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Format | Legality |
1v1 Commander | Legal |
Archenemy | Legal |
Arena | Legal |
Block Constructed | Legal |
Canadian Highlander | Legal |
Casual | Legal |
Commander / EDH | Legal |
Commander: Rule 0 | Legal |
Custom | Legal |
Duel Commander | Legal |
Gladiator | Legal |
Highlander | Legal |
Historic | Legal |
Legacy | Legal |
Leviathan | Legal |
Limited | Legal |
Modern | Legal |
Oathbreaker | Legal |
Pioneer | Legal |
Planechase | Legal |
Quest Magic | Legal |
Vanguard | Legal |
Vintage | Legal |
Rules Q&A
Poison-Tip Archer
Creature — Elf Archer
Reach (This creature can block creatures with flying.)
Deathtouch (Any amount of damage this dealt to a creature is enough to destroy it.)
Whenever another creature dies (is put into the graveyard from the battlefield, tokens enter the graveyard before ceasing to exist), each opponent loses 1 life.
CickNason on Prosshy Prossh
2 weeks ago
I would add more mana dorks: Ignoble Hierarch adds Jund colors and gives exalted as a bonus Deathrite Shaman acts as graveyard hate and can drain/gain at instant speed on on top of exiling any lands from anyone's graveyard for mana of any color also at instant speed. Delighted Halfling adds colorless or any color for legendary creatures and makes them uncounterable.
I would also add more aristocrat/sacrifice effects: Korvold, Fae-Cursed King crazy draw engine with sac synergy and a potential one-shot kill if he gets big enough Mahadi, Emporium Master generates treasures EOT based on how many creatures died, setting you up for big plays in the coming turns Pitiless Plunderer generates treasures whenever another creature you control dies immediately Chatterfang, Squirrel General basically a 3 mana Parallel Lives. Goes infinite with Pitiless Plunderer 1.Activate Chatterfang by paying b and sacrificing two other Squirrels. 2.The Squirrels die, triggering Pitiless Plunderer twice, creating two Treasure tokens and two 1/1 Squirrel tokens. 3.Activate a Treasure token by tapping and sacrificing it, adding b. 4.Repeat. 5.Resolve all Chatterfang abilities, causing any number of target creatures to get +2/-2 until end of turn any number of times. This gives you: Infinite colored mana. Infinite death triggers. Infinite ETB. Infinite LTB. Infinite sacrifice triggers. Infinite Treasure tokens. Reduce all opponents' creatures to 0 toughness.
Some pay off for sacrificing Mirkwood Bats, Blood Artist, Garna, Bloodfist of Keld & Poison-Tip Archer are good win condition for infinite sac outlet effects
Some better tutor effects: You can replace Diabolic Tutor for some other options below Diabolic Intent Tutor for 2 mana for any card with an additional sac requirement for sac effect synergies Demonic Tutor The OG best tutor Diabolic Revelation You wanna be cheeky? If you have big mana you can dump it all to grab multiple pieces to win the game
Some ramp effects: Cultivate & Kodama's Reach puts one to hand one to battlefield Nature's Lore & Three Visits puts any forest card onto the battlefield Entish Restoration is a new card that is better than harrow because you sacrifice a land on the resolution of the spell rather than paying the additional cost upfront, which makes it more safe from a feels-bad counterspells which puts you down a land. If you have a big enough creature you get 3 basics to the field all at instant speed as well. Nissa, Vastwood Seer  Flip is a pet card of mine which allows you to search for a basic and when you have 7 lands she flips and generate lands and card draw for pretty much free. Oracle of Mul Daya Allows you to play an additonal land every turn and allows to play them off the top of your library. If you dont see a card you like you can shuffle it away with a fetch land to try to get another off the top.
Better Lands: Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth & Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth are must includes allowing all your lands tap for B/G respectively in addition to your other colors. The pain lands Llanowar Wastes, Karplusan Forest & Sulfurous Springs are cheap dual lands that give you all your colors The reveal lands Game Trail, Foreboding Ruins & Necroblossom Snarl are also good cheaper options which give you dual colors The shocklands Blood Crypt, Overgrown Tomb & Stomping Ground are fetchable and come into play untapped for a measley 2 life are some of the best lands in the game Verdant Catacombs is the last fetch of your color not included. I would include it if you could because it allows all three of your fetches to fetch any of your shocks or battlelands. You can also include other Fetchlands as well such as Arid Mesa, Misty Rainforest etc to fetch because they can fetch for one of the jund colors of lands at least, however, they aren't as efficient Ziatora's Proving Ground is a must include because you can fetch it out and it taps for jund as well as cycle if it comes too late. If you don't have a turn one play you can fetch it out as your best land with no plays.
