Rampaging Brontodon

Rampaging Brontodon

Creature — Dinosaur

Trample

Whenever Rampaging Brontodon attacks, it gets +1/+1 until end of turn for each land you control.

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Jumpstart (JMP) Rare
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Pre-release Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Vintage Legal
Modern Legal
Highlander Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Standard Legal
Arena Legal
Leviathan Legal
Legacy Legal
Brawl Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Unformat Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

Rampaging Brontodon Discussion

MTGBurgeoning on Gruul Stompy Featuring Xenagos, God of Revels

1 week ago

Upon reading your comments:

1) I did swap out Migration Path for Skyshroud Claim. Fetching-out Stomping Ground and Cinder Glade with Skyshroud Claim feels really, really good.

2) I agree with you about Altar of Dementia. I initially failed to realize that it was included as part of the token package. Once the token package was removed, Altar of Dementia was ineffective and a waste of a card slot. Without a bunch of token creatures and Craterhoof Behemoth, Altar of Dementia is easily expendable in this deck.

3) I do like Etali, Primal Storm and am considering its inclusion in the deck. Etali, Primal Storm's attack trigger can be really powerful and add another element to our plan, as you mentioned above.

4) I don't want to be "that guy" with this deck. I do have a copy of Blightsteel Colossus for the purposes of eliminating any unfair or unfun players from the table. I once had the Savage Ventmaw and Aggravated Assault combo in this deck, but took it out. I didn't want to go infinite with this deck.

Upon perusing my collection, I did not find a copy of Bonders' Enclave. When I get one, it will replace Mossfire Valley.

I also did not have a copy of Nylea, Keen-Eyed. I was bummed-out about that, but once I acquire a copy she'll fly right into Xenagos's waiting arms!

I play-tested the following ten changes:

1) Quartzwood Crasher in and Avenger of Zendikar out.

Quartzwood Crasher made some big trampling creature tokens. Its presence was noticeable in the deck and did more in combat than Avenger of Zendikar ever did.

2) Godo, Bandit Warlord in and Chancellor of the Forge out.

This was the biggest difference for me during the initial play-testing of these changes. Godo, Bandit Warlord fetched Embercleave every time. Once, I entwined Tooth and Nail to put onto the battlefield Godo, Bandit Warlord and Worldspine Wurm. The Embercleave came into play and then was equipped to Worldspine Wurm. At combat, Xenagos, God of Revels gave Worldspine Wurm +16 +16 to enable a 32/32 trampling and double-striking beat-down. In another game, Xenagos, God of Revels was cast on turn four followed by Godo, Bandit Warlord on turn five. After he fetched Embercleave and it was equipped to him, combat ensued and Godo, Bandit Warlord got +4 +4 and haste, enabling an 8/8 trampling, double-striking and hasty attacker. Then, after the additional combat phase, Godo, Bandit Warlord attacked as a 16/16 trampling double-striker. This 48 damage knocked the opponent right out of the game. Godo, Bandit Warlord is awesome in this deck!

3) Ghalta, Primal Hunger in and Craterhoof Behemoth out.

As hoped, I was always able to cast Ghalta, Primal Hunger for a handful of mana, and often for just . With a couple of bigguns in front of him, getting Ghalta, Primal Hunger into play with Xenagos, God of Revels on the battlefield was game-ending.

4) Giant Adephage in and Living Hive out.

I did not draw Giant Adephage once. I did not tutor for it either.

5) Here's where it gets a little complicated. I failed to record a change I made to this deck list when I swapped out Malignus for Rampaging Brontodon prior to posting on tappedout. So, technically, Malignus was not in the deck and Rampaging Brontodon was. It just wasn't reflected in the deck list. As play-testing began, I decided to leave Gaea's Cradle in the deck and not make a change. However, after multiple times of putting into a play a useless Gaea's Cradle (that hurts to say!) or one that only taps for , I decided this card deserved a deck more fitting for its level of power. So, I eventually replaced Gaea's Cradle with Malignus and was happy I did. During one of the games I Malignused one of my opponents out of the game on turn five. Malignus is back!

6) Momentous Fall in and Altar of Dementia out.

I did not draw Momentous Fall once during play-testing.

7) Return of the Wildspeaker in and Comet Storm out.

I did not draw Return of the Wildspeaker once during play-testing.

8) Reap the Past in and Moldgraf Monstrosity out.

I did not draw Reap the Past once during play-testing.

9) The Great Henge in and Temporal Aperture out.

