, 2017 8:24 a.m.
Well hey there again Hockeyguy
You haven't put your breya deck on here yet :p
July 10, 2017 9:16 a.m.
Truth, I'm not really big on those cycling duals. They seem okay, but I'd rather have shocks. I REALLY need to get my hands on an Ancient Tomb though, Temple of the False God really isn't a very good substitute.
I've never been a big fan of City of Brass either. The idea of paying a life everytime I need to tap out is kinda worrysome.
July 10, 2017 12:52 p.m.
No temple is not a great substitute for ancient tomb especially when you would be wanting to win before you have 5 lands out most times lol
Yeah, i mean it could be. But if you're comboing off so quick it doesnt matter. I 'lim dul's vault'ed for 16 in my last game to find felidar guardian(which of course was ALL the way at the bottom) with saheeli rai in my hand.
If i can recommend any card thats not on this list, it's Lim-Dul's Vault
Why more people don't play it in dimir builds is beyond me.You stack your deck 5 cards and 1 life at a time, AND it's an instant. I did it EOT and won on turn 5 last game. with only 4 lands in play (thank you Mana Vault lol)
July 10, 2017 1:01 p.m.
July 10, 2017 1:23 p.m.
Oh yeah, same reason i don't have Necropotence in my deck. If this were a 3 color deck, then it'd be a different story.
Let me know how it works out for you. I don't think you'll be disappointed with Lim dul's vault. The only time it's hurt me is when I've been hit for 20 or some crazy number in one turn, which rarely happens. And if it does happen, you're probably gonna lose anyway on the opponents next turn.
July 10, 2017 2:26 p.m.
hey man i was asking before about replacements for sol ring now i know this has some down sides but wat about grim monolith it taps for 3 mana like the workshop does but the only way to untap it is to pay 4 mana
July 22, 2017 1:12 p.m.
It could be good. I sometimes though don't even like Mana vault and basalt monolith honestly. Only because if you want to use it in a turn that you're not winning, it will put you back next turn if you need to untap it for the next turn after that one where you will combo off. Just some food for thought.
I don't think are any real "replacements" for sol ring.
It's a pretty cheap card. And if you've already built this decklist almost identical, then 3$ isn't much. Just saying :p
July 22, 2017 4:04 p.m.
yeah i know but at my game store they r doing like commander tournaments and sol ring and the workshop r the only 2 cards in this deck that r banned in it so im trying to figure out wat else i can add everything else is pretty much fine and i can get it all but need something other then sol ring and the workshop
July 23, 2017 1:54 a.m.
I don't know what your budget is but mox diamond, and copy artifact are good low cmc cards that can be like sol ring. Also, mirage mirror is very good in this deck.
July 31, 2017 11:09 a.m.
Question for OP or anyone who knows the rulings on this.
Originally, I thought Mycosynth Lattice + Disciple of the Vault/Reckless Fireweaver/Altar of the Brood + Saheeli Rai was a combo, but now I'm questioning it because I'm not sure if it would work the way I think it does.
Yes, i understanf that it will still work with Altar of the brood (because it only cares about permanents entering) and Disciple (because Lattice has already made that permanent an artifact), but how about Fireweaver?
Sorry for the long post, but thank you :)
I've been racking my brain on this for a little while.
July 31, 2017 1:07 p.m.
Jpegwun, kind of the wrong place to ask this, as a simple Google search would have solved this for you. Because Mycosynth Lattice is is a continuous effect, it affects all permanents entering play immediately as a state based action, the same way anthem effects immediately change a creatures stats entering play. So in short, with Lattice up, every permanent enters as an artifact, so the above infinite combo would work.
July 31, 2017 6:45 p.m.
August 19, 2017 1:06 p.m.
If you're referring to the Sharuum + Nim Deathmantle + Krark clan ironworks + Sol ring/mana vault/ mana crypt combo then yes.
However, it will be mana, unless you have Mycosynth Lattice
Also you need Krark clan, not Ashnod's altar, because you need to sacrifice the sol ring/mana vault/crypt to the Krark to get 2 mana. And you end up with 2 colorless mana floating after each loop.
August 21, 2017 10:14 a.m.
what do you think about Paradox Engine in this deck? If so, what card would you replace?
August 23, 2017 4:04 p.m.
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