Hopefully this helps
Mave on endles whispers edh
5 months ago
I read the thread when I tried to look up the rules for the cards which is kinda important for EDH Endless Whispers. (I plan on including it in Obeka)
In a 1v1 match it mostly tries to get the best creature of an opponent while donating negative effects. But in commander it becomes a game of "hot potato" where you can never be sure who gets the creatures of another player but you can decide what "garbage" you donate. That is the gist of what the deck will do in a multiplayer game.
Depending on what you give away you may want cards that can counter triggered abilities in case ove Leveler, Sky Swallower, Boldwyr Heavyweights, Eater of Days, Hunted Wumpus, Inverter of Truth, Dust Elemental, Avatar of Discord, Indentured Djinn Ebon Drake Plague Reaver Master of the Feast Tempting Wurm, the haunted one like Hunted Troll, Hunted Dragon,Hunted Dragon, Hunted Lammasu or Hunted Phantasm. Personally I would use Obeka, Brute Chronologist to counter the ETB of the creatures you play by ending the turn and then giving them to an opponent. But that only works for when the creature with negative effect enters the battlefield during your turn. But it is a great plan B in case you don't have Endless Whispers to give your opponents creatures from the list above by simply playing an 8/8 trample for then ending the turn before the trigger resolves.
Other options are Jon Irenicus, Shattered One or Blim, Comedic Genius both want your opponents to control your creatures. If you just want the effect of giving your opponents negative ETBs you can also build a deck on The Beamtown Bullies. But including Endless Whispers in this deck can backfire by giving you one of the negative effects if the creature dies. And it also is hard to let e.g. Leveler enter the battlefield to donate it through endless whispers. What helps with that may be to manifest a creature with a negative effect with e.g. Scroll of Fate. You can also manifest creatures with negative effect from your library but that is a bit more random.
To prevent getting creatures with negative effects from your opponents you to gain hexproof. There are plenty of effects giving yourself hexproof in white but I couldn't find a good commander for that. To gain hexproof yourself in a non white deck you most likely need Orbs of Warding which may be the way to go to prevent opponents to return the hot potato to you. Which is what I do in Obeka (sadly I don't have any list online of that deck).
If you like Endless Whispers to take your opponent cards however you might rather want to play Grave Betrayal or Lim-Dul the Necromancer. Overall it can still be used as a politicle tool. Especially if you donate one of the Haunted once you can build a pact with another player that you always trade them with each other to get more and more tokens.
Talking tokens it is also possible to put Endless Whispers in Grismold, the Dreadsower which gets into the direction of Dagger Burn known through Rampaging Ferocidon, Trespasser's Curse, Massacre Wurm, Slaughter Specialist and e.g. Illness in the Ranks/Virulent Plague. Whenever you donate Hunted Troll to an opponent or it enters the battlefield you let the 1/1 faeris directly die causing Grismold to trigger and also cards like Poison-Tip Archer.
It is also possible to play with effects like Plaguecrafter, Abyssal Gorestalker, Gravelighter. The player who gets the creature has to sacrifice one creature less and choses who sacrifice one creature less the next turn. But as long as you profit from death triggers via e.g. enchantments or artifacts you will profit most from your favourite card.
I also like Rakdos the Defiler to use Endless Whisper. After all one can donate some negative effects and if the opponent sacrifices creatures they have to donate them to someone else. Altough that also works better in 1v1.
I hope the explanation helps to find the right deck to play Endless Whispers in Commander.
Crow_Umbra on Smeagol will guide you | **Primer v2.0**
7 months ago
Hi there, thank you for reaching out. I hope my suggestions will be helpful, but here are some things I noticed when I took a look at your deck:
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I know that your commander can steal opponents' lands, but I think you are kind of low on your own land count. Personally, I would suggest bumping up to 35-36, especially since your average cmc is closer to 3.