As predicted, The Great Henge is bonkers in this deck. In one game, I was able to cast The Great Henge for and then cast Ghalta, Primal Hunger for on the same turn! Having Ghalta, Primal Hunger enter the battlefield with a +1 +1 counter and drawing a card was awesome. Aside from Godo, Bandit Warlord, The Great Henge was the most noticeable game-changing addition made to the deck during this initial phase of play-testing.

10) Skyshroud Claim in and Thaumatic Compass  Flip out.

As mentioned earlier, fetching-out Stomping Ground and Cinder Glade with Skyshroud Claim felt good. It felt really, really good. These lands are unfetchable with Thaumatic Compass  Flip or Migration Path. Good suggestion!

Additionally, the overall speed of the deck was noticeable as well. I was threatening opponents by turn four or five every game.

I plan to continue play-testing until I have been able to play with all of the potential new inclusions. I appreciate your suggestions and your kind words regarding my responses. The Magic Community is important to me and it becomes stronger with positive communication. Thank you for being a part of that.

CommanderAdventures on [Upgraded][C19] Primal Genesis - Jurassic World

1 week ago

@Drengoa Yep, it's a sick deck. I just added some M21 / Jump-Start dinosaur flavor cards:

TCK_Green on TempesT's Smash face dinos

1 month ago

"Gishath Strong! Gishath Quick! Gishath gonna stomp your face!" :D

Of course WTTempesT, happy to offer what little wisdom I have :) had I known you were all part of the same playgroup I would have told you to scrap your plans, all build creature-based Mathas, Fiend Seeker decks, and watch the carnage unfold! :D (that actually sounds quite fun now that I think of it...)

Be warned, I've never built a Dinosour tribal deck so my advice might not be amazing, but I'll advise the best I can :) the first thing that strikes me about Gishath is that his ability triggers on combat damage dealt to players. That means you're incentivised to make Gishath (A) super-stronk and (B) 'quick' (i.e. unblockable) so that you flip more cards and get the biggest dinosaurs. It's also important the Gishath is (C) evasive so that he doesn't just disappear to removal when you try to attack.

Quick caveat before you start the essay below - don't see the huge wall of text as meaning there's lots to fix with your deck! It's more the case that I think as I write, and seeing as you're asking me about a deck type I've never thought about before, I've got lots more to think through than I've had for either of your friends! :) and with that...

Gishath Strong!

There's a few options here - you could buff Gishath specifically, put out some anthems to make all your dinosaurs stronger, or make his attacks do more damage. Personally, since he's already got Trample I'd go in a double-strike direction, and add cards like Duelist's Heritage, Blood Mist or Berserkers' Onslaught to go alongside your Goring Ceratops. Alternatively, since you've already got Odric, Lunarch Marshal you could just go 'keyword soup' and chuck in cards like Momentum Rumbler and Ridgetop Raptor, but that's quite clunky and doesn't really fit the theme. (Oh, Silverblade Paladin is another decent way of giving double-strike, but again, it doesn't really fit your theme.)

If we're looking at giving Gishath double strike, then it might be worth thinking of ways to buff his power by 4. 11 power is the sweet spot for a One-Hit KO by a double strike commander. For example, if you've already got Citadel Siege and Sight of the Scalelords then you could cast Gishath and kill someone on the same turn. Alternatively, Xenagos, God of Revels does this 'better', but is a little more expensive. (Theoretically this is already possible with how your deck is set up with Bellowing Aegisaur and some of your 'deal 1 damage' creatures, but it's convoluted!)

You'll note that I didn't mention Overwhelming Stampede above. In my mind this is more of a 'win-more' card - great if you've already got a board established and untap with Gishath already out - but if you're in that position then chances are you're already won :) it's worth thinking how you're going to catch up if others are ahead, but I'll leave you to think about that.

The other way to get the damage through (and a way of getting super-synergy value if you have a way of giving your creatures haste) is to have ways of giving extra combat steps. Can't kill someone with combat damage in one swing? That's fine, just swing twice! I'd say the best combat-'doubler' with haste is Breath of Fury since you can move the enchantment onto some of the new dinosaurs that you're hitting, and the best without haste would be Aggravated Assault. Alternatively, if you have creatures with vigilance (e.g. Gishath), then you could go funky and use something like Godo, Bandit Warlord as your combat doubler :)

Gishath Quick!

Unblockable Gishath is good. I like the Rogue's Passage in the deck - I'd also be tempted to chuck a Key to the City in there as well :) some other great cards to consider are Glaring Spotlight which can make your whole board unblockable for 3 mana and Whispersilk Cloak, especially since it gives the bonus of 'thick skin' shroud protection. (It would mean that you couldn't target him with your own abilities and spells, so that might be something to think about.) Other things to consider are ways of giving Gishath evasion - Sky Terror works well with the keyword soup route, though it's a jump through a hoop which the Majestic Heliopterus you already have in the deck doesn't require. Another alternative I'd suggest is Skyshaper - I quite like this as a one-time way to give your board flying, not to mention that it's free to sacrifice and can therefore be used the turn Gishath is played!

One question to ask is 'how many sources of unblockable or other evasion do I need in my deck'. Let's say that you're preparing to play Gishath on T8 and want to have your unblockable ready to go by T7. Assuming that you've not drawn any extra cards, then during T7 you'll have seen 15/99 of the cards in your deck - more if you have any card draw. At that rate you only need 7 sources of something for it to be fairly likely to have on in hand by then. If you're optimising this then you might put more in, if you're not hugely bothered then you might have less. Personally I think Rogue's Passage, Key to the City, Glaring Spotlight and Whispersilk Cloak are enough ways to reliably get Gishath unblockable on T8-9 without needing flying/etc, but that depends on how much you want to rely on Gishath. Remember that the more non-dinosaurs you put in the deck, the less likely you are to not hit useful things with Gishath's triggers!

Gishath is king over aaaall land!

Speaking of 'how many sources to have in a deck', let's talk about your lands and ramp. The best way to be 'quicker' than your opponents is to make sure that you've got enough lands down and have ramped to your key point before they have. The standard method for number of lands in an EDH deck is to start ~40 lands and cut 1 land for every 3 other sources of mana. You have ~10 pieces of accelleration, so I'd estimate ~37 lands, especially since you're trying to get up to 8 mana to cast your commander. 34 lands is definitely too low when your average CMC is ~4!

Further, 15 of your lands enter tapped. I said this to one of your friends, but as much as you want to ensure having the right coloured mana available at the right time you should be careful of adding too many tap-lands. Think of it this way - if all of your lands were tap-lands, then every turn you'd have one less mana than everyone else and would be 1 turn behind with every spell. The stats show that thep layer who goes first is most likely to win since they get to certain amounts of mana before the others - playing all tap-lands is like willingly cutting off a foot. 15/34 lands isn't quite the same, but it's like cutting off a couple of toes; how would you feel finally drawing a land on T10 when you've been waiting to play Gishath, only for that to be a tap-land and for someone else to win on T11 before you get a chance to untap? Yeah - don't run too many tap-lands :P

One of the great things Gishath has going for him is that his identity includes green, meaning that you have access to the best land ramp spells in the game! Well done for putting some ramp in the deck. I'd be tempted to swap out one of them for Skyshroud Claim (since it can fetch your Shock lands), and I'd also be 'tempted' to add Tempt with Discovery (always fun in multiplayer games). Also, the Ikoria Migration Path is a direct upgrade to some of the ramp spells. Either way, I'd really add some more basic lands into the deck; you barely have enough of them to ramp with, let alone play, and you could easily get blown out by an overloaded Winds of Abandon and not have any lands to actually fetch.

As for land choices themselves - as above, fewer tap-lands and more basics. You'd be surprised In most decks I'm not a huge fan of Temple of the False God, but in your deck I can see it working. I don't really like Rupture Spire either, would much prefer Path of Ancestry. You could quite easily add Spinerock Knoll in for the free hideaway spell. Oh, and Krosan Verge is a pretty good card for multicoloured decks that include white and green - it allows you to fetch the shocklands/bicycle lands to have all of your colours in one go :)

Gishath Thick-Skinned!

If we're going to make Gishath big, then we need to make sure that he doesn't just get removed straightaway. Cards like Swiftfoot Boots and Lightning Greaves are really useful here - as well as Whispersilk Cloak above - but my top pick for this category is Favor of the Mighty. It's a fairly innocuous enchantment, but it's very unlikely that anyone else will have a CMC 8+ creature when you're casting gishath, and 'protection from all colours' is a really strong ability. Another great way of protecting Gishath the turn he comes in is by casting Shielded by Faith on another creature the turn before, then moving this onto Gishath. (It doesn't protect you from targeted exile, but it would stop Gishath dieing to destructive/damaging board wipes.) A card that's a little slower but could be interesting is Shield of the Oversoul - gives indestructible, but also gives flying - which is a keyword that Gishath doesn't have naturally.

It's a little pricey (~$10?), but I highly value Asceticism as a way of protecting creatures. Not only does it stop your opponents from targeting them, it also gives you a way of getting them back if your enemies destory them with spells or in combat. Other instant options to give Gishath hexproof include Blossoming Defense and Woodcutter's Grit (which both have the benefit of buffing Gishath at the same time), or the pricier Heroic Intervention which gives hexproof and indestructible at the same time.