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I think you can cut Voracious Fell Beast all together, or replace it with something like Fleshbag Marauder, Plaguecrafter, or Merciless Executioner for a cheaper version of a similar effect.
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Gnawing Vermin can likely be replaced by a ramp spell like Three Visits, Nature's Lore, Farseek, or Rampant Growth. Its effect isn't super impactful, even as a sacrifice target.
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You can probably swap out Fall of Gil-galad and Oath of the Grey Host for a couple more effects that let you sacrifice your own creatures like Ashnod's Altar, Plumb the Forbidden, Yahenni, Undying Partisan, Yawgmoth, Thran Physician, or Phyrexian Altar, depending on your budget.
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I would recommend swapping out Rampaging Brontodon with Tireless Provisioner, Scute Swarm, or Tireless Tracker. All are lower on the mana curve, and still work with the landfall stuff you want to do.
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Depending on your budget, you can likely swap Butcher of Malakir out for Bastion of Remembrance, Poison-Tip Archer, Grave Pact, or Dictate of Erebos. The enchantments are a bit more resistant to removal and board wipes than creatures, and all options are lower on your mana curve to come down sooner.
If you haven't already, I would recommend checking out EDHREC's page on Smeagol, Helpful Guide, here are the pages for a Sacrifice themed deck and a more Landfall focused deck. These pages can give you an idea of which effects overlap between the two strats, and what might be within your budget.
I hope these suggestions were helpful.
Balvron on Green/Black toxic/proliferate need recommendations
10 months ago
Azoth2099 what do you think of Blightsteel Colossus Spinebiter Phyrexian Swarmlord Runic Armasaur as adds to the deck?
also regarding creatures to keep: Blightbelly Rat Blightwidow Bloated Contaminator Branchblight Stalker Cankerbloom Fynn, the Fangbearer God-Eternal Rhonas Hand of the Praetors Hooded Blightfang Ichor Rats Ichorspit Basilisk Necrogen Rotpriest Pestilent Syphoner Phyrexian Hydra Poison-Tip Archer Scheming Aspirant Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon Thalia and The Gitrog Monster Toxic Nim Tyrranax Atrocity Tyrranax Rex Venomous Brutalizer Verdant Sun's Avatar Whispering Specter Evolution Sage Norn's Choirmaster Raven Guild Master Tekuthal, Inquiry Dominus
cutting Bortuk Bonerattle; Copper Longlegs; Deathmist Raptor; Ezzaroot Channeler; Goreclaw, Terror of Qal Sisma; Ravenous Sailback; Shifting Ceratops; Topiary Stomper; Tranquil Frillback; Faceless Devourer; Mage Hunter; Spiteful Returned; Suq'Ata Assassin. probably could do with a few more creature cuts, especially if I want to throw some of the planeswalkers I found for the maybe board in there.
DemonDragonJ on Reap what is Sown
1 year ago
I have replaced Bloodgift Demon and Rune-Scarred Demon with Poison-Tip Archer and Sidisi, Undead Vizier, which reduced the average converted mana cost of this deck from 4.02 to 3.97, which is very impressive, because, while the demons are both amazing creatures, the latter two creatures have better synergy with the deck, as I have many ways to make the archer's ability trigger, and I can sacrifice Sidisi to her own ability and then reanimate her, thus allowing me to use her ability multiple times.
planetchaser on Nemata
1 year ago
from what we played recently i think you need more consistent saproling generation for example Sporemound for landfall tokens, Evolution Sage also for landfall tokens and proliferating all the spore counters on the other creatures because waiting for three turns is a bit of a stretch, and maybe even Jade Mage or Sprout Swarm if you have open mana before the start of your turn. You may also want to invest in sacrifice payoffs like Zulaport Cutthroat or Poison-Tip Archer, who both work like Slimefoot, the Stowaway but without the saproling generation if the idea is to feed Nemata, Primeval Warden
ambeault on The Chatterfang Aristocracy
1 year ago
Also consider Poison-Tip Archer for your life loss goodness
Fuzzy003 on Death to Tokens
1 year ago
Have you also considered Poison-Tip Archer to hit all opponents at once and Akroan Horse for some continual spawn?
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