Gishath have many Friends!

Since Gishath basically gives you free dinosaurs, you definitely want to be putting in the biggest and best dinosaurs you can to swing for the win the turn after. However, if you're sat there with a giant board then it's quite likely that some sort of Star of Extinction will wipe out your dinosaurs before your next turn. Choosing the right dinos for your super-squad who are going to stick around is key.

Some thoughts on dinosaurs you could add:

  • Apex Altisaur - repetive great creature removal. Would highly recommend!
  • Quartzwood Crasher - new from Ikoria, this guy is really good in any decks that do lots of trampling. Add it!
  • Titanoth Rex - big tramply dinosaur, can cycle to give trample to something else
  • Rampaging Brontodon - gets big if you get to swing with it
  • Verdant Sun's Avatar - a great way of stacking a huge amount of life. Great to have if you decide to cut all of your small stuff and just go late-game instead.
  • Regal Behemoth - errata'd in 2018 to be a dinosaur instead of a lizard. A very good way of setting up the turn before casting Gishath to have extra mana left over.
  • Sun-Crowned Hunters - it's not got quite the value I'd like, but if you're going heavy into the 'damage to my own creatures' theme then this might be a good card to add
  • Snapping Sailback - as above, if you're leaning heavy into the 'damage my own creatures' theme then this could be decent to add
  • Ranging Raptors - as above, great in the 'damage my own creatures' deck
  • Atla Palani, Nest Tender - alternatively, if you decide to go heavy in the 'big dinos' direction, then Atla from C19 could be fun to have in the 99 as another way of getting big dinos out

Some thoughts on dinosaurs you could remove:

  • Cacophodon - what's it doing in the deck, other than occasionally untapping a land?
  • Draconic Disciple - I think a mana rock or ramp would be better here, the other ability is expensive enough that you have many other options to use first
  • Imperial Ceratops - depending on how agressive your playgroup is, you might find that the life gain from this doesn't really help your gameplan
  • Kinjalli's Sunwing - a great card if you're going aggro-heavy, but EDH games tend to go long and one round of creatures being tapped won't change much. How would you feel if this was the only dinosaur you find in one of Gishath's attack triggers?
  • Kinjalli's Caller - unless you're regularly playing multiple dinosaurs per turn, this is effectively a mana-rock on a creature which is easily killed (including by some of your own creatures). It also means you have to have extra white lands in your deck to try and get it out. I'd just cut this and put some land ramp or a mana rock in instead.
  • Zetalpa, Primal Dawn - if it wasn't for the keyword-soup then I'd remove Zetalpa. Most of the other elder dinosaurs are just better, but if you can reliably get Odric out then Zetalpa could work in this deck.
  • Ulvenwald Tracker - whilst I like the ability to fight your dinos against others, the fact it's a 1/1 means it dies too easily to everything (including your own stuff!). I'd much prefer something like Domri, Anarch of Bolas instead, especially since it also 'pumps' your creatures and can act as a mana rock. (Okay, it can't fight multiple creatures in a turn, but it's rare that you'll be needing to do lots of fighting at once.)

Other thoughts

As I looked through your deck I noticed lots of 'do damage when enters the battlefield' synergy and combos. I really like the look of it, and it almost feels like that's your main win-con with giant dinosaurs led by Gishath as your backup. Either way, it's a fun theme and game plan, and I'd be interested in how it turns out. A few things to think about:

  • Marauding Raptor and Polyraptor is infinite in a bad way. Since it's not a 'may', triggering this goes uncontrollably infinite unless someone has a way of breaking the chain, and according to MtG rules uncontrollable infinites results in a draw - which is a bit of a naff way to end the game if you've all been playing for an hour!
  • You don't have much white in your early game. I'd be tempted to take out some of your white lands and most of your white 1-3 CMC cards - if you can cut your early game down to 2 colours and mostly fetch to get your white, then you can also remove your need for so many tap lands. This will make your games much more consistent and faster.
  • On a related note, pay attention to the colour wheels in the corner. You currently have ~equal sources of white/red/green, even though over half of the coloured mana requirements in your deck are for green. At the moment you could quite easily end up with green spells in hand but not enough green mana to play them. Further, because green is the colour of fixing, you want more green mana so you can more easily guarantee fetching the other lands that you need when you need them later. Balance your lands for (A) when you need specific colours and (B) how much you need in total to cast the spells that are important to you (e.g. Gishath).

Lastly, some cards to consider adding:

  • Furious Rise - it's an extra Colossal Majesty, and extra card draw is always good
  • Helm of the Host - why have one Gishath when you could have two?!? You'd want to make sure to play and equip this when Gishath is already on the board otherwise it would be too big a threat for people to leave on the table. (Also, this combos as an insta-win with Godo, Bandit Warlord - though I don't know if that's a negative or a positive for you!)
  • The Great Henge - this is especially good with Gishath since all the dinos Gishath puts into play trigger the 'add a +1/+1 and draw a card', meaning that Gishath ends up drawing you a couple of cards as well as cheating out some dinos. Extra gas is always good!
  • Finale of Devastation - slightly pricey, but this could be a decent upgrade to Overwhelming Stampede down the line, allowing you to both fetch a creature and pump your board at the same time.

And some cards to perhaps remove:

  • Herald's Horn - you've only got 29/100 cards which are dinosaurs. Okay, this gets your commander out one turn earlier, but so does every mana rock. Okay, this card gives you ~0.3 extra card draw each turn, but in the turns between getting this out (~T3) and when you think the game might end (~T10) this would only 'draw' you ~2.1 extra cards. I'd take a simple mana-rock over this since it gives you the flexibility to cast any of your 30 non-creature spells, which Herald's Horn wouldn't help you with at all.
  • Lurking Predators is fun, but as with Herald's Horn - you won't hit things often, so this is mostly a 6-mana 'do nothing' or 6-mana 'get a ~4CMC creature'. The biggest benefit is that it deters people from swinging at you - especially with multiple creatures - but it doesn't feel like it helps your strategy in the same way.
  • Gaea's Blessing - what does this do for you?
  • Primal Rage - I don't think you need this in the deck. Enough of your creatures already have trample, and the rest will anyway if you had Odric out.

Final thought - this would be the ultimate flex, but if you somehow find some way to get Colossification onto Gishath during the combat step... Currently the only methods I can think of are (1) playing it on another creature then using Flicker of Fate during combat to move it to Gishath, (2) sacrificing Academy Rector during combat, (3) having it on another creature that you kill then casting Second Sunrise during combat... That's about all of the ways I can think of, let me know if you think of any more! (I guess an easier way would be to just cast it in main phase 1 and find a way to untap him. Hey ho!)

I should have gone to bed a few hours ago, but I thought I'd finish writing this before I went to bed... Little did I know how deep the rabbit hole went!

Stay safe! ^_^

PhyrexianWombat on Power Ranger Dino Thunder

10 months ago

I think you may have mixed something up... You have 8 Goreclaw and Raptor Hatchling. I assume there was meant to be 8 forests and mountains instead?

I'd like to recommend some of the non-Ixalan dinos, Marauding Raptor , Territorial Allosaurus , Apex Altisaur , Regal Behemoth , Rampaging Brontodon , Shifting Ceratops .

antny540 on Card Legalities Incorrect

1 year ago

I've come across numerous cards where it makes the deck "illegal", such as adding Mu Yanling and cards from the gift packs like Rampaging Brontodon . I've looked on WotC's sites to see if they really are illegal, and they're NOT. Well, because it's listed that they are, the deck won't come off of being a prototype and it's seriously frustrating. I dunno if someone had already addressed this.

Ah, and while I'm here, how about updating what's legal in Standard lol. I used to make Standard decks and they have far since rotated out... Yet it still says it's Standard Legal.

babushkasara on M19 Gift Pack Legality

1 year ago

Angelic Guardian and the other four cards from the M19 Gift Pack show up as illegal cards for a commander deck. I wasn't sure where to report this, so here we are.

Angler Turtle , Immortal Phoenix , Rampaging Brontodon , Vengeant Vampire

irseven on

1 year ago

The reason I put that much in proliferate was to hopefully ult Nissa the turn after she came out as to limit the chance she gets removed, but thanks for pointing out the lack of manna sinks. I opted to keep Courage in Crisis because it can at least make Arboreal Grazer a better blocker if I get a bad hand but best case it can max Nissa and plus a big creature for 2. I realized it made sense to put in Rampaging Brontodon because it benefits from lands and normally is a bit too pricey. I feel like it is light on removal though, probably something I can fix with the side board, but I am currently not good at figuring that out.

selfhighfive on Grimlock- Cadillacs and Dinosaurs EDH

1 year ago

Testing out Rampaging Brontodon in place of Thundering Spineback . I'm currently trying to decide if this is a deck that wants to go more tall (in which case Charging Tuskodon could be added) or wide ( Crested Herdcaller gets a consideration then). Grimlock's front promotes going wide while the back wants to go tall. I feel like a lot of other tribes are much better than dinosaurs at going wide, and so Thundering Spineback is taking a back seat to the very large Rampaging Brontodon for now.

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